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Because so much of the network was up the spout today, I ended up
changing at Waterloo to catch a northbound Bakerloo Line service to
Charing Cross.

Is it my imagination, or are the two tunnels one on top of the other at
Waterloo? And where else on the network does this apply?
--
Annabel Smyth
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
Website updated 9 May 2004

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Annabel Smyth wrote in
:

Because so much of the network was up the spout today, I ended up
changing at Waterloo to catch a northbound Bakerloo Line service to
Charing Cross.

Is it my imagination, or are the two tunnels one on top of the other at
Waterloo? And where else on the network does this apply?


They are on top of each other. The other place that I know of is Baker
Street, for both the Jub & Bakerloo, only because I use it everyday. I'm
sure ther are others - possibly Regents Park.

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In message , Annabel Smyth
writes
Because so much of the network was up the spout today, I ended up
changing at Waterloo to catch a northbound Bakerloo Line service to
Charing Cross.

Is it my imagination, or are the two tunnels one on top of the other at
Waterloo?

Yes they are.

And where else on the network does this apply?

There are several on the centre portions of the Central Line.
--
Roland Perry

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In article , Annabel Smyth
writes
Is it my imagination, or are the two tunnels one on top of the other at
Waterloo? And where else on the network does this apply?

Several places. The layout tables in CULG show them.

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"Annabel Smyth" wrote in message

Because so much of the network was up the spout today, I ended up
changing at Waterloo to catch a northbound Bakerloo Line service to
Charing Cross.

Is it my imagination, or are the two tunnels one on top of the other
at Waterloo? And where else on the network does this apply?

You'll find instances of this on most LU tube lines.

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Nigel Pendse wrote:

"Annabel Smyth" wrote in message


Is it my imagination, or are the two tunnels one on top of the other
at Waterloo? And where else on the network does this apply?

You'll find instances of this on most LU tube lines.

On the DLR, using the same sort of technology present in the Tardis,
presumably, there's at least one station where the two lines and their
respective platforms are exactly spatially coincident, only temporally out
of phase by several minutes.

--
Ian Tindale

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Annabel Smyth:
Is it my imagination, or are the two tunnels one on top of the other at
Waterloo? And where else on the network does this apply?

Clive Feather:
Several places. The layout tables in CULG show them.

But not for the Bakerloo at Waterloo, they don't.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto Carpe pecuniam!
--Roger L. Smith

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They're not directly on top of each other.. but almost.. they're at angle
with one above the other.

If you stand towards the front of the southbound platform you can look down
through grills/vents and see the tops of the trains arriving in the
northbound platform.

Couple of stations where they are on top of each other though is St. Pauls,
and the Jubilee at Westminster. Westminster is an amazing station
architecturally speaking!

"Annabel Smyth" wrote in message
...
Because so much of the network was up the spout today, I ended up
changing at Waterloo to catch a northbound Bakerloo Line service to
Charing Cross.

Is it my imagination, or are the two tunnels one on top of the other at
Waterloo? And where else on the network does this apply?
--
Annabel Smyth
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
Website updated 9 May 2004

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"Geoff Marshall" wrote in message
...
They're not directly on top of each other.. but almost.. they're at angle
with one above the other.


The pedestrian tunnel to the Southbound Bakerloo platform always feels very
strange, as you can see the platform level ahead of you, and go up a very
short flight of steps to get there from the end of the tunnel.

I believe this is unique on the system.

BTN

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Annabel Smyth wrote:
Because so much of the network was up the spout today, I ended up
changing at Waterloo to catch a northbound Bakerloo Line service to
Charing Cross.

Is it my imagination, or are the two tunnels one on top of the other at
Waterloo? And where else on the network does this apply?

As other posters have mentioned - lots of places! The one I'm most
familiar with is South Kensington. There seems to be a very annoying
passenger flow to/from the Piccadilly platforms there - they are both on
the right as you are descend, and you have to cut across everyone
leaving the westbound in order to get to the eastbound platforms.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

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Ian Tindale wrote in message ...
On the DLR, using the same sort of technology present in the Tardis,
presumably, there's at least one station where the two lines and their
respective platforms are exactly spatially coincident, only temporally out
of phase by several minutes.

I presume you mean Stratford, but as that's a terminus I don't think
it counts.

On the other hand, Tramlink has a couple of Tardis stations: Birkbeck
and Beckenham Road. Birkbeck, of course, is a Tardis station for
Network Rail as well...

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Alistair Bell wrote:

Ian Tindale wrote in message
...
On the DLR, using the same sort of technology present in the Tardis,
presumably, there's at least one station where the two lines and their
respective platforms are exactly spatially coincident, only temporally
out of phase by several minutes.

I presume you mean Stratford, but as that's a terminus I don't think
it counts.

That hub of the metropolis - Pudding Mill Lane?

--
Ian Tindale

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On Tue, 18 May 2004 at 10:01:11, Geoff Marshall
wrote:

.

Couple of stations where they are on top of each other though is St. Pauls,
and the Jubilee at Westminster. Westminster is an amazing station
architecturally speaking!

It's weird - I used it yesterday - but I don't know about "amazing".
But then, I have yet to change from District/Circle to Jubilee there;
yesterday I went in from the street.

Thanks for the answers, by the way.
--
Annabel Smyth
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
Website updated 9 May 2004

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Ian Tindale wrote:

Alistair Bell wrote:


Ian Tindale wrote in message
...

On the DLR, using the same sort of technology present in the Tardis,
presumably, there's at least one station where the two lines and their
respective platforms are exactly spatially coincident, only temporally
out of phase by several minutes.

I presume you mean Stratford, but as that's a terminus I don't think
it counts.


That hub of the metropolis - Pudding Mill Lane?

I'm afraid the lines at Pudding Mill Lane are not spatially coincident.


--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

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In article , Mark Brader
writes
Is it my imagination, or are the two tunnels one on top of the other at
Waterloo? And where else on the network does this apply?
Several places. The layout tables in CULG show them.
But not for the Bakerloo at Waterloo, they don't.

That would be because they're not vertically aligned there.

[I ought to find a notation for that sort of vertically staggered
layout.]

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Annabel Smyth wrote:
Is it my imagination, or are the two tunnels one on top of the other at
Waterloo? And where else on the network does this apply?

Clive Feather and I (Mark Brader) then wrote:
Several places. The layout tables in CULG show them.
But not for the Bakerloo at Waterloo, they don't.
That would be because they're not vertically aligned there.

However, other people answered Annabel's query "yes". So how exactly
*are* they aligned?
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "Men! Give them enough rope and they'll dig
| their own grave." -- EARTH GIRLS ARE EASY

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In message , Mark Brader
writes
That would be because they're not vertically aligned there.

However, other people answered Annabel's query "yes". So how exactly
*are* they aligned?

One is above the other, and where you normally enter the platforms from
the side passage it feels as if one is directly above the other.
However, one or both of the platforms has a curve [1] and so it's quite
conceivable that they aren't totally one above the other for the whole
length.

So it really comes down to what "vertically aligned" means.

[1] I'm pretty sure the northbound bends significantly anticlockwise.
--
Roland Perry

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I thought of another one ('cause I went through it yesterday) - Oval! The
northbound tunnel sits directly on top of the southbound one.

Westminster? Yeah.. change to or from the Jubilee and you'll see what I
mean. It's like being on the Death Star. (Not that i've actually ever been
on the Death Star, but you know what I mean...)


"Geoff Marshall" wrote in message
...
They're not directly on top of each other.. but almost.. they're at angle
with one above the other.

If you stand towards the front of the southbound platform you can look
down
through grills/vents and see the tops of the trains arriving in the
northbound platform.

Couple of stations where they are on top of each other though is St.
Pauls,
and the Jubilee at Westminster. Westminster is an amazing station
architecturally speaking!

"Annabel Smyth" wrote in message
...
Because so much of the network was up the spout today, I ended up
changing at Waterloo to catch a northbound Bakerloo Line service to
Charing Cross.

Is it my imagination, or are the two tunnels one on top of the other at
Waterloo? And where else on the network does this apply?
--
Annabel Smyth

http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
Website updated 9 May 2004

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"Alistair Bell" wrote in message
om...
Ian Tindale wrote in message
...

there's at least one station where the two lines and their
respective platforms are exactly spatially coincident,
only temporally out of phase by several minutes.

Tramlink has a couple of Tardis stations:
Birkbeck and Beckenham Road. Birkbeck, of
course, is a Tardis station for Network Rail as well...

The only real tardis station in Britain is Ware, where (!) the otherwise
entirely double track line becomes single track just for the length of the
platform.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
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That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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[1] I'm pretty sure the northbound bends significantly anticlockwise.

It [NB] is straight on the entrance to Warty-loo until approximately
half-way down, then it swings left towards the tunnel mouth. The SB is not
*directly* beneath the NB, but slightly offset - and takes more of an arc -
until roughly the front third of the train is "straight", the rear
two-thirds are "bent" :)

This is from daily personal observations only - and I'm willing to be
corrected

M

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"Ben Nunn" wrote in message
...

The pedestrian tunnel to the Southbound Bakerloo platform always feels
very
strange, as you can see the platform level ahead of you, and go up a very
short flight of steps to get there from the end of the tunnel.

*Which* pedestrian tunnel? Are you implying that there is a subway where
you can see both NB and SB simultaneously at Waterloo?

I believe this is unique on the system.

Possibly .. Clive?

M

:)

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M J Forbes wrote:


It [NB] is straight on the entrance to Warty-loo until approximately
half-way down, then it swings left towards the tunnel mouth.

That's a relief!! If it didn't there'd be a right mess!

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It [NB] is straight on the entrance to Warty-loo until approximately
half-way down, then it swings left towards the tunnel mouth.

That's a relief!! If it didn't there'd be a right mess!

Ok :)

I think you knew what I meant ...

M

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M J Forbes wrote:
It [NB] is straight on the entrance to Warty-loo until approximately
half-way down, then it swings left towards the tunnel mouth.

That's a relief!! If it didn't there'd be a right mess!

Ok :)

I think you knew what I meant ...


;)

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In article , Mark Brader
writes
Is it my imagination, or are the two tunnels one on top of the other at
Waterloo? And where else on the network does this apply?
Several places. The layout tables in CULG show them.
But not for the Bakerloo at Waterloo, they don't.
That would be because they're not vertically aligned there.
However, other people answered Annabel's query "yes". So how exactly
*are* they aligned?

I finally had a chance to check yesterday. To the best of my ability to
judge, they are *not* aligned vertically; rather, the passageways to the
northbound platforms pass under the southbound. In other words, the
layout is like this from the (south) side:

______
/ \
/ \
/ SB \______
______ \ \
/ \ \ P __\____
/ \ \_____________/
/ NB \_____________/\ S
\ \______
\ P /
\________________________/

NB and SB are the platform tunnels, P are linking passageways, and S are
stairways - up to the southbound and down to the northbound. The two
passageways are not vertically aligned; at each place, the lower (NB)
ones are south of the upper (SB) ones.

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In article wF8rc.554$4O6.92@newsfe5-win, M J Forbes
writes
*Which* pedestrian tunnel? Are you implying that there is a subway where
you can see both NB and SB simultaneously at Waterloo?

I checked - there is no point where you can see both platforms at once.

I believe this is unique on the system.
Possibly .. Clive?

Nowhere immediately springs to mind, but that doesn't mean there isn't
anywhere. Possibly one of the stations on the Northern or Central where
the tunnels are almost vertically aligned.

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