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DLR to Thamesmead
This consultation dates from 2020 BC (Before Covid) so I'm not sure if this project is even alive now. There's a map at https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...smead-advance/ I'm mystified by the plan. Would the trains reverse at Beckton to get there? Or would Beckton have its own service and Thamesmead have its own service? Extending from Woolwich seems to make more sense - or reversing at Woolwich, since the trains actually curve around under the river to come into Woolwich from the east. This would give people in Thamesmead direct service to Woolwich and City Airport, whereas plugging them into the Beckton Branch doesn't really give them much. It would also remove the extra Thames Tunnel from the plan, so should work out cheaper. -- Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to Zero 7 - 2006 - The Garden |
DLR to Thamesmead
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 21:15:53 +0100
Basil Jet wrote: This consultation dates from 2020 BC (Before Covid) so I'm not sure if this project is even alive now. There's a map at https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...o-thamesmead-a dvance/ I'm mystified by the plan. Would the trains reverse at Beckton to get there? Or would Beckton have its own service and Thamesmead have its own service? Extending from Woolwich seems to make more sense - or reversing at Woolwich, since the trains actually curve around under the river to come into Woolwich from the east. This would give people in Thamesmead direct service to Woolwich and City Airport, whereas plugging them into the Beckton Branch doesn't really give them much. It would also remove the extra Thames Tunnel from the plan, so should work out cheaper. IMO the DLR is already too big for what it is and couldn't cope with the traffic flow even when I last commuted on it in 2014. Any further transport enhancements in that area should involve the jubilee line. |
DLR to Thamesmead
On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 13:28:36 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote: On 01/08/2020 08:31, wrote: On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 21:15:53 +0100 Basil Jet wrote: This consultation dates from 2020 BC (Before Covid) so I'm not sure if this project is even alive now. There's a map at https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...o-thamesmead-a dvance/ I'm mystified by the plan. Would the trains reverse at Beckton to get there? Or would Beckton have its own service and Thamesmead have its own service? Extending from Woolwich seems to make more sense - or reversing at Woolwich, since the trains actually curve around under the river to come into Woolwich from the east. This would give people in Thamesmead direct service to Woolwich and City Airport, whereas plugging them into the Beckton Branch doesn't really give them much. It would also remove the extra Thames Tunnel from the plan, so should work out cheaper. IMO the DLR is already too big for what it is and couldn't cope with the traffic flow even when I last commuted on it in 2014. Any further transport enhancements in that area should involve the jubilee line. Jubilee train = 875 passengers DLR triple train = 852 passengers I think the new CAF 5-car DLR trains will have a slightly greater capacity than the current 3-car DLR fleet. Or maybe you meant something else? Also, the central section of the Jubilee line was already running at max capacity. The last thing it needs is a branch to a new catchment area. |
DLR to Thamesmead
On 01/08/2020 15:29, Recliner wrote:
On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 13:28:36 +0100, Basil Jet wrote: On 01/08/2020 08:31, wrote: On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 21:15:53 +0100 Basil Jet wrote: This consultation dates from 2020 BC (Before Covid) so I'm not sure if this project is even alive now. There's a map at https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...o-thamesmead-a dvance/ I'm mystified by the plan. Would the trains reverse at Beckton to get there? Or would Beckton have its own service and Thamesmead have its own service? Extending from Woolwich seems to make more sense - or reversing at Woolwich, since the trains actually curve around under the river to come into Woolwich from the east. This would give people in Thamesmead direct service to Woolwich and City Airport, whereas plugging them into the Beckton Branch doesn't really give them much. It would also remove the extra Thames Tunnel from the plan, so should work out cheaper. IMO the DLR is already too big for what it is and couldn't cope with the traffic flow even when I last commuted on it in 2014. Any further transport enhancements in that area should involve the jubilee line. Jubilee train = 875 passengers DLR triple train = 852 passengers I think the new CAF 5-car DLR trains will have a slightly greater capacity than the current 3-car DLR fleet. Or maybe you meant something else? Also, the central section of the Jubilee line was already running at max capacity. The last thing it needs is a branch to a new catchment area. Given you can interchange from DLR to Jubilee, that's not going to help matters much. -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
DLR to Thamesmead
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 01/08/2020 15:29, Recliner wrote: On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 13:28:36 +0100, Basil Jet wrote: On 01/08/2020 08:31, wrote: On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 21:15:53 +0100 Basil Jet wrote: This consultation dates from 2020 BC (Before Covid) so I'm not sure if this project is even alive now. There's a map at https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...o-thamesmead-a dvance/ I'm mystified by the plan. Would the trains reverse at Beckton to get there? Or would Beckton have its own service and Thamesmead have its own service? Extending from Woolwich seems to make more sense - or reversing at Woolwich, since the trains actually curve around under the river to come into Woolwich from the east. This would give people in Thamesmead direct service to Woolwich and City Airport, whereas plugging them into the Beckton Branch doesn't really give them much. It would also remove the extra Thames Tunnel from the plan, so should work out cheaper. IMO the DLR is already too big for what it is and couldn't cope with the traffic flow even when I last commuted on it in 2014. Any further transport enhancements in that area should involve the jubilee line. Jubilee train = 875 passengers DLR triple train = 852 passengers I think the new CAF 5-car DLR trains will have a slightly greater capacity than the current 3-car DLR fleet. Or maybe you meant something else? Also, the central section of the Jubilee line was already running at max capacity. The last thing it needs is a branch to a new catchment area. Given you can interchange from DLR to Jubilee, that's not going to help matters much. Yes, but the DLR also interchanges with the Crossrail, GA and C2C main lines as well as the District, H&C and Central lines. Those provide better journey opportunities to most parts of central London than the crowded Jubilee. |
DLR to Thamesmead
"Recliner" wrote in message ... On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 13:28:36 +0100, Basil Jet wrote: On 01/08/2020 08:31, wrote: On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 21:15:53 +0100 Basil Jet wrote: This consultation dates from 2020 BC (Before Covid) so I'm not sure if this project is even alive now. There's a map at https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...o-thamesmead-a dvance/ I'm mystified by the plan. Would the trains reverse at Beckton to get there? Or would Beckton have its own service and Thamesmead have its own service? Extending from Woolwich seems to make more sense - or reversing at Woolwich, since the trains actually curve around under the river to come into Woolwich from the east. This would give people in Thamesmead direct service to Woolwich and City Airport, whereas plugging them into the Beckton Branch doesn't really give them much. It would also remove the extra Thames Tunnel from the plan, so should work out cheaper. IMO the DLR is already too big for what it is and couldn't cope with the traffic flow even when I last commuted on it in 2014. Any further transport enhancements in that area should involve the jubilee line. Jubilee train = 875 passengers DLR triple train = 852 passengers I think the new CAF 5-car DLR trains will have a slightly greater capacity than the current 3-car DLR fleet. Or maybe you meant something else? Also, the central section of the Jubilee line was already running at max capacity. that's irrelevant It's the loading on the part after the potential split that matters The question is "can half of the Stratford trains be diverted to the new destination without creating overcrowding" |
DLR to Thamesmead
tim... wrote:
"Recliner" wrote in message ... On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 13:28:36 +0100, Basil Jet wrote: On 01/08/2020 08:31, wrote: On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 21:15:53 +0100 Basil Jet wrote: This consultation dates from 2020 BC (Before Covid) so I'm not sure if this project is even alive now. There's a map at https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...o-thamesmead-a dvance/ I'm mystified by the plan. Would the trains reverse at Beckton to get there? Or would Beckton have its own service and Thamesmead have its own service? Extending from Woolwich seems to make more sense - or reversing at Woolwich, since the trains actually curve around under the river to come into Woolwich from the east. This would give people in Thamesmead direct service to Woolwich and City Airport, whereas plugging them into the Beckton Branch doesn't really give them much. It would also remove the extra Thames Tunnel from the plan, so should work out cheaper. IMO the DLR is already too big for what it is and couldn't cope with the traffic flow even when I last commuted on it in 2014. Any further transport enhancements in that area should involve the jubilee line. Jubilee train = 875 passengers DLR triple train = 852 passengers I think the new CAF 5-car DLR trains will have a slightly greater capacity than the current 3-car DLR fleet. Or maybe you meant something else? Also, the central section of the Jubilee line was already running at max capacity. that's irrelevant It's the loading on the part after the potential split that matters The question is "can half of the Stratford trains be diverted to the new destination without creating overcrowding" It would make the overcrowding worse on both the core and the Stratford branch. It's a non-starter. |
DLR to Thamesmead
On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 13:28:36 +0100
Basil Jet wrote: On 01/08/2020 08:31, wrote: On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 21:15:53 +0100 Basil Jet wrote: This consultation dates from 2020 BC (Before Covid) so I'm not sure if this project is even alive now. There's a map at https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...o-thamesmead-a dvance/ I'm mystified by the plan. Would the trains reverse at Beckton to get there? Or would Beckton have its own service and Thamesmead have its own service? Extending from Woolwich seems to make more sense - or reversing at Woolwich, since the trains actually curve around under the river to come into Woolwich from the east. This would give people in Thamesmead direct service to Woolwich and City Airport, whereas plugging them into the Beckton Branch doesn't really give them much. It would also remove the extra Thames Tunnel from the plan, so should work out cheaper. IMO the DLR is already too big for what it is and couldn't cope with the traffic flow even when I last commuted on it in 2014. Any further transport enhancements in that area should involve the jubilee line. Jubilee train = 875 passengers DLR triple train = 852 passengers Well for a start the transverse seating in DLR trains severly retricts the number of standees compared to a jubilee train and secondly the DLR trains trundle along at a slow to moderate speed, there are far too many stops and too many branches all cramming their trains into the central sections. |
DLR to Thamesmead
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 21:15:53 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote: This consultation dates from 2020 BC (Before Covid) so I'm not sure if this project is even alive now. There's a map at https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...smead-advance/ I'm mystified by the plan. Would the trains reverse at Beckton to get there? Or would Beckton have its own service and Thamesmead have its own service? Extending from Woolwich seems to make more sense - or reversing at Woolwich, since the trains actually curve around under the river to come into Woolwich from the east. This would give people in Thamesmead direct service to Woolwich and City Airport, whereas plugging them into the Beckton Branch doesn't really give them much. It would also remove the extra Thames Tunnel from the plan, so should work out cheaper. Will we actually need any extension in the future? |
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