378s refresh
 

Seems like the Overground 378s are having a refresh. New seat moquettes and a
slightly different external paint/vinyl job. Looks quite nice.

378s refresh
 

wrote:
Seems like the Overground 378s are having a refresh. New seat moquettes and a
slightly different external paint/vinyl job. Looks quite nice.



Yes, they're giving them the same livery as the new 710s.

378s refresh
 

On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:04:09 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

Seems like the Overground 378s are having a refresh. New seat moquettes and a
slightly different external paint/vinyl job. Looks quite nice.

How old are they?

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jhk

378s refresh
 

On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:01:42 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
wrote:

On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:04:09 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

Seems like the Overground 378s are having a refresh. New seat moquettes and a
slightly different external paint/vinyl job. Looks quite nice.

How old are they?

There were several orders, so the ages vary. The oldest carriages have
been in service just over 10 years, the youngest only four.

378s refresh
 

On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:12:37 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:01:42 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
wrote:

On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:04:09 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

Seems like the Overground 378s are having a refresh. New seat moquettes and
a
slightly different external paint/vinyl job. Looks quite nice.

How old are they?

There were several orders, so the ages vary. The oldest carriages have
been in service just over 10 years, the youngest only four.

A rare example of a decent train - looks nice inside and out, comfortable and
with decent acceleration (when the drivers can be bothered). Naturally this
situration couldn't last so we now have the fugly, expensive and late 710s.

378s refresh
 

wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:12:37 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:01:42 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
wrote:

On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:04:09 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

Seems like the Overground 378s are having a refresh. New seat moquettes and
a
slightly different external paint/vinyl job. Looks quite nice.

How old are they?

There were several orders, so the ages vary. The oldest carriages have
been in service just over 10 years, the youngest only four.

A rare example of a decent train - looks nice inside and out, comfortable and
with decent acceleration (when the drivers can be bothered). Naturally this
situration couldn't last so we now have the fugly, expensive and late 710s.

Why do you think that Aventras are expensive?

378s refresh
 

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:17:23 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:12:37 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:01:42 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
wrote:

On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:04:09 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

Seems like the Overground 378s are having a refresh. New seat moquettes
and
a
slightly different external paint/vinyl job. Looks quite nice.

How old are they?

There were several orders, so the ages vary. The oldest carriages have
been in service just over 10 years, the youngest only four.

A rare example of a decent train - looks nice inside and out, comfortable and

with decent acceleration (when the drivers can be bothered). Naturally this
situration couldn't last so we now have the fugly, expensive and late 710s.

Why do you think that Aventras are expensive?

Lost revenue for TfL on the Goblin, having to pay to keep the diesels a
bit longer and modify some 378s to run on it. I know Bombardier coughed up
some cash but I bet it doesn't cover everything.

378s refresh
 

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:11:10 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:17:23 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:12:37 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:01:42 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
wrote:

On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:04:09 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

Seems like the Overground 378s are having a refresh. New seat moquettes
and
a
slightly different external paint/vinyl job. Looks quite nice.

How old are they?

There were several orders, so the ages vary. The oldest carriages have
been in service just over 10 years, the youngest only four.

A rare example of a decent train - looks nice inside and out, comfortable and

with decent acceleration (when the drivers can be bothered). Naturally this
situration couldn't last so we now have the fugly, expensive and late 710s.

Why do you think that Aventras are expensive?

Lost revenue for TfL on the Goblin, having to pay to keep the diesels a
bit longer and modify some 378s to run on it. I know Bombardier coughed up
some cash but I bet it doesn't cover everything.

So, you have no idea of what the trains cost?

378s refresh
 

On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 12:27:01 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:11:10 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:17:23 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:12:37 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:01:42 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
wrote:

On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:04:09 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

Seems like the Overground 378s are having a refresh. New seat moquettes
and
a
slightly different external paint/vinyl job. Looks quite nice.

How old are they?

There were several orders, so the ages vary. The oldest carriages have
been in service just over 10 years, the youngest only four.

A rare example of a decent train - looks nice inside and out, comfortable
and

with decent acceleration (when the drivers can be bothered). Naturally this

situration couldn't last so we now have the fugly, expensive and late 710s.


Why do you think that Aventras are expensive?

Lost revenue for TfL on the Goblin, having to pay to keep the diesels a
bit longer and modify some 378s to run on it. I know Bombardier coughed up
some cash but I bet it doesn't cover everything.

So, you have no idea of what the trains cost?

I was talking overall cost, but I can google the price per unit if that will
make you happy.

378s refresh
 

wrote:
On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 12:27:01 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:11:10 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:17:23 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:12:37 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:01:42 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
wrote:

On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:04:09 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

Seems like the Overground 378s are having a refresh. New seat moquettes
and
a
slightly different external paint/vinyl job. Looks quite nice.

How old are they?

There were several orders, so the ages vary. The oldest carriages have
been in service just over 10 years, the youngest only four.

A rare example of a decent train - looks nice inside and out, comfortable
and

with decent acceleration (when the drivers can be bothered). Naturally this

situration couldn't last so we now have the fugly, expensive and late 710s.


Why do you think that Aventras are expensive?

Lost revenue for TfL on the Goblin, having to pay to keep the diesels a
bit longer and modify some 378s to run on it. I know Bombardier coughed up
some cash but I bet it doesn't cover everything.

So, you have no idea of what the trains cost?

I was talking overall cost, but I can google the price per unit if that will
make you happy.

Has it occurred to you that the late delivery of the 710s probably saved
TfL money? Think about it.