MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 18/05/2020 16:42, wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:34:18 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52708757

Some rather surprising inclusions and omissions:

I wondering if this country has lost its collective sanity. If you need to get
to work you need to get to work - telling people to avoid stations is absurd.
As for "social" distancing on public transport, give me a break. Adults should
be able to decide for themselves if they want to risk it, not have some nanny
state nonsense make everyones life difficult.

Precisely. It's like this insane business of telling people they should
wear face masks on public transport and in shops. My other half's sister
is an operating theatre manager and she says they're a waste of time for
the general public. You have to know how to put them on and take them
off, and *not* to touch or fiddle with them while they're on. Unlike the
numpty we saw behind the deli counter at one of the local stupid markets
the other day.

I'd rather believe her than some fool government spokesman, I don't
always agree with her on everything, but in medical matters I like to
think that she knows what she's talking about.


Masks worn by the public are NOT meant to protect the wearer. They're not
PPE, and they don't perform the same function as the gear that operating
theatre staff wear to protect themselves from infection. So your ohs's
comments are irrelevant in this context.

The masks that the public may choose to wear on the bus, train, plane or
shop sole purpose is to protect *other* people from the wearer's saliva,
should they be infected. So it doesn't matter in the slightest if they don
or remove them properly, and they don't need to wash them at 60°C. The
masks don't need to fit perfectly, just well enough to stop droplets of the
wearer's saliva from being sprayed around. Without a mask, a sneeze,loud
conversation or cough can spray droplets for several metres, and they'll
linger in the air; with a mask, even a home-made, two-layer, crude one, the
droplets won't get very far. And that's the only reason to wear one.

Just remember, when you wear a mask, you're saving other people from
contamination by *you*, not protecting yourself.

On 18/05/2020 23:48, Recliner wrote:
MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 18/05/2020 16:42, wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:34:18 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52708757

Some rather surprising inclusions and omissions:

I wondering if this country has lost its collective sanity. If you need to get
to work you need to get to work - telling people to avoid stations is absurd.
As for "social" distancing on public transport, give me a break. Adults should
be able to decide for themselves if they want to risk it, not have some nanny
state nonsense make everyones life difficult.

Precisely. It's like this insane business of telling people they should
wear face masks on public transport and in shops. My other half's sister
is an operating theatre manager and she says they're a waste of time for
the general public. You have to know how to put them on and take them
off, and *not* to touch or fiddle with them while they're on. Unlike the
numpty we saw behind the deli counter at one of the local stupid markets
the other day.

I'd rather believe her than some fool government spokesman, I don't
always agree with her on everything, but in medical matters I like to
think that she knows what she's talking about.


Masks worn by the public are NOT meant to protect the wearer. They're not
PPE, and they don't perform the same function as the gear that operating
theatre staff wear to protect themselves from infection. So your ohs's
comments are irrelevant in this context.

The masks that the public may choose to wear on the bus, train, plane or
shop sole purpose is to protect *other* people from the wearer's saliva,
should they be infected. So it doesn't matter in the slightest if they don
or remove them properly, and they don't need to wash them at 60°C. The
masks don't need to fit perfectly, just well enough to stop droplets of the
wearer's saliva from being sprayed around. Without a mask, a sneeze,loud
conversation or cough can spray droplets for several metres, and they'll
linger in the air; with a mask, even a home-made, two-layer, crude one, the
droplets won't get very far. And that's the only reason to wear one.

Just remember, when you wear a mask, you're saving other people from
contamination by *you*, not protecting yourself.

I'd still rather believe her than you.


--
Ria in Aberdeen

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MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 18/05/2020 23:48, Recliner wrote:
MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 18/05/2020 16:42, wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:34:18 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52708757

Some rather surprising inclusions and omissions:

I wondering if this country has lost its collective sanity. If you need to get
to work you need to get to work - telling people to avoid stations is absurd.
As for "social" distancing on public transport, give me a break. Adults should
be able to decide for themselves if they want to risk it, not have some nanny
state nonsense make everyones life difficult.

Precisely. It's like this insane business of telling people they should
wear face masks on public transport and in shops. My other half's sister
is an operating theatre manager and she says they're a waste of time for
the general public. You have to know how to put them on and take them
off, and *not* to touch or fiddle with them while they're on. Unlike the
numpty we saw behind the deli counter at one of the local stupid markets
the other day.

I'd rather believe her than some fool government spokesman, I don't
always agree with her on everything, but in medical matters I like to
think that she knows what she's talking about.


Masks worn by the public are NOT meant to protect the wearer. They're not
PPE, and they don't perform the same function as the gear that operating
theatre staff wear to protect themselves from infection. So your ohs's
comments are irrelevant in this context.

The masks that the public may choose to wear on the bus, train, plane or
shop sole purpose is to protect *other* people from the wearer's saliva,
should they be infected. So it doesn't matter in the slightest if they don
or remove them properly, and they don't need to wash them at 60°C. The
masks don't need to fit perfectly, just well enough to stop droplets of the
wearer's saliva from being sprayed around. Without a mask, a sneeze,loud
conversation or cough can spray droplets for several metres, and they'll
linger in the air; with a mask, even a home-made, two-layer, crude one, the
droplets won't get very far. And that's the only reason to wear one.

Just remember, when you wear a mask, you're saving other people from
contamination by *you*, not protecting yourself.

I'd still rather believe her than you.

Of course you should believe her about PPE, and follow her advice when you
start your job as a surgeon or operating theatre sister.

I'm obviously not disagreeing with her — she's talking about PPE, I'm not.
Bus passengers don't wear PPE, but perhaps some drivers would like to. Why
don't you ask her the right question?

The government doesn't want tens of millions of members of the public
buying up medical-grade PPE, which they don't need, at the expense of
medical and care home staff, who do. But please free to leave a care home
worker unprotected while you selfishly grab the PPE they needed and you
don't.

In message , at 00:01:26 on Tue, 19
May 2020, MissRiaElaine remarked:

Masks worn by the public are NOT meant to protect the wearer.

They're not PPE, and they don't perform the same function as the gear
that operating theatre staff wear to protect themselves from
infection. So your ohs's comments are irrelevant in this context.

The masks that the public may choose to wear on the bus, train,
plane or shop sole purpose is to protect *other* people from the
wearer's saliva, should they be infected. So it doesn't matter in the
slightest if they don or remove them properly, and they don't need to
wash them at 60°C. The masks don't need to fit perfectly, just well
enough to stop droplets of the wearer's saliva from being sprayed
around. Without a mask, a sneeze,loud conversation or cough can spray
droplets for several metres, and they'll linger in the air; with a
mask, even a home-made, two-layer, crude one, the droplets won't get
very far. And that's the only reason to wear one.

Just remember, when you wear a mask, you're saving other people from
contamination by *you*, not protecting yourself.

I'd still rather believe her than you.

She's got the wrong end of the stick. You should tell her they are to
protect the rest of the world from the wearer, not the other way round.
Then it becomes clear.
--
Roland Perry

On 19/05/2020 10:24, Roland Perry wrote:

She's got the wrong end of the stick. You should tell her they are to
protect the rest of the world from the wearer, not the other way round.
Then it becomes clear.

But they don't do that either. Touching and fiddling with them
contaminates your hands, you then touch stuff, they are a waste of time
and she has not got the wrong end of the stick at all.

I have seen people wearing the exact same type of paper masks worn by
surgeons, they are, and I repeat, useless for any task in the public arena.

You carry on believing what you want, and so will I. When you show me
your medical qualifications and your expertise in disease control, I
might, just might, take notice of you.

--
Ria in Aberdeen

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On 19/05/2020 14:57, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 19/05/2020 10:24, Roland Perry wrote:

She's got the wrong end of the stick. You should tell her they are to
protect the rest of the world from the wearer, not the other way
round. Then it becomes clear.

But they don't do that either. Touching and fiddling with them
contaminates your hands, you then touch stuff, they are a waste of time
and she has not got the wrong end of the stick at all.

I have seen people wearing the exact same type of paper masks worn by
surgeons, they are, and I repeat, useless for any task in the public arena.

You carry on believing what you want, and so will I. When you show me
your medical qualifications and your expertise in disease control, I
might, just might, take notice of you.
A further point that you may not be aware of the *majority* of masks
that you see people wearing become ineffective after a few minutes due
to the moisture expelled from the wearer, and microscopic droplets will
pass straight through as if it's not there.

MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 19/05/2020 10:24, Roland Perry wrote:

She's got the wrong end of the stick. You should tell her they are to
protect the rest of the world from the wearer, not the other way round.
Then it becomes clear.

But they don't do that either. Touching and fiddling with them
contaminates your hands, you then touch stuff, they are a waste of time
and she has not got the wrong end of the stick at all.

I have seen people wearing the exact same type of paper masks worn by
surgeons, they are, and I repeat, useless for any task in the public arena.

You carry on believing what you want, and so will I. When you show me
your medical qualifications and your expertise in disease control, I
might, just might, take notice of you.


So what purpose do you think the masks worn by the public are meant to
serve?

On 19/05/2020 15:13, Recliner wrote:
So what purpose do you think the masks worn by the public are meant to
serve?


They are a placebo, pure and simple, there to *make* the wearer think
that they are safer.

On 19/05/2020 15:50, Sammi Gray-Jones wrote:
On 19/05/2020 15:13, Recliner wrote:
So what purpose do you think the masks worn by the public are meant to
serve?


They are a placebo, pure and simple, there to *make* the wearer think
that they are safer.


Of course masks make you safer. A mask over your mouth and nose isn't
going to save you if you are a nurse with people coofing into your
eyeball all day long, but if I'm in a supermarket and a virus floats
along and lands on my mask instead of my lips, it saved me and my family
from dying.

--
Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to
Jon Hassell - 1999 - Fascinoma

In message , at 15:50:21 on Tue, 19 May
2020, Sammi Gray-Jones remarked:

So what purpose do you think the masks worn by the public are meant to
serve?

They are a placebo, pure and simple, there to *make* the wearer think
that they are safer.

Rinse and repeat. They don't make the *wearer* safer.
--
Roland Perry