Farringdon to Moorgate
 

"Another Station, Another Mile" says at...

https://youtu.be/yEiVXoalUQ0?t=580

.... that the abandoned national rail lines from Moorgate to Farringdon
might see re-use as part of a plan to increase capacity on the C/M/H
lines. Does anyone know what he means?

--
Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to
Adrian Sherwood - 2012 - Survival & Resistance

Farringdon to Moorgate
 

On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 10:13:28 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
"Another Station, Another Mile" says at...

https://youtu.be/yEiVXoalUQ0?t=580

.... that the abandoned national rail lines from Moorgate to Farringdon
might see re-use as part of a plan to increase capacity on the C/M/H
lines. Does anyone know what he means?

The general consensus is that when crossrail is eventually finished sometime
in the 22nd century, that line will be linked to the met line at farringdon
and used as sidings or maybe a terminus line. Though given how few people
are using the tube right now and TfLs cash crisis it probably won't happen
anytime soon I suspect.

Farringdon to Moorgate
 

Basil Jet wrote:

"Another Station, Another Mile" says at...

https://youtu.be/yEiVXoalUQ0?t=580

... that the abandoned national rail lines from Moorgate to Farringdon
might see re-use as part of a plan to increase capacity on the C/M/H
lines. Does anyone know what he means?

They're being converted into sidings to stable eight S7 trains, needed
because the number of such sidings was reduced when these trains replaced
the shorter C stock. They won't be used as running lines.

Farringdon to Moorgate
 

In message , at 10:13:28 on Fri, 10 Jul
2020, Basil Jet remarked:

"Another Station, Another Mile" says at...

https://youtu.be/yEiVXoalUQ0?t=580

... that the abandoned national rail lines from Moorgate to Farringdon
might see re-use as part of a plan to increase capacity on the C/M/H
lines. Does anyone know what he means?

Additional capacity from Moorgate westbound on those lines, but is that
in isolation actually required?
--
Roland Perry

Farringdon to Moorgate
 

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:13:28 on Fri, 10 Jul
2020, Basil Jet remarked:

"Another Station, Another Mile" says at...

https://youtu.be/yEiVXoalUQ0?t=580

... that the abandoned national rail lines from Moorgate to Farringdon
might see re-use as part of a plan to increase capacity on the C/M/H
lines. Does anyone know what he means?

Additional capacity from Moorgate westbound on those lines, but is that
in isolation actually required?

No, and it's not being provided. All they're doing is creating stabling for
eight Circle line trains, needed because of the loss of such sidings
elsewhere on the line when they had to be adapted for the longer S stock
trains.

Farringdon to Moorgate
 

On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 10:45:53 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:13:28 on Fri, 10 Jul
2020, Basil Jet remarked:

"Another Station, Another Mile" says at...

https://youtu.be/yEiVXoalUQ0?t=580

... that the abandoned national rail lines from Moorgate to Farringdon
might see re-use as part of a plan to increase capacity on the C/M/H
lines. Does anyone know what he means?

Additional capacity from Moorgate westbound on those lines, but is that
in isolation actually required?

No, and it's not being provided. All they're doing is creating stabling for
eight Circle line trains, needed because of the loss of such sidings
elsewhere on the line when they had to be adapted for the longer S stock
trains.

I wouldn't be surprised if they set them up as running lines just in case
of a tits up scenario east of moorgate. 4 terminus tracks is a lot more
useful than the current 2. IIRC there used to be 1 at liverpool street many
moons ago.

Farringdon to Moorgate
 

Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

"Another Station, Another Mile" says at...

https://youtu.be/yEiVXoalUQ0?t=580

... that the abandoned national rail lines from Moorgate to Farringdon
might see re-use as part of a plan to increase capacity on the C/M/H
lines. Does anyone know what he means?

They're being converted into sidings to stable eight S7 trains, needed
because the number of such sidings was reduced when these trains replaced
the shorter C stock. They won't be used as running lines.



Where have these eight trains been living for the last six years, then?


Anna Noyd-Dryver

Farringdon to Moorgate
 

On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 17:26:13 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
wrote:

Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

"Another Station, Another Mile" says at...

https://youtu.be/yEiVXoalUQ0?t=580

... that the abandoned national rail lines from Moorgate to Farringdon
might see re-use as part of a plan to increase capacity on the C/M/H
lines. Does anyone know what he means?

They're being converted into sidings to stable eight S7 trains, needed
because the number of such sidings was reduced when these trains replaced
the shorter C stock. They won't be used as running lines.



Where have these eight trains been living for the last six years, then?

IIRC "in the wrong place" in the form of being parked in less
convenient places outwith traffic hours. Siding space has been lost at
Wembley Park because S stock is too long. That accounts for 4 or 5
trains and until recently there was at least one away at any one time
for mods.

Farringdon to Moorgate
 

Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 17:26:13 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
wrote:

Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

"Another Station, Another Mile" says at...

https://youtu.be/yEiVXoalUQ0?t=580

... that the abandoned national rail lines from Moorgate to Farringdon
might see re-use as part of a plan to increase capacity on the C/M/H
lines. Does anyone know what he means?

They're being converted into sidings to stable eight S7 trains, needed
because the number of such sidings was reduced when these trains replaced
the shorter C stock. They won't be used as running lines.



Where have these eight trains been living for the last six years, then?

IIRC "in the wrong place" in the form of being parked in less
convenient places outwith traffic hours. Siding space has been lost at
Wembley Park because S stock is too long. That accounts for 4 or 5
trains and until recently there was at least one away at any one time
for mods.


I think some were also lost at Triangle sidings and Hammersmith.

Farringdon to Moorgate
 

On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 20:48:07 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 17:26:13 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
wrote:

Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

"Another Station, Another Mile" says at...

https://youtu.be/yEiVXoalUQ0?t=580

... that the abandoned national rail lines from Moorgate to Farringdon
might see re-use as part of a plan to increase capacity on the C/M/H
lines. Does anyone know what he means?

They're being converted into sidings to stable eight S7 trains, needed
because the number of such sidings was reduced when these trains replaced
the shorter C stock. They won't be used as running lines.



Where have these eight trains been living for the last six years, then?

IIRC "in the wrong place" in the form of being parked in less
convenient places outwith traffic hours. Siding space has been lost at
Wembley Park because S stock is too long. That accounts for 4 or 5
trains and until recently there was at least one away at any one time
for mods.


I think some were also lost at Triangle sidings

Yes, that definitely looks a bit less crowded now.

and Hammersmith.

Too long for the sheds until alterations made ?

Google turns up some reference to Lillie Bridge now being used for
stabling S stock.

Farringdon to Moorgate
 

Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 20:48:07 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 17:26:13 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
wrote:

Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

"Another Station, Another Mile" says at...

https://youtu.be/yEiVXoalUQ0?t=580

... that the abandoned national rail lines from Moorgate to Farringdon
might see re-use as part of a plan to increase capacity on the C/M/H
lines. Does anyone know what he means?

They're being converted into sidings to stable eight S7 trains, needed
because the number of such sidings was reduced when these trains replaced
the shorter C stock. They won't be used as running lines.



Where have these eight trains been living for the last six years, then?

IIRC "in the wrong place" in the form of being parked in less
convenient places outwith traffic hours. Siding space has been lost at
Wembley Park because S stock is too long. That accounts for 4 or 5
trains and until recently there was at least one away at any one time
for mods.


I think some were also lost at Triangle sidings

Yes, that definitely looks a bit less crowded now.

and Hammersmith.

Too long for the sheds until alterations made ?

The longer trains meant that sidings had to be reorganised, which reduced
their number.


Google turns up some reference to Lillie Bridge now being used for
stabling S stock.

Yes, I think that's the main use now for the former depot.

Farringdon to Moorgate
 

On 10/07/2020 21:48, Recliner wrote:
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 17:26:13 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
wrote:

Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

"Another Station, Another Mile" says at...

https://youtu.be/yEiVXoalUQ0?t=580

... that the abandoned national rail lines from Moorgate to Farringdon
might see re-use as part of a plan to increase capacity on the C/M/H
lines. Does anyone know what he means?

They're being converted into sidings to stable eight S7 trains, needed
because the number of such sidings was reduced when these trains replaced
the shorter C stock. They won't be used as running lines.



Where have these eight trains been living for the last six years, then?

IIRC "in the wrong place" in the form of being parked in less
convenient places outwith traffic hours. Siding space has been lost at
Wembley Park because S stock is too long. That accounts for 4 or 5
trains and until recently there was at least one away at any one time
for mods.


I think some were also lost at Triangle sidings and Hammersmith.


I didn't realise trains were lost in the Triangle as well as ships and
planes.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Farringdon to Moorgate
 

On 11/07/2020 07:42, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 10/07/2020 21:48, Recliner wrote:
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 17:26:13 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
wrote:

Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

"Another Station, Another Mile" says at...

https://youtu.be/yEiVXoalUQ0?t=580

... that the abandoned national rail lines from Moorgate to
Farringdon
might see re-use as part of a plan to increase capacity on the C/M/H
lines. Does anyone know what he means?

They're being converted into sidings to stable eight S7 trains, needed
because the number of such sidings was reduced when these trains
replaced
the shorter C stock. They won't be used as running lines.

Where have these eight trains been living for the last six years, then?

IIRC "in the wrong place" in the form of being parked in less
convenient places outwith traffic hours. Siding space has been lost at
Wembley Park because S stock is too long. That accounts for 4 or 5
trains and until recently there was at least one away at any one time
for mods.

I think some were also lost at Triangle sidings and Hammersmith.

I didn't realise trains were lost in the Triangle as well as ships and
planes.

They lost a Circle Line train for a week once.
They found it in Rickmansworth sidings.

--
Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to
Adrian Sherwood - 2012 - Survival & Resistance

Farringdon to Moorgate
 

On 11/07/2020 08:02, Basil Jet wrote:
On 11/07/2020 07:42, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 10/07/2020 21:48, Recliner wrote:
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 17:26:13 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
wrote:

Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

"Another Station, Another Mile" says at...

https://youtu.be/yEiVXoalUQ0?t=580

... that the abandoned national rail lines from Moorgate to
Farringdon
might see re-use as part of a plan to increase capacity on the C/M/H
lines. Does anyone know what he means?

They're being converted into sidings to stable eight S7 trains,
needed
because the number of such sidings was reduced when these trains
replaced
the shorter C stock. They won't be used as running lines.

Where have these eight trains been living for the last six years,
then?

IIRC "in the wrong place" in the form of being parked in less
convenient places outwith traffic hours. Siding space has been lost at
Wembley Park because S stock is too long. That accounts for 4 or 5
trains and until recently there was at least one away at any one time
for mods.

I think some were also lost at Triangle sidings and Hammersmith.

I didn't realise trains were lost in the Triangle as well as ships and
planes.

They lost a Circle Line train for a week once.
They found it in Rickmansworth sidings.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Subway_Named_Möbius

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Farringdon to Moorgate
 

In article , Basil Jet
writes
I think some were also lost at Triangle sidings and Hammersmith.
I didn't realise trains were lost in the Triangle as well as ships and
planes.
They lost a Circle Line train for a week once.
They found it in Rickmansworth sidings.

I'm told that, when trains full of scrap went into scrapyards, not all
the wagons managed to come back out.

--
Clive D.W. Feather

Farringdon to Moorgate
 

On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 16:56:45 +0100, "Clive D.W. Feather"
wrote:

In article , Basil Jet
writes
I think some were also lost at Triangle sidings and Hammersmith.
I didn't realise trains were lost in the Triangle as well as ships and
planes.
They lost a Circle Line train for a week once.
They found it in Rickmansworth sidings.

I'm told that, when trains full of scrap went into scrapyards, not all
the wagons managed to come back out.

Crewe 1998 - four locomotives, 30 wagons, 9 carriages disposed of to
heritage users ?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...s-1187721.html

ISTR some years ago there was one case in the USA involving railway
vehicles disappearing and then reappearing elsewhere after a respray
and someone being done in the UK after wagons disappeared in a scrap
yard.

Farringdon to Moorgate
 

On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 20:36:51 +0100, Charles Ellson
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 16:56:45 +0100, "Clive D.W. Feather"
wrote:

In article , Basil Jet
writes
I think some were also lost at Triangle sidings and Hammersmith.
I didn't realise trains were lost in the Triangle as well as ships and
planes.
They lost a Circle Line train for a week once.
They found it in Rickmansworth sidings.

I'm told that, when trains full of scrap went into scrapyards, not all
the wagons managed to come back out.

Crewe 1998 - four locomotives, 30 wagons, 9 carriages disposed of to
heritage users ?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...s-1187721.html

ISTR some years ago there was one case in the USA involving railway
vehicles disappearing and then reappearing elsewhere after a respray

Allegedly the La Salle & Bureau County Railroad, I'm not sure if this
case from the early 1970s refers or if it is "previous" -
https://www.ravellaw.com/opinions/ef...18170be80b5818
[Bonanno v. La Salle & Bureau County Railroad]

and someone being done in the UK after wagons disappeared in a scrap
yard.

Farringdon to Moorgate
 

On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 18:59:07 +0100
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 17:26:13 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
wrote:

Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

"Another Station, Another Mile" says at...

https://youtu.be/yEiVXoalUQ0?t=580

... that the abandoned national rail lines from Moorgate to Farringdon
might see re-use as part of a plan to increase capacity on the C/M/H
lines. Does anyone know what he means?

They're being converted into sidings to stable eight S7 trains, needed
because the number of such sidings was reduced when these trains replaced
the shorter C stock. They won't be used as running lines.



Where have these eight trains been living for the last six years, then?

IIRC "in the wrong place" in the form of being parked in less
convenient places outwith traffic hours. Siding space has been lost at
Wembley Park because S stock is too long. That accounts for 4 or 5
trains and until recently there was at least one away at any one time
for mods.

I suspect another added bonus of sidings at moorgate is that it'll be harder
for the graffiti morons to access them.

Farringdon to Moorgate
 

On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 21:41:17 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 20:48:07 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 17:26:13 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
wrote:

Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

"Another Station, Another Mile" says at...

https://youtu.be/yEiVXoalUQ0?t=580

... that the abandoned national rail lines from Moorgate to Farringdon
might see re-use as part of a plan to increase capacity on the C/M/H
lines. Does anyone know what he means?

They're being converted into sidings to stable eight S7 trains, needed
because the number of such sidings was reduced when these trains replaced

the shorter C stock. They won't be used as running lines.



Where have these eight trains been living for the last six years, then?

IIRC "in the wrong place" in the form of being parked in less
convenient places outwith traffic hours. Siding space has been lost at
Wembley Park because S stock is too long. That accounts for 4 or 5
trains and until recently there was at least one away at any one time
for mods.


I think some were also lost at Triangle sidings

Yes, that definitely looks a bit less crowded now.

and Hammersmith.

Too long for the sheds until alterations made ?

The longer trains meant that sidings had to be reorganised, which reduced
their number.


Google turns up some reference to Lillie Bridge now being used for
stabling S stock.

Yes, I think that's the main use now for the former depot.

When did become a former depot? Didn't realise it had closed.

Farringdon to Moorgate
 

wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 21:41:17 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Charles Ellson wrote:



Google turns up some reference to Lillie Bridge now being used for
stabling S stock.

Yes, I think that's the main use now for the former depot.

When did become a former depot? Didn't realise it had closed.

https://anonw.com/2019/03/24/where-has-lillie-bridge-depot-gone/

Farringdon to Moorgate
 

On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 23:03:26 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 21:41:17 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Charles Ellson wrote:



Google turns up some reference to Lillie Bridge now being used for
stabling S stock.

Yes, I think that's the main use now for the former depot.

When did become a former depot? Didn't realise it had closed.

https://anonw.com/2019/03/24/where-has-lillie-bridge-depot-gone/

I'd forgotten the exhibition centre had been knocked down. A disgraceful
act of social vandalism and one of the few things I agree with Sadiq Khan
about.

Farringdon to Moorgate
 

Basil Jet wrote:
On 11/07/2020 07:42, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 10/07/2020 21:48, Recliner wrote:
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 17:26:13 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
wrote:

Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

"Another Station, Another Mile" says at...

https://youtu.be/yEiVXoalUQ0?t=580

... that the abandoned national rail lines from Moorgate to
Farringdon
might see re-use as part of a plan to increase capacity on the C/M/H
lines. Does anyone know what he means?

They're being converted into sidings to stable eight S7 trains, needed
because the number of such sidings was reduced when these trains
replaced
the shorter C stock. They won't be used as running lines.

Where have these eight trains been living for the last six years, then?

IIRC "in the wrong place" in the form of being parked in less
convenient places outwith traffic hours. Siding space has been lost at
Wembley Park because S stock is too long. That accounts for 4 or 5
trains and until recently there was at least one away at any one time
for mods.

I think some were also lost at Triangle sidings and Hammersmith.

I didn't realise trains were lost in the Triangle as well as ships and
planes.

They lost a Circle Line train for a week once.
They found it in Rickmansworth sidings.

Perhaps they should have been searching for all those ships and planes in
Rickmansworth.

Sam

--
The entity formerly known as
Spit the dummy to reply

Farringdon to Moorgate
 

On Wed, 15 Jul 2020 10:56:21 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
wrote:

Basil Jet wrote:
On 11/07/2020 07:42, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 10/07/2020 21:48, Recliner wrote:
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 17:26:13 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
wrote:

Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

"Another Station, Another Mile" says at...

https://youtu.be/yEiVXoalUQ0?t=580

... that the abandoned national rail lines from Moorgate to
Farringdon
might see re-use as part of a plan to increase capacity on the C/M/H
lines. Does anyone know what he means?

They're being converted into sidings to stable eight S7 trains, needed
because the number of such sidings was reduced when these trains
replaced
the shorter C stock. They won't be used as running lines.

Where have these eight trains been living for the last six years, then?

IIRC "in the wrong place" in the form of being parked in less
convenient places outwith traffic hours. Siding space has been lost at
Wembley Park because S stock is too long. That accounts for 4 or 5
trains and until recently there was at least one away at any one time
for mods.

I think some were also lost at Triangle sidings and Hammersmith.

I didn't realise trains were lost in the Triangle as well as ships and
planes.

They lost a Circle Line train for a week once.
They found it in Rickmansworth sidings.

Perhaps they should have been searching for all those ships and planes in
Rickmansworth.

Aren't you thinking of the Watford Triangle ?

Farringdon to Moorgate
 

Charles Ellson wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jul 2020 10:56:21 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
wrote:

Basil Jet wrote:
On 11/07/2020 07:42, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 10/07/2020 21:48, Recliner wrote:
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 17:26:13 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
wrote:

Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

"Another Station, Another Mile" says at...

https://youtu.be/yEiVXoalUQ0?t=580

... that the abandoned national rail lines from Moorgate to
Farringdon
might see re-use as part of a plan to increase capacity on the C/M/H
lines. Does anyone know what he means?

They're being converted into sidings to stable eight S7 trains, needed
because the number of such sidings was reduced when these trains
replaced
the shorter C stock. They won't be used as running lines.

Where have these eight trains been living for the last six years, then?

IIRC "in the wrong place" in the form of being parked in less
convenient places outwith traffic hours. Siding space has been lost at
Wembley Park because S stock is too long. That accounts for 4 or 5
trains and until recently there was at least one away at any one time
for mods.

I think some were also lost at Triangle sidings and Hammersmith.

I didn't realise trains were lost in the Triangle as well as ships and
planes.

They lost a Circle Line train for a week once.
They found it in Rickmansworth sidings.

Perhaps they should have been searching for all those ships and planes in
Rickmansworth.

Aren't you thinking of the Watford Triangle ?


If it is ships and planes then Ruislip Lido could be a candidate.

GH

Farringdon to Moorgate
 

On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 22:23:48 +0100, Charles Ellson
wrote:

Where have these eight trains been living for the last six years, then?

IIRC "in the wrong place" in the form of being parked in less
convenient places outwith traffic hours. Siding space has been lost at
Wembley Park because S stock is too long. That accounts for 4 or 5
trains and until recently there was at least one away at any one time
for mods.


I think some were also lost at Triangle sidings

3 trains now - 1 District & 2 C&H. was 7 when I started there.

Yes, that definitely looks a bit less crowded now.

and Hammersmith.

Too long for the sheds until alterations made ?

Google turns up some reference to Lillie Bridge now being used for
stabling S stock.

Stabling for 12 trains after Engineers were evicted to West Ruislip.