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[email protected] December 6th 19 03:04 PM

378s refresh
 
Seems like the Overground 378s are having a refresh. New seat moquettes and a
slightly different external paint/vinyl job. Looks quite nice.


Recliner[_4_] December 6th 19 03:54 PM

378s refresh
 
wrote:
Seems like the Overground 378s are having a refresh. New seat moquettes and a
slightly different external paint/vinyl job. Looks quite nice.



Yes, they're giving them the same livery as the new 710s.


Jarle Hammen Knudsen December 8th 19 11:01 AM

378s refresh
 
On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:04:09 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

Seems like the Overground 378s are having a refresh. New seat moquettes and a
slightly different external paint/vinyl job. Looks quite nice.


How old are they?

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jhk

Recliner[_4_] December 8th 19 12:12 PM

378s refresh
 
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:01:42 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
wrote:

On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:04:09 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

Seems like the Overground 378s are having a refresh. New seat moquettes and a
slightly different external paint/vinyl job. Looks quite nice.


How old are they?


There were several orders, so the ages vary. The oldest carriages have
been in service just over 10 years, the youngest only four.

[email protected] December 9th 19 08:54 AM

378s refresh
 
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:12:37 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:01:42 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
wrote:

On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:04:09 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

Seems like the Overground 378s are having a refresh. New seat moquettes and

a
slightly different external paint/vinyl job. Looks quite nice.


How old are they?


There were several orders, so the ages vary. The oldest carriages have
been in service just over 10 years, the youngest only four.


A rare example of a decent train - looks nice inside and out, comfortable and
with decent acceleration (when the drivers can be bothered). Naturally this
situration couldn't last so we now have the fugly, expensive and late 710s.


Recliner[_4_] December 9th 19 10:17 AM

378s refresh
 
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:12:37 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:01:42 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
wrote:

On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:04:09 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

Seems like the Overground 378s are having a refresh. New seat moquettes and

a
slightly different external paint/vinyl job. Looks quite nice.

How old are they?


There were several orders, so the ages vary. The oldest carriages have
been in service just over 10 years, the youngest only four.


A rare example of a decent train - looks nice inside and out, comfortable and
with decent acceleration (when the drivers can be bothered). Naturally this
situration couldn't last so we now have the fugly, expensive and late 710s.


Why do you think that Aventras are expensive?


[email protected] December 9th 19 11:11 AM

378s refresh
 
On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:17:23 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:12:37 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:01:42 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
wrote:

On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:04:09 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

Seems like the Overground 378s are having a refresh. New seat moquettes

and
a
slightly different external paint/vinyl job. Looks quite nice.

How old are they?

There were several orders, so the ages vary. The oldest carriages have
been in service just over 10 years, the youngest only four.


A rare example of a decent train - looks nice inside and out, comfortable and


with decent acceleration (when the drivers can be bothered). Naturally this
situration couldn't last so we now have the fugly, expensive and late 710s.


Why do you think that Aventras are expensive?


Lost revenue for TfL on the Goblin, having to pay to keep the diesels a
bit longer and modify some 378s to run on it. I know Bombardier coughed up
some cash but I bet it doesn't cover everything.


Recliner[_4_] December 9th 19 11:27 AM

378s refresh
 
On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:11:10 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:17:23 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:12:37 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:01:42 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
wrote:

On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:04:09 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

Seems like the Overground 378s are having a refresh. New seat moquettes

and
a
slightly different external paint/vinyl job. Looks quite nice.

How old are they?

There were several orders, so the ages vary. The oldest carriages have
been in service just over 10 years, the youngest only four.

A rare example of a decent train - looks nice inside and out, comfortable and


with decent acceleration (when the drivers can be bothered). Naturally this
situration couldn't last so we now have the fugly, expensive and late 710s.


Why do you think that Aventras are expensive?


Lost revenue for TfL on the Goblin, having to pay to keep the diesels a
bit longer and modify some 378s to run on it. I know Bombardier coughed up
some cash but I bet it doesn't cover everything.


So, you have no idea of what the trains cost?

[email protected] December 9th 19 03:32 PM

378s refresh
 
On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 12:27:01 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:11:10 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:17:23 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:12:37 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:01:42 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
wrote:

On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:04:09 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

Seems like the Overground 378s are having a refresh. New seat moquettes
and
a
slightly different external paint/vinyl job. Looks quite nice.

How old are they?

There were several orders, so the ages vary. The oldest carriages have
been in service just over 10 years, the youngest only four.

A rare example of a decent train - looks nice inside and out, comfortable

and

with decent acceleration (when the drivers can be bothered). Naturally this


situration couldn't last so we now have the fugly, expensive and late 710s.



Why do you think that Aventras are expensive?


Lost revenue for TfL on the Goblin, having to pay to keep the diesels a
bit longer and modify some 378s to run on it. I know Bombardier coughed up
some cash but I bet it doesn't cover everything.


So, you have no idea of what the trains cost?


I was talking overall cost, but I can google the price per unit if that will
make you happy.


Recliner[_4_] December 9th 19 08:30 PM

378s refresh
 
wrote:
On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 12:27:01 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:11:10 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:17:23 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:12:37 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:01:42 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
wrote:

On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:04:09 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

Seems like the Overground 378s are having a refresh. New seat moquettes
and
a
slightly different external paint/vinyl job. Looks quite nice.

How old are they?

There were several orders, so the ages vary. The oldest carriages have
been in service just over 10 years, the youngest only four.

A rare example of a decent train - looks nice inside and out, comfortable

and

with decent acceleration (when the drivers can be bothered). Naturally this


situration couldn't last so we now have the fugly, expensive and late 710s.



Why do you think that Aventras are expensive?

Lost revenue for TfL on the Goblin, having to pay to keep the diesels a
bit longer and modify some 378s to run on it. I know Bombardier coughed up
some cash but I bet it doesn't cover everything.


So, you have no idea of what the trains cost?


I was talking overall cost, but I can google the price per unit if that will
make you happy.


Has it occurred to you that the late delivery of the 710s probably saved
TfL money? Think about it.



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