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[email protected] December 10th 19 11:32 AM

378s refresh
 
On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 21:30:42 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 12:27:01 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:11:10 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:17:23 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:12:37 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:01:42 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
wrote:

On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:04:09 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

Seems like the Overground 378s are having a refresh. New seat

moquettes
and
a
slightly different external paint/vinyl job. Looks quite nice.

How old are they?

There were several orders, so the ages vary. The oldest carriages have
been in service just over 10 years, the youngest only four.

A rare example of a decent train - looks nice inside and out, comfortable


and

with decent acceleration (when the drivers can be bothered). Naturally

this

situration couldn't last so we now have the fugly, expensive and late

710s.


Why do you think that Aventras are expensive?

Lost revenue for TfL on the Goblin, having to pay to keep the diesels a
bit longer and modify some 378s to run on it. I know Bombardier coughed up


some cash but I bet it doesn't cover everything.

So, you have no idea of what the trains cost?


I was talking overall cost, but I can google the price per unit if that will
make you happy.


Has it occurred to you that the late delivery of the 710s probably saved
TfL money? Think about it.


The Goblin electrification was finished before they showed up so if you're
thinking that not having them delivered on time didn't matter and getting
a refund from Bombadier was a nice bonus I'm not convinced especially given
they weren't just being built for the Goblin.


Recliner[_4_] December 10th 19 11:51 AM

378s refresh
 
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 12:32:37 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 21:30:42 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 12:27:01 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:11:10 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:17:23 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:12:37 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:01:42 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
wrote:

On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:04:09 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

Seems like the Overground 378s are having a refresh. New seat

moquettes
and
a
slightly different external paint/vinyl job. Looks quite nice.

How old are they?

There were several orders, so the ages vary. The oldest carriages have
been in service just over 10 years, the youngest only four.

A rare example of a decent train - looks nice inside and out, comfortable


and

with decent acceleration (when the drivers can be bothered). Naturally

this

situration couldn't last so we now have the fugly, expensive and late

710s.


Why do you think that Aventras are expensive?

Lost revenue for TfL on the Goblin, having to pay to keep the diesels a
bit longer and modify some 378s to run on it. I know Bombardier coughed up


some cash but I bet it doesn't cover everything.

So, you have no idea of what the trains cost?

I was talking overall cost, but I can google the price per unit if that will
make you happy.


Has it occurred to you that the late delivery of the 710s probably saved
TfL money? Think about it.


The Goblin electrification was finished before they showed up so if you're
thinking that not having them delivered on time didn't matter and getting
a refund from Bombadier was a nice bonus I'm not convinced especially given
they weren't just being built for the Goblin.


Think harder...

[email protected] December 10th 19 12:09 PM

378s refresh
 
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 12:51:28 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 12:32:37 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 21:30:42 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 12:27:01 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:11:10 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:17:23 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:12:37 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:01:42 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
wrote:

On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:04:09 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

Seems like the Overground 378s are having a refresh. New seat
moquettes
and
a
slightly different external paint/vinyl job. Looks quite nice.

How old are they?

There were several orders, so the ages vary. The oldest carriages have


been in service just over 10 years, the youngest only four.

A rare example of a decent train - looks nice inside and out,

comfortable

and

with decent acceleration (when the drivers can be bothered). Naturally
this

situration couldn't last so we now have the fugly, expensive and late
710s.


Why do you think that Aventras are expensive?

Lost revenue for TfL on the Goblin, having to pay to keep the diesels a
bit longer and modify some 378s to run on it. I know Bombardier coughed

up

some cash but I bet it doesn't cover everything.

So, you have no idea of what the trains cost?

I was talking overall cost, but I can google the price per unit if that

will
make you happy.

Has it occurred to you that the late delivery of the 710s probably saved
TfL money? Think about it.


The Goblin electrification was finished before they showed up so if you're
thinking that not having them delivered on time didn't matter and getting
a refund from Bombadier was a nice bonus I'm not convinced especially given
they weren't just being built for the Goblin.


Think harder...


Whatever. When you've actually thought of something let me know.


Recliner[_4_] December 10th 19 12:43 PM

378s refresh
 
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 13:09:51 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 12:51:28 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 12:32:37 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 21:30:42 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 12:27:01 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:11:10 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:17:23 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:12:37 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:01:42 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
wrote:

On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:04:09 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

Seems like the Overground 378s are having a refresh. New seat
moquettes
and
a
slightly different external paint/vinyl job. Looks quite nice.

How old are they?

There were several orders, so the ages vary. The oldest carriages have


been in service just over 10 years, the youngest only four.

A rare example of a decent train - looks nice inside and out,

comfortable

and

with decent acceleration (when the drivers can be bothered). Naturally
this

situration couldn't last so we now have the fugly, expensive and late
710s.


Why do you think that Aventras are expensive?

Lost revenue for TfL on the Goblin, having to pay to keep the diesels a
bit longer and modify some 378s to run on it. I know Bombardier coughed

up

some cash but I bet it doesn't cover everything.

So, you have no idea of what the trains cost?

I was talking overall cost, but I can google the price per unit if that

will
make you happy.

Has it occurred to you that the late delivery of the 710s probably saved
TfL money? Think about it.

The Goblin electrification was finished before they showed up so if you're
thinking that not having them delivered on time didn't matter and getting
a refund from Bombadier was a nice bonus I'm not convinced especially given
they weren't just being built for the Goblin.


Think harder...


Whatever. When you've actually thought of something let me know.


You really need to learn to think.

I'm not going to give you the answer on a plate, but I'll give you one
big hint: it would have been very embarrassing for TfL if the 710s had
turned up on time.

[email protected] December 10th 19 02:28 PM

378s refresh
 
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 13:43:19 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 13:09:51 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
Whatever. When you've actually thought of something let me know.


You really need to learn to think.

I'm not going to give you the answer on a plate, but I'll give you one
big hint: it would have been very embarrassing for TfL if the 710s had
turned up on time.


Would it? Oh ok, whatever you say.


Recliner[_4_] December 12th 19 11:52 AM

378s refresh
 
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 15:28:03 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 13:43:19 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 13:09:51 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:
Whatever. When you've actually thought of something let me know.


You really need to learn to think.

I'm not going to give you the answer on a plate, but I'll give you one
big hint: it would have been very embarrassing for TfL if the 710s had
turned up on time.


Would it? Oh ok, whatever you say.


Well, you did pretty well on that complaint: you complained of three
things, one of which was actually true. 33% is a big improvement on
your normal strike rate.


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