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wrote:
On 15 Dec 2020 18:59:36 GMT
Jeremy Double wrote:
Of course, the UK never had any influence in the EU...

Irrelevant. Brexit was about immigration pure and simple. If that clown Blair
hadn't opened the flood gates to all the Igors and Olgas the minute the
grasping east european countries joined and immediately held out their palms
for silver I doubt Brexit would have happened.

It is amusing however how all the Remoaners were claiming the sky would fall
the minute they all started to leave yet now if you go into a Costa most of
the staff are the British kids who were never given a chance before. Also
all the east european security staff in my local supermarket have cleared off
and been replaced by Brits. Brexit - so far - is working.

Brexit hasn’t started yet. Wait until the new year...

--
Jeremy Double

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On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 18:06:07 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 16/12/2020 11:24, wrote:
Quite possibly, but I've heard numerous anecdotal reports on the radio and
elsewhere of British kids in the past who applied to these sorts of jobs
and were turned down in preference of EU workers.

Cite?

How am I supposed to cite stories from guests and callers on radio shows
and opinion pieces I read ages ago? Thats why I said "anecdotal".

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On 15 Dec 2020 at 18:59:36 GMT, "Jeremy Double"
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 16:06:54 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
On 14/12/2020 08:56, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 21:50:13 +0000
" wrote:
On 12/12/2020 14:05, Graeme Wall wrote:
Shouldn't they have done that before ordering the new trains?

When the New York City Subway started commissioning and testing what was
then the brand new R-38 in the 60s, they realised that there was loading
no gauge on some of the tighter curves, particularly on the Fulton
Street Line.

This prompted the works to allow gauge clearance as well as removing
some of the walkways around towers (signal boxes).

IIRC something similar happened when the 73 stock arrived on the Piccadilly
line. The new cars were longer and so the throw was greater and the tunnels
linings around south ken had to be "shaved".


The 2014 French example is the biggest I'm aware of.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27497727

Oops. Also it seems I'm rather out of date on French railways. When did SNCF
become a train operator only?

The EU mandated separation of infrastructure from train operation,
following the pattern established in the UK by privatisation.

This has been said time and time again but rarely seems to register. Firstly
the EU Directive pre-dates the UK's 1993 Railways Act and secondly you will
find that the EU only mandated separate /accounting/ for infrastructure and
operations.

It did not mandate separate /ownership/ although this is what the UK
subsequently did. The idea was to allow independent freight and passenger
operators access to the infrastructure under the same financial conditions as
the incumbent and to maintain fair competition by making previously hidden
subsidies transparent.

Of course, the UK never had any influence in the EU...


--
Robert

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On 17/12/2020 08:43, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 18:06:07 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 16/12/2020 11:24, wrote:
Quite possibly, but I've heard numerous anecdotal reports on the radio and
elsewhere of British kids in the past who applied to these sorts of jobs
and were turned down in preference of EU workers.

Cite?

How am I supposed to cite stories from guests and callers on radio shows
and opinion pieces I read ages ago? Thats why I said "anecdotal".


So you have no evidence that any of this actually happened. There's
anecdotal reports that a flying saucer landed in Rendlesham Forest.
That's just as likely.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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Graeme Wall wrote:
On 17/12/2020 08:43, wrote:


How am I supposed to cite stories from guests and callers on radio shows
and opinion pieces I read ages ago? Thats why I said "anecdotal".


So you have no evidence that any of this actually happened. There's
anecdotal reports that a flying saucer landed in Rendlesham Forest.
That's just as likely.


Anyone get its Number ?

https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/200...flying-saucer/


GH

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On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 18:45:16 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 17/12/2020 08:43, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 18:06:07 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 16/12/2020 11:24, wrote:
Quite possibly, but I've heard numerous anecdotal reports on the radio and
elsewhere of British kids in the past who applied to these sorts of jobs
and were turned down in preference of EU workers.

Cite?

How am I supposed to cite stories from guests and callers on radio shows
and opinion pieces I read ages ago? Thats why I said "anecdotal".


So you have no evidence that any of this actually happened. There's

There's no evidence anything you say is anything but utter BS too.

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wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 18:45:16 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 17/12/2020 08:43, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 18:06:07 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 16/12/2020 11:24, wrote:
Quite possibly, but I've heard numerous anecdotal reports on the radio and
elsewhere of British kids in the past who applied to these sorts of jobs
and were turned down in preference of EU workers.

Cite?

How am I supposed to cite stories from guests and callers on radio shows
and opinion pieces I read ages ago? Thats why I said "anecdotal".


So you have no evidence that any of this actually happened. There's

There's no evidence anything you say is anything but utter BS too.

If I say “Adolf Hitler� will that bring this converstation to an end?

Sam

--
The entity formerly known as
Spit the dummy to reply

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In message , at 13:47:44 on Fri, 18 Dec
2020, Sam Wilson remarked:
wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 18:45:16 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 17/12/2020 08:43, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 18:06:07 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 16/12/2020 11:24, wrote:
Quite possibly, but I've heard numerous anecdotal reports on the
radio and
elsewhere of British kids in the past who applied to these sorts of jobs
and were turned down in preference of EU workers.

Cite?

How am I supposed to cite stories from guests and callers on radio shows
and opinion pieces I read ages ago? Thats why I said "anecdotal".


So you have no evidence that any of this actually happened. There's

There's no evidence anything you say is anything but utter BS too.

If I say “Adolf Hitler� will that bring this converstation to an end?

You need to ask Mike Godwin.
--
Roland Perry

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On 18/12/2020 14:11, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:47:44 on Fri, 18 Dec
2020, Sam Wilson remarked:
wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 18:45:16 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 17/12/2020 08:43, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 18:06:07 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 16/12/2020 11:24, wrote:
Quite possibly, but I've heard numerous anecdotal reports on the
radio and
elsewhere of British kids in the past who applied to these sorts
of jobs
and were turned down in preference of EU workers.

Cite?

How am I supposed to cite storiesÂ* from guests and callers on radio
shows
and opinion pieces I read ages ago? Thats why I said "anecdotal".


So you have no evidence that any of this actually happened. There's

There's no evidence anything you say is anything but utter BS too.

If I say “Adolf Hitler� will that bring this converstation to an end?

You need to ask Mike Godwin.

What does he know about Namibian politics?

--
Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to
Beastie Boys - 1994 - Ill Communication

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In message , at 14:30:20 on Fri, 18 Dec
2020, Basil Jet remarked:

If I say “Adolf Hitler� will that bring this converstation to an end?

You need to ask Mike Godwin.

What does he know about Namibian politics?

Dunno. It's almost 20yrs since I last met him.
--
Roland Perry

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On 05/12/2020 11:03, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
I just spotted this tweet from Geoff Marshall:

Geoff Marshall
@geofftech
·
3h
So I rode the ‘38 yesterday. Today there was no train. Then this has just
appeared … no trains for another WEEK; what if it still doesn’t resume
after that! Did I just inadvertently manage to ride on the last day that
they were in service … ?

https://twitter.com/geofftech/status...758822407?s=21




006 failed last week, 008 failed yesterday (one post suggests axle box
problems?). 007 is supposedly nearing the end of an overhaul. Another post
suggests service may resume on Monday.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/355569249197459/ has some knowledgeable
people posting and commenting.


Anna Noyd-Dryver


As a side from this thread, I watched a video this evening on "the past"
which was interesting, reflecting my last trip there in 1966.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_dxVE01duo

--
Colin

Have the 483s had their final run?
 

006 and 007 both out of service again yesterday, with suggestions that they
won't be returning to service before the official end date of 3rd Jan.

So it looks possible that 28/12/20 was their last day.


Anna Noyd-Dryver

Have the 483s had their final run?
 

Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
006 and 007 both out of service again yesterday, with suggestions that they
won't be returning to service before the official end date of 3rd Jan.

So it looks possible that 28/12/20 was their last day.


Anna Noyd-Dryver



Out of habit I take a look at the webcam each morning that looks at Ryde
Esplanade station at the time a train is due as on occasions as despite
the traffic reports saying there is no service and replacement buses being
there a service has run.

This morning the train is operating again.

Webcam here

https://youtu.be/34YMtblpGaE

GH

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ColinR wrote:
On 05/12/2020 11:03, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
I just spotted this tweet from Geoff Marshall:

Geoff Marshall
@geofftech
·
3h
So I rode the ‘38 yesterday. Today there was no train. Then this has just
appeared … no trains for another WEEK; what if it still doesn’t resume
after that! Did I just inadvertently manage to ride on the last day that
they were in service … ?

https://twitter.com/geofftech/status...758822407?s=21




006 failed last week, 008 failed yesterday (one post suggests axle box
problems?). 007 is supposedly nearing the end of an overhaul. Another post
suggests service may resume on Monday.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/355569249197459/ has some knowledgeable
people posting and commenting.


Anna Noyd-Dryver


As a side from this thread, I watched a video this evening on "the past"
which was interesting, reflecting my last trip there in 1966.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_dxVE01duo


That link now appears dead so I don’t know if it was steam or the first
batch of tube stock.
I did find some of my own photos taken on that in its last year of
operation and what struck me was how much more of the original interior of
that stock survived with glass lampshades and filament bulbs for the
lighting, leather straphangers etc.
While the 1938 stock has been feted recently the excellent refurbishment
done for their Island role went much further and the interiors ended up
more like a spruced up version of the 59 /62 stock
rather than the ambience they had when in London.

GH

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On 01/01/2021 10:33, Marland wrote:
ColinR wrote:
On 05/12/2020 11:03, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
I just spotted this tweet from Geoff Marshall:

Geoff Marshall
@geofftech
·
3h
So I rode the ‘38 yesterday. Today there was no train. Then this has just
appeared … no trains for another WEEK; what if it still doesn’t resume
after that! Did I just inadvertently manage to ride on the last day that
they were in service … ?

https://twitter.com/geofftech/status...758822407?s=21




006 failed last week, 008 failed yesterday (one post suggests axle box
problems?). 007 is supposedly nearing the end of an overhaul. Another post
suggests service may resume on Monday.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/355569249197459/ has some knowledgeable
people posting and commenting.


Anna Noyd-Dryver


As a side from this thread, I watched a video this evening on "the past"
which was interesting, reflecting my last trip there in 1966.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_dxVE01duo


That link now appears dead so I don’t know if it was steam or the first
batch of tube stock.
I did find some of my own photos taken on that in its last year of
operation and what struck me was how much more of the original interior of
that stock survived with glass lampshades and filament bulbs for the
lighting, leather straphangers etc.
While the 1938 stock has been feted recently the excellent refurbishment
done for their Island role went much further and the interiors ended up
more like a spruced up version of the 59 /62 stock
rather than the ambience they had when in London.

GH


Strange, it was working last night but not this morning! It was a
Railway Roundabout clip in, I recall, 1962 so very much in the steam
days. However, a search this morning cannot find that particular
episode, but many other episodes are on-line.

--
Colin

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ColinR wrote:
On 01/01/2021 10:33, Marland wrote:
ColinR wrote:
On 05/12/2020 11:03, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
I just spotted this tweet from Geoff Marshall:

Geoff Marshall
@geofftech
·
3h
So I rode the ‘38 yesterday. Today there was no train. Then this has just
appeared … no trains for another WEEK; what if it still doesn’t resume
after that! Did I just inadvertently manage to ride on the last day that
they were in service … ?

https://twitter.com/geofftech/status...758822407?s=21




006 failed last week, 008 failed yesterday (one post suggests axle box
problems?). 007 is supposedly nearing the end of an overhaul. Another post
suggests service may resume on Monday.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/355569249197459/ has some knowledgeable
people posting and commenting.


Anna Noyd-Dryver


As a side from this thread, I watched a video this evening on "the past"
which was interesting, reflecting my last trip there in 1966.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_dxVE01duo


That link now appears dead so I don’t know if it was steam or the first
batch of tube stock.
I did find some of my own photos taken on that in its last year of
operation and what struck me was how much more of the original interior of
that stock survived with glass lampshades and filament bulbs for the
lighting, leather straphangers etc.
While the 1938 stock has been feted recently the excellent refurbishment
done for their Island role went much further and the interiors ended up
more like a spruced up version of the 59 /62 stock
rather than the ambience they had when in London.



Strange, it was working last night but not this morning! It was a
Railway Roundabout clip in, I recall, 1962 so very much in the steam
days. However, a search this morning cannot find that particular
episode, but many other episodes are on-line.


Ta, Somewhere I have collection of DVD’s with many of the Railway
Roundabout presentations on it,
though I am old enough to remember them being transmitted on the TV it
wasn’t till I purchased the DVD set I realised the production team had the
foresight to record a a good proportion of their material in colour , must
dig them out again and run through them.

GH

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Marland wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
006 and 007 both out of service again yesterday, with suggestions that they
won't be returning to service before the official end date of 3rd Jan.

So it looks possible that 28/12/20 was their last day.


Anna Noyd-Dryver



Out of habit I take a look at the webcam each morning that looks at Ryde
Esplanade station at the time a train is due as on occasions as despite
the traffic reports saying there is no service and replacement buses being
there a service has run.

This morning the train is operating again.

Webcam here

https://youtu.be/34YMtblpGaE


Interesting, thanks!

Have the 483s had their final run?
 

Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Marland wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
006 and 007 both out of service again yesterday, with suggestions that they
won't be returning to service before the official end date of 3rd Jan.

So it looks possible that 28/12/20 was their last day.


Anna Noyd-Dryver



Out of habit I take a look at the webcam each morning that looks at Ryde
Esplanade station at the time a train is due as on occasions as despite
the traffic reports saying there is no service and replacement buses being
there a service has run.

This morning the train is operating again.

Webcam here

https://youtu.be/34YMtblpGaE


Interesting, thanks!




On Saturday the Isle of Wight County Press published a lot of photos of
tube stock operation on the Island to commemorate the end of it today
Sunday.


https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/1...azN9MMCfoazzeg


GH

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Marland wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Marland wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
006 and 007 both out of service again yesterday, with suggestions that they
won't be returning to service before the official end date of 3rd Jan.

So it looks possible that 28/12/20 was their last day.


Anna Noyd-Dryver



Out of habit I take a look at the webcam each morning that looks at Ryde
Esplanade station at the time a train is due as on occasions as despite
the traffic reports saying there is no service and replacement buses being
there a service has run.

This morning the train is operating again.

Webcam here

https://youtu.be/34YMtblpGaE


Interesting, thanks!




On Saturday the Isle of Wight County Press published a lot of photos of
tube stock operation on the Island to commemorate the end of it today
Sunday.


https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/1...azN9MMCfoazzeg

Spotted on Twitter:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eqzx9KpXYAYTPGk?format=jpg&name=large

Have the 483s had their final run?
 

Marland wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Marland wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
006 and 007 both out of service again yesterday, with suggestions that they
won't be returning to service before the official end date of 3rd Jan.

So it looks possible that 28/12/20 was their last day.


Anna Noyd-Dryver



Out of habit I take a look at the webcam each morning that looks at Ryde
Esplanade station at the time a train is due as on occasions as despite
the traffic reports saying there is no service and replacement buses being
there a service has run.

This morning the train is operating again.

Webcam here

https://youtu.be/34YMtblpGaE


Interesting, thanks!




On Saturday the Isle of Wight County Press published a lot of photos of
tube stock operation on the Island to commemorate the end of it today
Sunday.


https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/1...azN9MMCfoazzeg


I saw this rare one in the collection:
https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/18982235.pictures-island-line-trains-30-years/?fbclid=IwAR2u9YuISXwMsJuXYTGi-2cBppsyH7M7P7Eq0do1LFt5sazN9MMCfoazzeg#gallery73

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On Sun, 03 Jan 2021 16:43:02 +0000, Recliner wrote:

I saw this rare one in the collection:
https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/1...s-island-line-
trains-30-years/?
fbclid=IwAR2u9YuISXwMsJuXYTGi-2cBppsyH7M7P7Eq0do1LFt5sazN9MMCfoazzeg#gallery73

That's a really good picture, I didnt realise how small they were.

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On Sun, 03 Jan 2021 14:13:57 -0600, Alan wrote:

On Sun, 03 Jan 2021 16:43:02 +0000, Recliner wrote:

I saw this rare one in the collection:
https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/18982235.pictures-island-line-trains-30-years/?fbclid=IwAR2u9YuISXwMsJuXYTGi-2cBppsyH7M7P7Eq0do1LFt5sazN9MMCfoazzeg#gallery73

That's a really good picture, I didnt realise how small they were.

Did you never ride those on the Oiccadilly or Central Lines?

BTW, if you enclose a long URL in ..., readers won't have to edit it
back together.

Alternatively, use Tinyurl to give you a short one that will be
redirectedto the original.

http://www.tinyurl.com

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Alan wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jan 2021 16:43:02 +0000, Recliner wrote:

I saw this rare one in the collection:
https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/1...s-island-line-
trains-30-years/?
fbclid=IwAR2u9YuISXwMsJuXYTGi-2cBppsyH7M7P7Eq0do1LFt5sazN9MMCfoazzeg#gallery73

That's a really good picture, I didnt realise how small they were.


Yes, it's quite a reminder.

And it's worth remembering that the modern-day successors to those little
and large trains share tracks and platforms every day at Acton Town, Ealing
Common and from Rayner's Lane to Uxbridge. It's a similar situation from
Kensal Green to Harrow and Wealdstone.

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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jan 2021 14:13:57 -0600, Alan wrote:

On Sun, 03 Jan 2021 16:43:02 +0000, Recliner wrote:

I saw this rare one in the collection:
https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/18982235.pictures-island-line-trains-30-years/?fbclid=IwAR2u9YuISXwMsJuXYTGi-2cBppsyH7M7P7Eq0do1LFt5sazN9MMCfoazzeg#gallery73

That's a really good picture, I didnt realise how small they were.

Did you never ride those on the Oiccadilly or Central Lines?

I did, occasionally, when they had a life extension, but more often on the
very similar 59/62 stocks.


BTW, if you enclose a long URL in ..., readers won't have to edit it
back together.

Note that that's exactly what I did. It works in the original post, but not
in replies.


Alternatively, use Tinyurl to give you a short one that will be
redirectedto the original.

http://www.tinyurl.com


Many people are suspicious of those.

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In message , at 20:53:02 on Sun, 3 Jan 2021,
Recliner remarked:

Alternatively, use Tinyurl to give you a short one that will be
redirectedto the original.

http://www.tinyurl.com

Many people are suspicious of those.

Yes, url shorteners are inherently capable of collecting data on who is
looking at which [page of] a website. Not only does that give each user
a history, but if someone was interested they could link together all
the people who looked at one particular page.
--
Roland Perry