On 20/10/2020 11:52, Sam Wilson wrote:
Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 19/10/2020 21:27, Sam Wilson wrote:

not matter, since many foreign-owned London flats are allegedly empty most
of the time anyway.

I know it is one of those things that "everyone knows", but has anyone
ever looked into to the extent of this? Are there huge numbers of flats
which could lower general property prices/reduce commuting/house the
homeless/facilitate more immigration (delete accoording to taste), or it
it one of those things which someone once suggested and it just stuck?

2017, so it may be out of date, and it’s the Guardian so some of our
residents here may discount it, and occupancy is mentioned in pasing,
though with a reference to an earlier report, but it does say: many London
properties are foreign owned; some of them are rarely occupied.

I would certainly be suspicious of a Guardian article if it didn't cite
verifiable sources for something like that; "many" and "some" offer a
lot of opportunities for creative handwaving.

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Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 20/10/2020 11:52, Sam Wilson wrote:
Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 19/10/2020 21:27, Sam Wilson wrote:

not matter, since many foreign-owned London flats are allegedly empty most
of the time anyway.

I know it is one of those things that "everyone knows", but has anyone
ever looked into to the extent of this? Are there huge numbers of flats
which could lower general property prices/reduce commuting/house the
homeless/facilitate more immigration (delete accoording to taste), or it
it one of those things which someone once suggested and it just stuck?

2017, so it may be out of date, and it’s the Guardian so some of our
residents here may discount it, and occupancy is mentioned in pasing,
though with a reference to an earlier report, but it does say: many London
properties are foreign owned; some of them are rarely occupied.

I would certainly be suspicious of a Guardian article if it didn't cite
verifiable sources for something like that; "many" and "some" offer a
lot of opportunities for creative handwaving.

Sorry, missing link. You may or may not be able to follow up the
references given in the text.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/13/foreign-investors-snapping-up-london-homes-suitable-for-first-time-buyers

Sam (the missing link)

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In uk.railway Sam Wilson wrote:
Sorry, missing link. You may or may not be able to follow up the
references given in the text.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/13/foreign-investors-snapping-up-london-homes-suitable-for-first-time-buyers

The report wasn't cited directly in the text, but a bit of googling key
terms and I think this is it:
https://www.london.gov.uk/moderngovm...a%20report.pdf

Theo

Theo wrote:
In uk.railway Sam Wilson wrote:
Sorry, missing link. You may or may not be able to follow up the
references given in the text.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/13/foreign-investors-snapping-up-london-homes-suitable-for-first-time-buyers

The report wasn't cited directly in the text, but a bit of googling key
terms and I think this is it:
https://www.london.gov.uk/moderngovm...a%20report.pdf

Thank you.

“Conclusion
The estimates show that the propensity to leave homes empty
or under-used in some way is greater among properties of higher values, in
prime areas of London and among overseas investors. These sales represent a
smaller portion of London’s new build housing market, so in absolute terms
UK and overseas owners hold similar numbers of homes that are under-used or
under-occupied.�

Sam

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Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 19/10/2020 21:27, Sam Wilson wrote:

not matter, since many foreign-owned London flats are allegedly empty most
of the time anyway.

I know it is one of those things that "everyone knows", but has anyone
ever looked into to the extent of this? Are there huge numbers of flats
which could lower general property prices/reduce commuting/house the
homeless/facilitate more immigration (delete accoording to taste), or it
it one of those things which someone once suggested and it just stuck?



Someone should write to R4 "More or Less " and ask them


Anna Noyd-Dryver

"Recliner" wrote in message
...

Yes, I'm talking about the unloved class 458 fleet. I'd not travelled in
them before, so I felt I should give them a try
while they're still in service. I found that they're surprisingly
comfortable — I wonder if Ian Walmsley managed to
sneak comfortable seats in when the 458s and 460s were being refurbished
to become the 458/5s?


I commuted on the 460s for a while when they were new. The seating was their
only redeeming feature. Otherwise the interior lighting was very harsh, the
announcements and door chimes stupidly loud, and the air-conditioning
extremely noisy. At least the journey only lasted 30 minutes if you were
lucky.

I think the 458s were essentially the same train with another stupid cab
end - the original end doors had to be locked OOU when units ran in
multiple - and nasty high-density seating.

I also used the latest version of the 458s fairly frequently for a while
and, as far as I could tell, the 460 seating was retained when the cars were
incorporated into the fleet so maybe you were just lucky.

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DAS

D A Stocks wrote:
"Recliner" wrote in message
...

Yes, I'm talking about the unloved class 458 fleet. I'd not travelled in
them before, so I felt I should give them a try
while they're still in service. I found that they're surprisingly
comfortable — I wonder if Ian Walmsley managed to
sneak comfortable seats in when the 458s and 460s were being refurbished
to become the 458/5s?


I commuted on the 460s for a while when they were new. The seating was their
only redeeming feature. Otherwise the interior lighting was very harsh, the
announcements and door chimes stupidly loud, and the air-conditioning
extremely noisy. At least the journey only lasted 30 minutes if you were
lucky.

I think the 458s were essentially the same train with another stupid cab
end - the original end doors had to be locked OOU when units ran in
multiple - and nasty high-density seating.

I also used the latest version of the 458s fairly frequently for a while
and, as far as I could tell, the 460 seating was retained when the cars were
incorporated into the fleet so maybe you were just lucky.


Ah, I hadn't thought of that. Maybe I need to try them again, picking a
carriage with different seating?

Talking about GatEx trains, the current 387/2s have horrible, upright, hard
seats, like most modern trains.

Recliner wrote:
D A Stocks wrote:
"Recliner" wrote in message
...

Yes, I'm talking about the unloved class 458 fleet. I'd not travelled in
them before, so I felt I should give them a try
while they're still in service. I found that they're surprisingly
comfortable — I wonder if Ian Walmsley managed to
sneak comfortable seats in when the 458s and 460s were being refurbished
to become the 458/5s?


I commuted on the 460s for a while when they were new. The seating was their
only redeeming feature. Otherwise the interior lighting was very harsh, the
announcements and door chimes stupidly loud, and the air-conditioning
extremely noisy. At least the journey only lasted 30 minutes if you were
lucky.

I think the 458s were essentially the same train with another stupid cab
end - the original end doors had to be locked OOU when units ran in
multiple - and nasty high-density seating.

I also used the latest version of the 458s fairly frequently for a while
and, as far as I could tell, the 460 seating was retained when the cars were
incorporated into the fleet so maybe you were just lucky.


Ah, I hadn't thought of that. Maybe I need to try them again, picking a
carriage with different seating?


Some sets are mostly 458 with one ex-460 vehicle; IIRC some are entirely
ex-460? You can tell the difference by the glazing; separately framed
windows on the 458s, ribbon glazing on the ex 460 vehicles.


Anna Noyd-Dryver

"Recliner" wrote in message
...
D A Stocks wrote:
"Recliner" wrote in message
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I also used the latest version of the 458s fairly frequently for a while
and, as far as I could tell, the 460 seating was retained when the cars
were
incorporated into the fleet so maybe you were just lucky.


Ah, I hadn't thought of that. Maybe I need to try them again, picking a
carriage with different seating?

The ex. 460 cars also have different glazing, so they're fairly recognisable
from the outside. It's possible some/all of the ex-460 cars may have been
refitted since I was using them around 4-5 years ago.

Talking about GatEx trains, the current 387/2s have horrible, upright,
hard
seats, like most modern trains.
Yes, but the trains are otherwise fairly civilised: there is adequate
legroom, power sockets and wifi unlike, e.g. the class 700s as built. I find
these seats - with the legroom - are acceptable for a one hour journey,
which is about as long as it gets on the Brighton Line.

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DAS