On 08/04/2021 06:24, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 07/04/2021 22:13, Sam Wilson wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

My fantasy for a long time is for the Overground lines to be named after
animals with distinctive coats, and for nearly all of the LU stock to be
liveried like the animals (apart from a few line-hopping spares in the
current livery). ... So, the East London Line becomes
"The Tiger" (no "line"), and the trains, bridges and map line have tiger
appearance - the Chingford line becomes "The Giraffe", the
Romford-Upminster becomes "The Ladybird" etc.

https://www.lothianbuses.com/news/2017/10/edinburgh-goes-wild-for-new-zoo-design-buses/

I know children who say things like “look, it’s the lemur bus!�

Sam


I wasn't suggesting the trains have pictures of animal faces or body
shapes, but that the entire train be covered in zebra stripes etc.


Obviously not an option with LO, as the fleet is mostly shared between
routes. '


Shared over a week, but are there any shared diagrams? Is there any
downside to having mostly dedicated fleets with a few spares in
corporate livery?

Anglia have liveried trains for the Bittern line, East Suffolk line etc,
but I've only ever seen them on the wrong lines!

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Basil Jet wrote:
On 08/04/2021 06:24, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 07/04/2021 22:13, Sam Wilson wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

My fantasy for a long time is for the Overground lines to be named after
animals with distinctive coats, and for nearly all of the LU stock to be
liveried like the animals (apart from a few line-hopping spares in the
current livery). ... So, the East London Line becomes
"The Tiger" (no "line"), and the trains, bridges and map line have tiger
appearance - the Chingford line becomes "The Giraffe", the
Romford-Upminster becomes "The Ladybird" etc.

https://www.lothianbuses.com/news/2017/10/edinburgh-goes-wild-for-new-zoo-design-buses/

I know children who say things like “look, it’s the lemur bus!�

Sam


I wasn't suggesting the trains have pictures of animal faces or body
shapes, but that the entire train be covered in zebra stripes etc.


Obviously not an option with LO, as the fleet is mostly shared between
routes. '


Shared over a week, but are there any shared diagrams? Is there any
downside to having mostly dedicated fleets with a few spares in
corporate livery?

I haven’t noticed it so much recently, but Edinburgh used to have quite a
lot of dedicated buses with the route number included in the livery as well
as on the indicator blinds.

Anglia have liveried trains for the Bittern line, East Suffolk line etc,
but I've only ever seen them on the wrong lines!

You could argue that the smaller open access operators do exactly that!

Sam

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On 08/04/2021 13:16, Sam Wilson wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 08/04/2021 06:24, Recliner wrote:

Obviously not an option with LO, as the fleet is mostly shared between
routes. '

Shared over a week, but are there any shared diagrams? Is there any
downside to having mostly dedicated fleets with a few spares in
corporate livery?

I haven’t noticed it so much recently, but Edinburgh used to have quite a
lot of dedicated buses with the route number included in the livery as well
as on the indicator blinds.

London too... Route 13 springs to mind
http://www.showbus.co.uk/photos/jjd417d.JPG

But at the end of the day, it comes down to how the LO diagrams are
operated. Does each service have dedicated diagrams? Do Chingford and
Enfield services share diagrams, for instance?

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On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 13:56:46 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 08/04/2021 13:16, Sam Wilson wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 08/04/2021 06:24, Recliner wrote:

Obviously not an option with LO, as the fleet is mostly shared between
routes. '

Shared over a week, but are there any shared diagrams? Is there any
downside to having mostly dedicated fleets with a few spares in
corporate livery?

I haven’t noticed it so much recently, but Edinburgh used to have quite a
lot of dedicated buses with the route number included in the livery as well
as on the indicator blinds.

London too... Route 13 springs to mind
http://www.showbus.co.uk/photos/jjd417d.JPG

That was a special service though. IIRC 13 was the only route left with
Routemasters on it. If however you're a bus company with multiple routes
and a general fleet of buses, painting specific route numbers on the sides
doesn't sound like the smartest idea for obvious reasons.

On 08/04/2021 15:53, wrote:
On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 13:56:46 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 08/04/2021 13:16, Sam Wilson wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 08/04/2021 06:24, Recliner wrote:

Obviously not an option with LO, as the fleet is mostly shared between
routes. '

Shared over a week, but are there any shared diagrams? Is there any
downside to having mostly dedicated fleets with a few spares in
corporate livery?

I haven’t noticed it so much recently, but Edinburgh used to have quite a
lot of dedicated buses with the route number included in the livery as well
as on the indicator blinds.

London too... Route 13 springs to mind
http://www.showbus.co.uk/photos/jjd417d.JPG

That was a special service though. IIRC 13 was the only route left with
Routemasters on it. If however you're a bus company with multiple routes
and a general fleet of buses, painting specific route numbers on the sides
doesn't sound like the smartest idea for obvious reasons.


Quite a lot do it though.

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On 08/04/2021 18:07, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 08/04/2021 15:53, wrote:
On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 13:56:46 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 08/04/2021 13:16, Sam Wilson wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 08/04/2021 06:24, Recliner wrote:

Obviously not an option with LO, as the fleet is mostly shared
between
routes. '

Shared over a week, but are there any shared diagrams? Is there any
downside to having mostly dedicated fleets with a few spares in
corporate livery?

I haven’t noticed it so much recently, but Edinburgh used to have
quite a
lot of dedicated buses with the route number included in the livery
as well
as on the indicator blinds.

London too... Route 13 springs to mind
http://www.showbus.co.uk/photos/jjd417d.JPG

That was a special service though. IIRC 13 was the only route left with
Routemasters on it. If however you're a bus company with multiple routes
and a general fleet of buses, painting specific route numbers on the
sides
doesn't sound like the smartest idea for obvious reasons.


Quite a lot do it though.


Here's a Brighton one...


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...
I haven’t noticed it so much recently, but Edinburgh used to have
quite a
lot of dedicated buses with the route number included in the livery as
well
as on the indicator blinds.

London too... Route 13 springs to mind
http://www.showbus.co.uk/photos/jjd417d.JPG

That was a special service though. IIRC 13 was the only route left with
Routemasters on it. If however you're a bus company with multiple routes
and a general fleet of buses, painting specific route numbers on the
sides
doesn't sound like the smartest idea for obvious reasons.


Quite a lot do it though.


Here's a Brighton one...


That's fair enough. The buses that do long-distance routes (the
Leeds-York-Malton-Scarborough/Whitby "Coastliner" is the one near me) tend
to be higher spec and more powerful for going further and faster, and
getting up hills (Whitwell Hill is the killer for buses on the A64), so they
have a dedicated fleet with specific livery. But the livery doesn't go down
to the level of separate paint jobs depending on whether the bus goes to
Whitby or Scarborough after Malton :-)

The Number 36 Ripon-Harrogate-Leeds buses are a specific livery with those
destinations painted on the side - but that's a fast and frequent service
with little extras like USB charging points and wifi (introduced long before
it became common even on local buses). (By rights, that bus should be the
reinstated Ripon railway service, but the 36 bus is so good that trains
could probably not compete on price, and *maybe* not on journey time, so the
line will probably never be re-opened now.)

Basil Jet wrote:
On 08/04/2021 18:07, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 08/04/2021 15:53, wrote:
On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 13:56:46 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 08/04/2021 13:16, Sam Wilson wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 08/04/2021 06:24, Recliner wrote:

Obviously not an option with LO, as the fleet is mostly shared
between
routes. '

Shared over a week, but are there any shared diagrams? Is there any
downside to having mostly dedicated fleets with a few spares in
corporate livery?

I haven’t noticed it so much recently, but Edinburgh used to have
quite a
lot of dedicated buses with the route number included in the livery
as well
as on the indicator blinds.

London too... Route 13 springs to mind
http://www.showbus.co.uk/photos/jjd417d.JPG

That was a special service though. IIRC 13 was the only route left with
Routemasters on it. If however you're a bus company with multiple routes
and a general fleet of buses, painting specific route numbers on the
sides
doesn't sound like the smartest idea for obvious reasons.


Quite a lot do it though.


Here's a Brighton one...



And some Edinburgh ones:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lothian_Buses_bus_720_Volvo_B7TL_Wrightbus_Ec lipse_Gemini_SN55_BLV_Madder_and_White_livery_Rout e_3_Connect_branding.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lothian_Buses_bus_715_Volvo_B7TL_Wrightbus_Ec lipse_Gemini_SN55_BKY_Harlequin_livery_Route_3_Clu b_Class_branding.jpg
http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_edin_t/0_edinburgh_transport_buses_2005_bus_670_003100_10 00.htm
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-a-number-26-lothian-bus-on-princes-street-with-a-frog-advertising-104234367.html
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lothian_Buses_bus_745_Volvo_B7TL_Wrightbus_Ec lipse_Gemini_SN55_BOU_Harlequin_livery_Route_44_Se rvice_with_a_Sparkle_route_branding.jpg

Sam

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On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 18:07:28 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 08/04/2021 15:53, wrote:
On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 13:56:46 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 08/04/2021 13:16, Sam Wilson wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 08/04/2021 06:24, Recliner wrote:

Obviously not an option with LO, as the fleet is mostly shared between
routes. '

Shared over a week, but are there any shared diagrams? Is there any
downside to having mostly dedicated fleets with a few spares in
corporate livery?

I haven’t noticed it so much recently, but Edinburgh used to have quite a

lot of dedicated buses with the route number included in the livery as well

as on the indicator blinds.

London too... Route 13 springs to mind
http://www.showbus.co.uk/photos/jjd417d.JPG

That was a special service though. IIRC 13 was the only route left with
Routemasters on it. If however you're a bus company with multiple routes
and a general fleet of buses, painting specific route numbers on the sides
doesn't sound like the smartest idea for obvious reasons.


Quite a lot do it though.

Yes, I find it a bit odd tbh as it must limit vehicle flexibility
considerably.

wrote:
On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 18:07:28 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 08/04/2021 15:53, wrote:
On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 13:56:46 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 08/04/2021 13:16, Sam Wilson wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 08/04/2021 06:24, Recliner wrote:

Obviously not an option with LO, as the fleet is mostly shared between
routes. '

Shared over a week, but are there any shared diagrams? Is there any
downside to having mostly dedicated fleets with a few spares in
corporate livery?

I haven’t noticed it so much recently, but Edinburgh used to have quite a

lot of dedicated buses with the route number included in the livery as well

as on the indicator blinds.

London too... Route 13 springs to mind
http://www.showbus.co.uk/photos/jjd417d.JPG

That was a special service though. IIRC 13 was the only route left with
Routemasters on it. If however you're a bus company with multiple routes
and a general fleet of buses, painting specific route numbers on the sides
doesn't sound like the smartest idea for obvious reasons.


Quite a lot do it though.

Yes, I find it a bit odd tbh as it must limit vehicle flexibility
considerably.



It needs a handful of extra unbranded spare vehicles across a fleet, which
was obviously considered and costed when the first few companies began to
introduce it. It's obviously seen as a worthwhile expenditure for the
increased visual recognition of the buses and routes, not just among
passengers but among potential passengers, including those who don't
realise they're potential passengers yet.

In any case, it's not uncommon for different routes to have different
fleets in any case, even if they're not branded differently - eg in my area
the 'prime' pair of routes (direct to the city centre) have always had
newer vehicles than the routes which meander through less salubrious parts
of town on their way to the centre.

Not to mention different vehicle sizes - in the '90s Crosville Wales around
where I lived, had some routes operated by the small minibuses, some by
bigger minibuses, some by small full-size buses, some by bigger full-size
buses and finally the double decker routes.


Anna Noyd-Dryver