On 19/05/2020 10:24, Roland Perry wrote:

She's got the wrong end of the stick. You should tell her they are to
protect the rest of the world from the wearer, not the other way round.
Then it becomes clear.

But they don't do that either. Touching and fiddling with them
contaminates your hands, you then touch stuff, they are a waste of time
and she has not got the wrong end of the stick at all.

I have seen people wearing the exact same type of paper masks worn by
surgeons, they are, and I repeat, useless for any task in the public arena.

You carry on believing what you want, and so will I. When you show me
your medical qualifications and your expertise in disease control, I
might, just might, take notice of you.

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Ria in Aberdeen

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On 19/05/2020 14:57, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 19/05/2020 10:24, Roland Perry wrote:

She's got the wrong end of the stick. You should tell her they are to
protect the rest of the world from the wearer, not the other way
round. Then it becomes clear.

But they don't do that either. Touching and fiddling with them
contaminates your hands, you then touch stuff, they are a waste of time
and she has not got the wrong end of the stick at all.

I have seen people wearing the exact same type of paper masks worn by
surgeons, they are, and I repeat, useless for any task in the public arena.

You carry on believing what you want, and so will I. When you show me
your medical qualifications and your expertise in disease control, I
might, just might, take notice of you.
A further point that you may not be aware of the *majority* of masks
that you see people wearing become ineffective after a few minutes due
to the moisture expelled from the wearer, and microscopic droplets will
pass straight through as if it's not there.

MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 19/05/2020 10:24, Roland Perry wrote:

She's got the wrong end of the stick. You should tell her they are to
protect the rest of the world from the wearer, not the other way round.
Then it becomes clear.

But they don't do that either. Touching and fiddling with them
contaminates your hands, you then touch stuff, they are a waste of time
and she has not got the wrong end of the stick at all.

I have seen people wearing the exact same type of paper masks worn by
surgeons, they are, and I repeat, useless for any task in the public arena.

You carry on believing what you want, and so will I. When you show me
your medical qualifications and your expertise in disease control, I
might, just might, take notice of you.


So what purpose do you think the masks worn by the public are meant to
serve?

On 19/05/2020 15:13, Recliner wrote:
So what purpose do you think the masks worn by the public are meant to
serve?


They are a placebo, pure and simple, there to *make* the wearer think
that they are safer.

On 19/05/2020 15:50, Sammi Gray-Jones wrote:
On 19/05/2020 15:13, Recliner wrote:
So what purpose do you think the masks worn by the public are meant to
serve?


They are a placebo, pure and simple, there to *make* the wearer think
that they are safer.


Of course masks make you safer. A mask over your mouth and nose isn't
going to save you if you are a nurse with people coofing into your
eyeball all day long, but if I'm in a supermarket and a virus floats
along and lands on my mask instead of my lips, it saved me and my family
from dying.

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On 19/05/2020 16:55, Basil Jet wrote:
On 19/05/2020 15:50, Sammi Gray-Jones wrote:
On 19/05/2020 15:13, Recliner wrote:
So what purpose do you think the masks worn by the public are meant to
serve?


They are a placebo, pure and simple, there to *make* the wearer think
that they are safer.


Of course masks make you safer. A mask over your mouth and nose isn't
going to save you if you are a nurse with people coofing into your
eyeball all day long, but if I'm in a supermarket and a virus floats
along and lands on my mask instead of my lips, it saved me and my family
from dying.

We give up. You carry on believing that. We're following the advice
given to us by a medical professional who we know and trust. You follow
what the media says and may your God go with you.


--
Ria in Aberdeen

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MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 19/05/2020 16:55, Basil Jet wrote:
On 19/05/2020 15:50, Sammi Gray-Jones wrote:
On 19/05/2020 15:13, Recliner wrote:
So what purpose do you think the masks worn by the public are meant to
serve?


They are a placebo, pure and simple, there to *make* the wearer think
that they are safer.


Of course masks make you safer. A mask over your mouth and nose isn't
going to save you if you are a nurse with people coofing into your
eyeball all day long, but if I'm in a supermarket and a virus floats
along and lands on my mask instead of my lips, it saved me and my family
from dying.

We give up. You carry on believing that. We're following the advice
given to us by a medical professional who we know and trust. You follow
what the media says and may your God go with you.

That isn't what the media says. Nobody claims that flimsy masks for the
supermarket protect the wearers — they simply provide a modest degree of
protection to others, if the wearer is an asymptomatic carrier. If wearers
nevertheless choose to believe they're self-protecting, it's up to them.

One thing I don't know is how much of a dose you need to get before you're
at any risk of catching the virus. If you're healthy and breathe in a stray
droplet, that's not enough. Indeed, I wonder if getting such weak doses
isn't actually sensible, as it amounts to a vaccine. It's now being said
that having a cold is a protection, as the body develops antibodies to a
different coronavirus which trains it to combat SARS-CoV2.

On 19/05/2020 21:40, Recliner wrote:
MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 19/05/2020 16:55, Basil Jet wrote:
On 19/05/2020 15:50, Sammi Gray-Jones wrote:
On 19/05/2020 15:13, Recliner wrote:
So what purpose do you think the masks worn by the public are meant to
serve?


They are a placebo, pure and simple, there to *make* the wearer think
that they are safer.


Of course masks make you safer. A mask over your mouth and nose isn't
going to save you if you are a nurse with people coofing into your
eyeball all day long, but if I'm in a supermarket and a virus floats
along and lands on my mask instead of my lips, it saved me and my family
from dying.

We give up. You carry on believing that. We're following the advice
given to us by a medical professional who we know and trust. You follow
what the media says and may your God go with you.

That isn't what the media says. Nobody claims that flimsy masks for the
supermarket protect the wearers — they simply provide a modest degree of
protection to others, if the wearer is an asymptomatic carrier. If wearers
nevertheless choose to believe they're self-protecting, it's up to them.

One thing I don't know is how much of a dose you need to get before you're
at any risk of catching the virus. If you're healthy and breathe in a stray
droplet, that's not enough. Indeed, I wonder if getting such weak doses
isn't actually sensible, as it amounts to a vaccine. It's now being said
that having a cold is a protection, as the body develops antibodies to a
different coronavirus which trains it to combat SARS-CoV2.


I'd still like to see your medical qualifications. If you don't have
any, shut up, you're as bad as the idiots wandering around my local
Morrisons.

I'm out of here.

--
Ria in Aberdeen

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"MissRiaElaine" wrote in message
...
On 19/05/2020 16:55, Basil Jet wrote:
On 19/05/2020 15:50, Sammi Gray-Jones wrote:
On 19/05/2020 15:13, Recliner wrote:
So what purpose do you think the masks worn by the public are meant to
serve?


They are a placebo, pure and simple, there to *make* the wearer think
that they are safer.


Of course masks make you safer. A mask over your mouth and nose isn't
going to save you if you are a nurse with people coofing into your
eyeball all day long, but if I'm in a supermarket and a virus floats
along and lands on my mask instead of my lips, it saved me and my family
from dying.

We give up. You carry on believing that. We're following the advice given
to us by a medical professional who we know and trust. You follow what the
media says and may your God go with you.


what advice is that

to wear medical grade PPE

or a cloth mask that can be bought from Amazon (or wherever)

tim



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Ria in Aberdeen

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On 19/05/2020 21:09, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 19/05/2020 16:55, Basil Jet wrote:
On 19/05/2020 15:50, Sammi Gray-Jones wrote:
On 19/05/2020 15:13, Recliner wrote:
So what purpose do you think the masks worn by the public are meant to
serve?


They are a placebo, pure and simple, there to *make* the wearer think
that they are safer.


Of course masks make you safer. A mask over your mouth and nose isn't
going to save you if you are a nurse with people coofing into your
eyeball all day long, but if I'm in a supermarket and a virus floats
along and lands on my mask instead of my lips, it saved me and my
family from dying.

We give up. You carry on believing that. We're following the advice
given to us by a medical professional who we know and trust. You follow
what the media says and may your God go with you.

The medical profession wants to keep the cost of buying their own PPE
down by reducing the public competing for it and driving prices up, so
they are hardly unbiased. It is obvious that wearing a mask makes the
wearer safer.. it would defy the laws of physics if it didn't, so you
throwing your toys out of the pram is not enough to make me change my mind.

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