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Have the 483s had their final run?
I just spotted this tweet from Geoff Marshall:
Geoff Marshall @geofftech · 3h So I rode the ‘38 yesterday. Today there was no train. Then this has just appeared … no trains for another WEEK; what if it still doesn’t resume after that! Did I just inadvertently manage to ride on the last day that they were in service … ? https://twitter.com/geofftech/status...758822407?s=21 |
Have the 483s had their final run?
On 04/12/2020 22:02, Recliner wrote:
I just spotted this tweet from Geoff Marshall: Geoff Marshall @geofftech · 3h So I rode the ‘38 yesterday. Today there was no train. Then this has just appeared … no trains for another WEEK; what if it still doesn’t resume after that! Did I just inadvertently manage to ride on the last day that they were in service … ? https://twitter.com/geofftech/status...758822407?s=21 Someone must have hacked his account... Geoff doesn't even know the IoW exists. -- Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to Crowded House - 2007 - Time On Earth (bonus disc) |
Have the 483s had their final run?
Recliner wrote:
I just spotted this tweet from Geoff Marshall: Geoff Marshall @geofftech · 3h So I rode the ‘38 yesterday. Today there was no train. Then this has just appeared … no trains for another WEEK; what if it still doesn’t resume after that! Did I just inadvertently manage to ride on the last day that they were in service … ? https://twitter.com/geofftech/status...758822407?s=21 Last night I glanced at the rail cams that point to Ryde Pier head and Rye Esplanadel and watched the last departure from Pier Head that only goes back as far as St Johns, as has often been the case recently with no passengers around it was a couple of minutes early. Quite a few people are popping in to watch for a bit in case the 484 makes its first journey through the tunnel. Each time I have watched that last train recently knowing that the local travel bulletins almost every other morning have announced there has been no service due to no serviceable train being available I have wondered if I had witnessed the last , looks like last night I may have. I believe next weeks shutdown was planned for engineering works possibly power supply so with only about 10 to 15 days left from that till the new year 3 month closure if the 483s have failed beyond a simple fix it may not be cost effective to fix them as opposed to jusr laying on replacement buses a week or two early. One thing that the cameras have picked up is a sheepdog who has his own ritual for greeting a train about 8.30 each morning, you can see why it has gathered the nickname Spinney who will have to do something else now. https://youtu.be/N9e1Byj_h6Y GH |
Have the 483s had their final run?
Marland wrote:
Recliner wrote: I just spotted this tweet from Geoff Marshall: Geoff Marshall @geofftech · 3h So I rode the ‘38 yesterday. Today there was no train. Then this has just appeared … no trains for another WEEK; what if it still doesn’t resume after that! Did I just inadvertently manage to ride on the last day that they were in service … ? https://twitter.com/geofftech/status...758822407?s=21 Last night I glanced at the rail cams that point to Ryde Pier head and Rye Esplanadel and watched the last departure from Pier Head that only goes back as far as St Johns, as has often been the case recently with no passengers around it was a couple of minutes early. Quite a few people are popping in to watch for a bit in case the 484 makes its first journey through the tunnel. Each time I have watched that last train recently knowing that the local travel bulletins almost every other morning have announced there has been no service due to no serviceable train being available I have wondered if I had witnessed the last , looks like last night I may have. I believe next weeks shutdown was planned for engineering works possibly power supply so with only about 10 to 15 days left from that till the new year 3 month closure if the 483s have failed beyond a simple fix it may not be cost effective to fix them as opposed to jusr laying on replacement buses a week or two early. One thing that the cameras have picked up is a sheepdog who has his own ritual for greeting a train about 8.30 each morning, you can see why it has gathered the nickname Spinney who will have to do something else now. https://youtu.be/N9e1Byj_h6Y Have they planned any special farewell/final trips? If so, they might make the effort to patch up one set enough to do it. If not, it's probably not worth it. I assume the set going to the Steam Railway will never be able to run on the electric line again? |
Have the 483s had their final run?
In uk.railway Recliner wrote:
Have they planned any special farewell/final trips? If so, they might make the effort to patch up one set enough to do it. If not, it's probably not worth it. I assume not. IoW is in Tier 1 and they probably don't want to encourage more people to come from higher tier areas. I assume the set going to the Steam Railway will never be able to run on the electric line again? It appears it's going for static display in their Train Story museum. That's not to say a preservation group might not take it on further down the line, of course... I hope the EoR get the unit that's in the best operational state, given they want to run it. (It's not clear if that's one of the recently failed ones, or 483007 which is still under overhaul) Theo |
Have the 483s had their final run?
Recliner wrote:
I just spotted this tweet from Geoff Marshall: Geoff Marshall @geofftech · 3h So I rode the ‘38 yesterday. Today there was no train. Then this has just appeared … no trains for another WEEK; what if it still doesn’t resume after that! Did I just inadvertently manage to ride on the last day that they were in service … ? https://twitter.com/geofftech/status...758822407?s=21 006 failed last week, 008 failed yesterday (one post suggests axle box problems?). 007 is supposedly nearing the end of an overhaul. Another post suggests service may resume on Monday. https://m.facebook.com/groups/355569249197459/ has some knowledgeable people posting and commenting. Anna Noyd-Dryver |
Have the 483s had their final run?
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote: I just spotted this tweet from Geoff Marshall: Geoff Marshall @geofftech · 3h So I rode the ‘38 yesterday. Today there was no train. Then this has just appeared … no trains for another WEEK; what if it still doesn’t resume after that! Did I just inadvertently manage to ride on the last day that they were in service … ? https://twitter.com/geofftech/status...758822407?s=21 006 failed last week, 008 failed yesterday (one post suggests axle box problems?). 007 is supposedly nearing the end of an overhaul. Another post suggests service may resume on Monday. https://m.facebook.com/groups/355569249197459/ has some knowledgeable people posting and commenting. Anna Noyd-Dryver On local travel news this Morning, Train back in service today till 6pm. Then closed for the weekend for engineering works and testing of the replacement. Wonder if it will make January before the scheduled shutdown. GH |
Have the 483s had their final run?
On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 22:18:26 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote: On 04/12/2020 22:02, Recliner wrote: I just spotted this tweet from Geoff Marshall: Geoff Marshall @geofftech 3h So I rode the 38 yesterday. Today there was no train. Then this has just appeared no trains for another WEEK; what if it still doesnt resume after that! Did I just inadvertently manage to ride on the last day that they were in service ? https://twitter.com/geofftech/status...758822407?s=21 Someone must have hacked his account... Geoff doesn't even know the IoW exists. In addition, would he start a sentence with 'So'? |
Have the 483s had their final run?
On 05 Dec 2020 10:40:52 +0000 (GMT), Theo
wrote: In uk.railway Recliner wrote: Have they planned any special farewell/final trips? If so, they might make the effort to patch up one set enough to do it. If not, it's probably not worth it. I assume not. IoW is in Tier 1 and they probably don't want to encourage more people to come from higher tier areas. I assume the set going to the Steam Railway will never be able to run on the electric line again? It appears it's going for static display in their Train Story museum. That's not to say a preservation group might not take it on further down the line, of course... I hope the EoR get the unit that's in the best operational state, given they want to run it. (It's not clear if that's one of the recently failed ones, or 483007 which is still under overhaul) Would it be possible to use portable batteries to run a short distance without having to modify the train itself? |
Have the 483s had their final run?
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote: I just spotted this tweet from Geoff Marshall: Geoff Marshall @geofftech · 3h So I rode the ‘38 yesterday. Today there was no train. Then this has just appeared … no trains for another WEEK; what if it still doesn’t resume after that! Did I just inadvertently manage to ride on the last day that they were in service … ? https://twitter.com/geofftech/status...758822407?s=21 006 failed last week, 008 failed yesterday (one post suggests axle box problems?). 007 is supposedly nearing the end of an overhaul. Another post suggests service may resume on Monday. https://m.facebook.com/groups/355569249197459/ has some knowledgeable people posting and commenting. 007 returned to service today; finishing early at 1800 AIUI in order to allow the 484 to continue test running. The 484 has made multiple trips to Shanklin under its own power, I believe; but I've not seen any reports of it going through the tunnel, yet. Anna Noyd-Dryver |
Have the 483s had their final run?
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: Recliner wrote: I just spotted this tweet from Geoff Marshall: Geoff Marshall @geofftech · 3h So I rode the ‘38 yesterday. Today there was no train. Then this has just appeared … no trains for another WEEK; what if it still doesn’t resume after that! Did I just inadvertently manage to ride on the last day that they were in service … ? https://twitter.com/geofftech/status...758822407?s=21 006 failed last week, 008 failed yesterday (one post suggests axle box problems?). 007 is supposedly nearing the end of an overhaul. Another post suggests service may resume on Monday. https://m.facebook.com/groups/355569249197459/ has some knowledgeable people posting and commenting. 007 returned to service today; finishing early at 1800 AIUI in order to allow the 484 to continue test running. The 484 has made multiple trips to Shanklin under its own power, I believe; but I've not seen any reports of it going through the tunnel, yet. Anna Noyd-Dryver I watched the 483 go past on the webcam this afternoon , it may be my imagination or the light conditions but it looked like the roof was a lot cleaner than when it was out last and the bodywork looked a bit brighter , I wonder if the staff at Ryde depot decided to give it a little extra TLC so it looks reasonably good for its last journeys. Perhaps a way of using paint stocks up seeing as the 484 is in standard SWR livery which means of course the Island line will have trains sharing a livery with the mainland for the first time since they were Network SouthEast, a livery which IMHO suited the 483’s far better than one would have expected. GH |
Have the 483s had their final run?
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: Recliner wrote: I just spotted this tweet from Geoff Marshall: Geoff Marshall @geofftech · 3h So I rode the ‘38 yesterday. Today there was no train. Then this has just appeared … no trains for another WEEK; what if it still doesn’t resume after that! Did I just inadvertently manage to ride on the last day that they were in service … ? https://twitter.com/geofftech/status...758822407?s=21 006 failed last week, 008 failed yesterday (one post suggests axle box problems?). 007 is supposedly nearing the end of an overhaul. Another post suggests service may resume on Monday. https://m.facebook.com/groups/355569249197459/ has some knowledgeable people posting and commenting. 007 returned to service today; finishing early at 1800 AIUI in order to allow the 484 to continue test running. Initially there were reports the line was closing again for the weekend for engineering work but 007 looking very smart took up duties this morning. Unfortunately it failed late morning and is back in the depot. Hasn’t this overhaul taken 3 years? Hopefully it is something niggling that can easily be fixed. The 484 has made multiple trips to Shanklin under its own power, I believe; but I've not seen any reports of it going through the tunnel, yet. I think it was last Monday that Ryde Pier head had a few people wearing HIVIZ and standing by survey instruments on tripods spread along the platform so maybe clearances were being checked what with there being a sharp curve into the station , possibly esplanade needs measuring as well. GH |
Have the 483s had their final run?
On 12/12/2020 14:03, Marland wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: Recliner wrote: I just spotted this tweet from Geoff Marshall: Geoff Marshall @geofftech · 3h So I rode the ‘38 yesterday. Today there was no train. Then this has just appeared … no trains for another WEEK; what if it still doesn’t resume after that! Did I just inadvertently manage to ride on the last day that they were in service … ? https://twitter.com/geofftech/status...758822407?s=21 006 failed last week, 008 failed yesterday (one post suggests axle box problems?). 007 is supposedly nearing the end of an overhaul. Another post suggests service may resume on Monday. https://m.facebook.com/groups/355569249197459/ has some knowledgeable people posting and commenting. 007 returned to service today; finishing early at 1800 AIUI in order to allow the 484 to continue test running. Initially there were reports the line was closing again for the weekend for engineering work but 007 looking very smart took up duties this morning. Unfortunately it failed late morning and is back in the depot. Hasn’t this overhaul taken 3 years? Hopefully it is something niggling that can easily be fixed. The 484 has made multiple trips to Shanklin under its own power, I believe; but I've not seen any reports of it going through the tunnel, yet. I think it was last Monday that Ryde Pier head had a few people wearing HIVIZ and standing by survey instruments on tripods spread along the platform so maybe clearances were being checked what with there being a sharp curve into the station , possibly esplanade needs measuring as well. Shouldn't they have done that before ordering the new trains? -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
Have the 483s had their final run?
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 12/12/2020 14:03, Marland wrote: 007 returned to service today; finishing early at 1800 AIUI in order to allow the 484 to continue test running. Initially there were reports the line was closing again for the weekend for engineering work but 007 looking very smart took up duties this morning. Unfortunately it failed late morning and is back in the depot. Hasn’t this overhaul taken 3 years? Hopefully it is something niggling that can easily be fixed. The 484 has made multiple trips to Shanklin under its own power, I believe; but I've not seen any reports of it going through the tunnel, yet. I think it was last Monday that Ryde Pier head had a few people wearing HIVIZ and standing by survey instruments on tripods spread along the platform so maybe clearances were being checked what with there being a sharp curve into the station , possibly esplanade needs measuring as well. Shouldn't they have done that before ordering the new trains? I don’t think there will be a problem,after all normal stock albeit at the smaller end of mainline loading gauge worked the line for the best part of a century, but after 55 years of operating tube sized vehicles some re adjustments would be understandable for any test run with tube stock being narrower than subsurface. Some will needed anyway for unassisted wheeled disability access is to be implemented. At the moment the guard is pretty prompt at getting ramps for those who need them but can only be at one set of doors at a time. Part of the upgrade of the infrastructure is to provide level access to platforms though how they do it at Ryde Esplanade with its curved platform will interesting, end doors only perhaps. Pier station has a curve at the end but enough straight after to cope with the length of trains. GH |
Have the 483s had their final run?
Marland wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote: On 12/12/2020 14:03, Marland wrote: 007 returned to service today; finishing early at 1800 AIUI in order to allow the 484 to continue test running. Initially there were reports the line was closing again for the weekend for engineering work but 007 looking very smart took up duties this morning. Unfortunately it failed late morning and is back in the depot. Hasn’t this overhaul taken 3 years? Hopefully it is something niggling that can easily be fixed. The 484 has made multiple trips to Shanklin under its own power, I believe; but I've not seen any reports of it going through the tunnel, yet. I think it was last Monday that Ryde Pier head had a few people wearing HIVIZ and standing by survey instruments on tripods spread along the platform so maybe clearances were being checked what with there being a sharp curve into the station , possibly esplanade needs measuring as well. Shouldn't they have done that before ordering the new trains? I don’t think there will be a problem,after all normal stock albeit at the smaller end of mainline loading gauge worked the line for the best part of a century, but after 55 years of operating tube sized vehicles some re adjustments would be understandable for any test run with tube stock being narrower than subsurface. Some will needed anyway for unassisted wheeled disability access is to be implemented. At the moment the guard is pretty prompt at getting ramps for those who need them but can only be at one set of doors at a time. Part of the upgrade of the infrastructure is to provide level access to platforms though how they do it at Ryde Esplanade with its curved platform will interesting, end doors only perhaps. Pier station has a curve at the end but enough straight after to cope with the length of trains. Perhaps the surveyors were there to calculate *exactly* the track and platform realignment needed during the track renewal? |
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Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
The 484 has made multiple trips to Shanklin under its own power, Watching a recording of one of those on You tube I’m curious if these test runs are the first time the D78 stock and subsequent VivaRail evolutions of it have been signalled by semaphores or do the other area (s)where some are working have some ? I’m guessing that will be a short term scene on the Island as presumably these last semaphores around Ryde will be replaced as Ryde box gets modernised as part of the upgrade . GH |
Have the 483s had their final run?
On 12/12/2020 14:05, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 12/12/2020 14:03, Marland wrote: Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: Recliner wrote: I just spotted this tweet from Geoff Marshall: Geoff Marshall @geofftech · 3h So I rode the ‘38 yesterday. Today there was no train. Then this has just appeared … no trains for another WEEK; what if it still doesn’t resume after that! Did I just inadvertently manage to ride on the last day that they were in service … ? https://twitter.com/geofftech/status...758822407?s=21 006 failed last week, 008 failed yesterday (one post suggests axle box problems?). 007 is supposedly nearing the end of an overhaul. Another post suggests service may resume on Monday. https://m.facebook.com/groups/355569249197459/ has some knowledgeable people posting and commenting. 007 returned to service today; finishing early at 1800 AIUI in order to allow the 484 to continue test running. Initially there were reports the line was closing again for the weekend for engineering work but 007 looking very smart took up duties this morning. Unfortunately it failed late morning and is back in the depot. Hasn’t this overhaul taken 3 years? Hopefully it is something niggling that can easily be fixed. The 484 has made multiple trips to Shanklin under its own power, I believe; but I've not seen any reports of it going through the tunnel, yet. I think it was last Monday that Ryde Pier head had a few people wearing HIVIZ and standing by survey instruments on tripods spread along the platform so maybe clearances were being checked what with there being a sharp curve into the station , possibly esplanade needs measuring as well. Shouldn't they have done that before ordering the new trains? When the New York City Subway started commissioning and testing what was then the brand new R-38 in the 60s, they realised that there was loading no gauge on some of the tighter curves, particularly on the Fulton Street Line. This prompted the works to allow gauge clearance as well as removing some of the walkways around towers (signal boxes). |
Have the 483s had their final run?
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 21:50:13 +0000
" wrote: On 12/12/2020 14:05, Graeme Wall wrote: Shouldn't they have done that before ordering the new trains? When the New York City Subway started commissioning and testing what was then the brand new R-38 in the 60s, they realised that there was loading no gauge on some of the tighter curves, particularly on the Fulton Street Line. This prompted the works to allow gauge clearance as well as removing some of the walkways around towers (signal boxes). IIRC something similar happened when the 73 stock arrived on the Piccadilly line. The new cars were longer and so the throw was greater and the tunnels linings around south ken had to be "shaved". |
Have the 483s had their final run?
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 16:06:54 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote: On 14/12/2020 08:56, wrote: On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 21:50:13 +0000 " wrote: On 12/12/2020 14:05, Graeme Wall wrote: Shouldn't they have done that before ordering the new trains? When the New York City Subway started commissioning and testing what was then the brand new R-38 in the 60s, they realised that there was loading no gauge on some of the tighter curves, particularly on the Fulton Street Line. This prompted the works to allow gauge clearance as well as removing some of the walkways around towers (signal boxes). IIRC something similar happened when the 73 stock arrived on the Piccadilly line. The new cars were longer and so the throw was greater and the tunnels linings around south ken had to be "shaved". IIRC vertical curves rather than horizontal or was that the Central Line ? Gauging runs at low speed hadn't sufficiently imitated normal running conditions. The 2014 French example is the biggest I'm aware of. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27497727 |
Have the 483s had their final run?
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 16:06:54 +0000
Basil Jet wrote: On 14/12/2020 08:56, wrote: On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 21:50:13 +0000 " wrote: On 12/12/2020 14:05, Graeme Wall wrote: Shouldn't they have done that before ordering the new trains? When the New York City Subway started commissioning and testing what was then the brand new R-38 in the 60s, they realised that there was loading no gauge on some of the tighter curves, particularly on the Fulton Street Line. This prompted the works to allow gauge clearance as well as removing some of the walkways around towers (signal boxes). IIRC something similar happened when the 73 stock arrived on the Piccadilly line. The new cars were longer and so the throw was greater and the tunnels linings around south ken had to be "shaved". The 2014 French example is the biggest I'm aware of. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27497727 Oops. Also it seems I'm rather out of date on French railways. When did SNCF become a train operator only? |
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On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 23:56:48 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote: On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 16:06:54 +0000, Basil Jet wrote: On 14/12/2020 08:56, wrote: On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 21:50:13 +0000 " wrote: On 12/12/2020 14:05, Graeme Wall wrote: Shouldn't they have done that before ordering the new trains? When the New York City Subway started commissioning and testing what was then the brand new R-38 in the 60s, they realised that there was loading no gauge on some of the tighter curves, particularly on the Fulton Street Line. This prompted the works to allow gauge clearance as well as removing some of the walkways around towers (signal boxes). IIRC something similar happened when the 73 stock arrived on the Piccadilly line. The new cars were longer and so the throw was greater and the tunnels linings around south ken had to be "shaved". IIRC vertical curves rather than horizontal or was that the Central Line ? Gauging runs at low speed hadn't sufficiently imitated normal running conditions. Don't know TBH. I do know the 2009 stock on the victoria line is too wide for other tube lines, though I suspect that is more due to profile than actual max width. They're definately more slab sided than other stock. |
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On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 16:06:54 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: On 14/12/2020 08:56, wrote: On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 21:50:13 +0000 " wrote: On 12/12/2020 14:05, Graeme Wall wrote: Shouldn't they have done that before ordering the new trains? When the New York City Subway started commissioning and testing what was then the brand new R-38 in the 60s, they realised that there was loading no gauge on some of the tighter curves, particularly on the Fulton Street Line. This prompted the works to allow gauge clearance as well as removing some of the walkways around towers (signal boxes). IIRC something similar happened when the 73 stock arrived on the Piccadilly line. The new cars were longer and so the throw was greater and the tunnels linings around south ken had to be "shaved". The 2014 French example is the biggest I'm aware of. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27497727 Oops. Also it seems I'm rather out of date on French railways. When did SNCF become a train operator only? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCF_Infra |
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On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 08:57:41 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote: wrote: Oops. Also it seems I'm rather out of date on French railways. When did SNCF become a train operator only? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCF_Infra There's a surprise - more interference from the EU in things it has no business being concerned with. |
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On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 08:57:41 -0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: wrote: Oops. Also it seems I'm rather out of date on French railways. When did SNCF become a train operator only? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCF_Infra There's a surprise - more interference from the EU in things it has no business being concerned with. It was the EU taking its lead from the UK, in an effort to encourage open access and international train operators. The aim is to deliver a better, cheaper service to customers through competition and innovation. It's worked in quite a few countries, but the old state monopolies, particularly DB and SNCF, work hard to block it. |
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On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 09:36:08 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote: wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 08:57:41 -0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: wrote: Oops. Also it seems I'm rather out of date on French railways. When did SNCF become a train operator only? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCF_Infra There's a surprise - more interference from the EU in things it has no business being concerned with. It was the EU taking its lead from the UK, in an effort to encourage open access and international train operators. The aim is to deliver a better, The less said of the mess John Majors government made of the railways the better. cheaper service to customers through competition and innovation. It's worked in quite a few countries, but the old state monopolies, particularly DB and SNCF, work hard to block it. Obviously its impossible to know what state BR would be in today if it had continued but been given the same level of funding as the current system, but I suspect it wouldn't have been much different plus there's a good chance we'd have more R&D in this country. |
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On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 16:06:54 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: On 14/12/2020 08:56, wrote: On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 21:50:13 +0000 " wrote: On 12/12/2020 14:05, Graeme Wall wrote: Shouldn't they have done that before ordering the new trains? When the New York City Subway started commissioning and testing what was then the brand new R-38 in the 60s, they realised that there was loading no gauge on some of the tighter curves, particularly on the Fulton Street Line. This prompted the works to allow gauge clearance as well as removing some of the walkways around towers (signal boxes). IIRC something similar happened when the 73 stock arrived on the Piccadilly line. The new cars were longer and so the throw was greater and the tunnels linings around south ken had to be "shaved". The 2014 French example is the biggest I'm aware of. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27497727 Oops. Also it seems I'm rather out of date on French railways. When did SNCF become a train operator only? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Réseau_Ferré_de_France quote Réseau ferré de France (RFF, French: French Rail Network) was a French company which owned and maintained the French national railway network from 1997 to 2014. The company was formed with the rail assets of SNCF in 1997. Afterwards, the trains were operated by the SNCF, the national railway company, but due to European Union Directive 91/440, the Government of France was required to separate train operations from the railway infrastructure. On 1 January 2015, RFF became SNCF Réseau, the operational assets of SNCF became SNCF Mobilités, and both groups were placed under the control of SNCF.[1] /quote |
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On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 23:56:48 +0000 Charles Ellson wrote: On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 16:06:54 +0000, Basil Jet wrote: On 14/12/2020 08:56, wrote: On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 21:50:13 +0000 " wrote: On 12/12/2020 14:05, Graeme Wall wrote: Shouldn't they have done that before ordering the new trains? When the New York City Subway started commissioning and testing what was then the brand new R-38 in the 60s, they realised that there was loading no gauge on some of the tighter curves, particularly on the Fulton Street Line. This prompted the works to allow gauge clearance as well as removing some of the walkways around towers (signal boxes). IIRC something similar happened when the 73 stock arrived on the Piccadilly line. The new cars were longer and so the throw was greater and the tunnels linings around south ken had to be "shaved". IIRC vertical curves rather than horizontal or was that the Central Line ? Gauging runs at low speed hadn't sufficiently imitated normal running conditions. Don't know TBH. I do know the 2009 stock on the victoria line is too wide for other tube lines, though I suspect that is more due to profile than actual max width. They're definately more slab sided than other stock. 1992 stock are also very flat-sided, though the 2009 stock seems to have higher 'shoulders' IYSWIM. Anna Noyd-Dryver |
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On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 11:35:52 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: wrote: Don't know TBH. I do know the 2009 stock on the victoria line is too wide for other tube lines, though I suspect that is more due to profile than actual max width. They're definately more slab sided than other stock. 1992 stock are also very flat-sided, though the 2009 stock seems to have higher 'shoulders' IYSWIM. Yes they do which makes standing next to the door much more comfortable than in other tube stocks as you're not hunched over like quasimodo. I imagine that extra shoulder width on curves is the issue. |
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On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 16:06:54 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: On 14/12/2020 08:56, wrote: On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 21:50:13 +0000 " wrote: On 12/12/2020 14:05, Graeme Wall wrote: Shouldn't they have done that before ordering the new trains? When the New York City Subway started commissioning and testing what was then the brand new R-38 in the 60s, they realised that there was loading no gauge on some of the tighter curves, particularly on the Fulton Street Line. This prompted the works to allow gauge clearance as well as removing some of the walkways around towers (signal boxes). IIRC something similar happened when the 73 stock arrived on the Piccadilly line. The new cars were longer and so the throw was greater and the tunnels linings around south ken had to be "shaved". The 2014 French example is the biggest I'm aware of. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27497727 Oops. Also it seems I'm rather out of date on French railways. When did SNCF become a train operator only? The EU mandated separation of infrastructure from train operation, following the pattern established in the UK by privatisation. Of course, the UK never had any influence in the EU... -- Jeremy Double |
Have the 483s had their final run?
Marland wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: 007 returned to service today; finishing early at 1800 AIUI in order to allow the 484 to continue test running. Initially there were reports the line was closing again for the weekend for engineering work but 007 looking very smart took up duties this morning. Unfortunately it failed late morning and is back in the depot. Well, the unit was running yesterday though for much of the day the local travel bulletins said there was a replacement bus service so there may have been both options till the buses were stood down later in the day. Today it was the usual “ Island line service suspended, replacement buses running” from the travel bulletin. Power supply problems mentioned as the cause on bulletins heard later, Does the 484 take more juice I wonder and strained the life expired electrical equipment on an overnight test? Incidentally the unit which emerged from overhaul and looks likely to be the final torchbearer for the tube stock has acquired a staff bestowed name sticker as a nod to the recently retired depot manager who oversaw keeping these going with minimal resources for years. Is carrying a name albeit a probably unofficial one a first for a tube train? The full gauge Met locos had them of course but I cannot recall anything tube sized, a possible candidate may have been the steam loco that worked on extending the lines to Morden, Cockfosters and the Central Eastwards that was known by the name Brazil after the class name Kerr Stuart gave to the design but the few photos around only seem to show a builders plate not a nameplate. https://transportsofdelight.smugmug....ES/i-xfmN5HM/A It was basically a standard gauge version of a narrow gauge design several examples of which can still be seen at places like the Sittingbourne and Kemsley Looking at the picture I bet the crew suffered from back ache after a shift. GH |
Have the 483s had their final run?
Marland wrote:
Marland wrote: Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: 007 returned to service today; finishing early at 1800 AIUI in order to allow the 484 to continue test running. Initially there were reports the line was closing again for the weekend for engineering work but 007 looking very smart took up duties this morning. Unfortunately it failed late morning and is back in the depot. Well, the unit was running yesterday though for much of the day the local travel bulletins said there was a replacement bus service so there may have been both options till the buses were stood down later in the day. Today it was the usual “ Island line service suspended, replacement buses running” from the travel bulletin. Power supply problems mentioned as the cause on bulletins heard later, Does the 484 take more juice I wonder and strained the life expired electrical equipment on an overnight test? Incidentally the unit which emerged from overhaul and looks likely to be the final torchbearer for the tube stock has acquired a staff bestowed name sticker as a nod to the recently retired depot manager who oversaw keeping these going with minimal resources for years. Is carrying a name albeit a probably unofficial one a first for a tube train? The full gauge Met locos had them of course but I cannot recall anything tube sized, LU's 14 Schöma diesels, used on JLE construction and then works trains, 10 of which have been reengineered as battery locos, carry/carried names https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_diesel_locomotives a possible candidate may have been the steam loco that worked on extending the lines to Morden, Cockfosters and the Central Eastwards that was known by the name Brazil after the class name Kerr Stuart gave to the design but the few photos around only seem to show a builders plate not a nameplate. https://transportsofdelight.smugmug....ES/i-xfmN5HM/A It was basically a standard gauge version of a narrow gauge design several examples of which can still be seen at places like the Sittingbourne and Kemsley Looking at the picture I bet the crew suffered from back ache after a shift. Off-topic for this thread but a controversy apparently reared its head recently regarding a proposal to put a normal size cab on this ex-Harrogate Gas Works loco https://www.mattditch.photography/blog/the-history-of-barber (read the comments here!- https://www.facebook.com/groups/narrowgauge/permalink/5023624207649567/ ) Anna Noyd-Dryver |
Have the 483s had their final run?
On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 21:08:10 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
wrote: Marland wrote: Marland wrote: Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: 007 returned to service today; finishing early at 1800 AIUI in order to allow the 484 to continue test running. Initially there were reports the line was closing again for the weekend for engineering work but 007 looking very smart took up duties this morning. Unfortunately it failed late morning and is back in the depot. Well, the unit was running yesterday though for much of the day the local travel bulletins said there was a replacement bus service so there may have been both options till the buses were stood down later in the day. Today it was the usual Island line service suspended, replacement buses running from the travel bulletin. Power supply problems mentioned as the cause on bulletins heard later, Does the 484 take more juice I wonder and strained the life expired electrical equipment on an overnight test? Incidentally the unit which emerged from overhaul and looks likely to be the final torchbearer for the tube stock has acquired a staff bestowed name sticker as a nod to the recently retired depot manager who oversaw keeping these going with minimal resources for years. Is carrying a name albeit a probably unofficial one a first for a tube train? The full gauge Met locos had them of course but I cannot recall anything tube sized, LU's 14 Schma diesels, used on JLE construction and then works trains, 10 of which have been reengineered as battery locos, carry/carried names https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_diesel_locomotives a possible candidate may have been the steam loco that worked on extending the lines to Morden, Cockfosters and the Central Eastwards that was known by the name Brazil after the class name Kerr Stuart gave to the design but the few photos around only seem to show a builders plate not a nameplate. https://transportsofdelight.smugmug....ES/i-xfmN5HM/A It was basically a standard gauge version of a narrow gauge design several examples of which can still be seen at places like the Sittingbourne and Kemsley Looking at the picture I bet the crew suffered from back ache after a shift. Off-topic for this thread but a controversy apparently reared its head recently regarding a proposal to put a normal size cab on this ex-Harrogate Gas Works loco https://www.mattditch.photography/blog/the-history-of-barber (read the comments here!- https://www.facebook.com/groups/narrowgauge/permalink/5023624207649567/ ) Anna Noyd-Dryver The Met had some small locomotives inherited from the Brill tramway, including a Manning Wardle named "Huddersfield". There was also the elusive "Nellie", another Manning Wardle, which shunted coal wagons for Neasden power station, over a bridge that couldn't take anything heavier. |
Have the 483s had their final run?
On 15/12/2020 18:59, Jeremy Double wrote:
The EU mandated separation of infrastructure from train operation, following the pattern established in the UK by privatisation. Sweden was first. And lots of different models were used; there was the German model of DB having operations and infrastucture units within one holding company, or the French model of separating things out then subcontracting the separated stuff back again to comply with the letter if not the spirit of the rules. Of course, the UK never had any influence in the EU... Did NI Railways ever get - at least nominally - vertically separated? They had a derogation, but it was due to run out, and AFAIK "vertically separating NU Railways" was on the priority to-do list for literally no-one anywhere. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
Have the 483s had their final run?
On 15 Dec 2020 18:59:36 GMT
Jeremy Double wrote: Of course, the UK never had any influence in the EU... Irrelevant. Brexit was about immigration pure and simple. If that clown Blair hadn't opened the flood gates to all the Igors and Olgas the minute the grasping east european countries joined and immediately held out their palms for silver I doubt Brexit would have happened. It is amusing however how all the Remoaners were claiming the sky would fall the minute they all started to leave yet now if you go into a Costa most of the staff are the British kids who were never given a chance before. Also all the east european security staff in my local supermarket have cleared off and been replaced by Brits. Brexit - so far - is working. |
Have the 483s had their final run?
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On 15 Dec 2020 18:59:36 GMT Jeremy Double wrote: Of course, the UK never had any influence in the EU... Irrelevant. Brexit was about immigration pure and simple. If that clown Blair hadn't opened the flood gates to all the Igors and Olgas the minute the grasping east european countries joined and immediately held out their palms for silver I doubt Brexit would have happened. It is amusing however how all the Remoaners were claiming the sky would fall the minute they all started to leave yet now if you go into a Costa most of the staff are the British kids who were never given a chance before. Also all the east european security staff in my local supermarket have cleared off and been replaced by Brits. Brexit - so far - is working. Be interesting to have a closer study at who those Kids are, the current plague has so distorted jobs and the economy that the effect of Brexit and what might have been or not cannot accurately be quantified but one thing that appears to have been happening is the number of people not just young who were employed or aspiring to a professional career whose expectations have been curtailed. Rather than sit on their arses many have adopted the any port in a storm approach to getting some income and gone for service jobs in catering or parcel delivery which they hope will be a temporary interlude. One I know just sighs and says she expected to be doing such work on her gap year but thought it would be in Sydney or Melbourne not Wiltshire. Meanwhile those whose background means they were always less motivated some of whom never had expectations of having to work for a living because getting up a midday drinking a few cans of beer and taking a few drugs and doing a little dealing are still doing that ,they haven’t flocked to fill the positions left by Europeans returning home. Once C19 is brought to a controllable state it will be interesting to see if the more motivated people do resume into more professional careers and less the motivated or aspirational start to fill them, that may mean the likes of Costa etc may have to pay more to make working worthwhile compared to social support, even as a generally EU supporter I would agree the sudden influx of people who could live on low wages knowing that if it all went pear shaped they could return home to a less crowded country where the cost of living was less distorted our job market for low earners. GH |
Have the 483s had their final run?
Marland wrote:
wrote: On 15 Dec 2020 18:59:36 GMT Jeremy Double wrote: Of course, the UK never had any influence in the EU... Irrelevant. Brexit was about immigration pure and simple. If that clown Blair hadn't opened the flood gates to all the Igors and Olgas the minute the grasping east european countries joined and immediately held out their palms for silver I doubt Brexit would have happened. It is amusing however how all the Remoaners were claiming the sky would fall the minute they all started to leave yet now if you go into a Costa most of the staff are the British kids who were never given a chance before. Also all the east european security staff in my local supermarket have cleared off and been replaced by Brits. Brexit - so far - is working. Be interesting to have a closer study at who those Kids are, the current plague has so distorted jobs and the economy that the effect of Brexit and what might have been or not cannot accurately be quantified but one thing that appears to have been happening is the number of people not just young who were employed or aspiring to a professional career whose expectations have been curtailed. Rather than sit on their arses many have adopted the any port in a storm approach to getting some income and gone for service jobs in catering or parcel delivery which they hope will be a temporary interlude. One I know just sighs and says she expected to be doing such work on her gap year but thought it would be in Sydney or Melbourne not Wiltshire. Meanwhile those whose background means they were always less motivated some of whom never had expectations of having to work for a living because getting up a midday drinking a few cans of beer and taking a few drugs and doing a little dealing are still doing that ,they haven’t flocked to fill the positions left by Europeans returning home. Once C19 is brought to a controllable state it will be interesting to see if the more motivated people do resume into more professional careers and less the motivated or aspirational start to fill them, that may mean the likes of Costa etc may have to pay more to make working worthwhile compared to social support, even as a generally EU supporter I would agree the sudden influx of people who could live on low wages knowing that if it all went pear shaped they could return home to a less crowded country where the cost of living was less distorted our job market for low earners. There's been a big drop in hospitality jobs this year, so many of those departing young East Europeans won't have been replaced: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/record-number-of-redundancies-as-restrictions-bite-vkql9sbvp?shareToken=250039b89d1d619f204b901bf7eaa f52 I wonder what will happen next year, when life returns to the hospitality and travel industries? Who will they recruit for the minimum wage jobs? |
Have the 483s had their final run?
On 16 Dec 2020 11:01:26 GMT
Marland wrote: wrote: On 15 Dec 2020 18:59:36 GMT Jeremy Double wrote: Of course, the UK never had any influence in the EU... Irrelevant. Brexit was about immigration pure and simple. If that clown Blair hadn't opened the flood gates to all the Igors and Olgas the minute the grasping east european countries joined and immediately held out their palms for silver I doubt Brexit would have happened. It is amusing however how all the Remoaners were claiming the sky would fall the minute they all started to leave yet now if you go into a Costa most of the staff are the British kids who were never given a chance before. Also all the east european security staff in my local supermarket have cleared off and been replaced by Brits. Brexit - so far - is working. Be interesting to have a closer study at who those Kids are, the current plague has so distorted jobs and the economy that the effect of Brexit and what might have been or not cannot accurately be quantified but one thing that appears to have been happening is the number of people not just young who were employed or aspiring to a professional career whose expectations have been curtailed. Quite possibly, but I've heard numerous anecdotal reports on the radio and elsewhere of British kids in the past who applied to these sorts of jobs and were turned down in preference of EU workers. I can only presume because if you're an immigrant you're less likely to complain about conditions and are happy to work for lower wages plus you'll probably leave soon anyway before there's any chance of you becoming confident enough to lodge any complaints. Meanwhile those whose background means they were always less motivated some of whom never had expectations of having to work for a living because getting up a midday drinking a few cans of beer and taking a few drugs and doing a little dealing are still doing that ,they haven’t flocked to fill the positions left by Europeans returning home. Every country has those sorts , the UK isn't unique in that respect. But there are 70 million people in this country (hopefully a few million less by this time next year) most of whom need to work. would agree the sudden influx of people who could live on low wages knowing that if it all went pear shaped they could return home to a less crowded country where the cost of living was less And sent a large proportion of the money they earned home so the UK economy lost that benefit. |
Have the 483s had their final run?
On 16/12/2020 11:22, Recliner wrote:
There's been a big drop in hospitality jobs this year, so many of those departing young East Europeans won't have been replaced: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/record-number-of-redundancies-as-restrictions-bite-vkql9sbvp?shareToken=250039b89d1d619f204b901bf7eaa f52 I wonder what will happen next year, when life returns to the hospitality and travel industries? Who will they recruit for the minimum wage jobs? We will still have the option of allowing in workers from selected EU or non-EU countries if their presence would benefit the UK economy. |
Have the 483s had their final run?
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