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Michael MacClancy of wrote:
As with many things, the situation with Autobahn speed limits is not as
simple as it first seems.

There are many stretches of Autobahn with speed limits.

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This means that even where there is not a statutory speed limit on German
Autobahns personal liability and insurance considerations apply downward
pressure on the top speeds.


Another consideration is that Autobahn speed limits are perceived to be
actively enforced. One of my German friends was caught by a camera
exceeding a limit, fined and is apparently at risk of losing her licence for
a repeat offence. Everyone else's view on her being caught was that it is a
totally routine event and caused no surprise. In contrast, although I have
UK acquaintances who have been caught speeding, I can't remember any caught
on a motorway, although I know a lot more UK motorists than German ones.
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Steph Peters wrote:
Another consideration is that Autobahn speed limits are perceived to
be actively enforced. One of my German friends was caught by a camera
exceeding a limit, fined and is apparently at risk of losing her
licence for a repeat offence. Everyone else's view on her being
caught was that it is a totally routine event and caused no surprise.
In contrast, although I have UK acquaintances who have been caught
speeding, I can't remember any caught on a motorway, although I know
a lot more UK motorists than German ones.


Me. Twice. 85 mph M1 and M50


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Steph Peters wrote:

Another consideration is that Autobahn speed limits are perceived to
be actively enforced. One of my German friends was caught by a camera
exceeding a limit, fined and is apparently at risk of losing her
licence for a repeat offence. Everyone else's view on her being
caught was that it is a totally routine event and caused no surprise.
In contrast, although I have UK acquaintances who have been caught
speeding, I can't remember any caught on a motorway, although I know
a lot more UK motorists than German ones.


They certainly seem to be more rather more conscientious about obeying the
limit on the restricted bits. Notably at roadworks.

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On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 at 11:16:31, Dave Larrington wrote:

They certainly seem to be more rather more conscientious about obeying the
limit on the restricted bits. Notably at roadworks.

Yes, when we drove down to near Salzburg via Cologne the other year, we
commented that it would be nice to drive at 130 kph on the German
motorways. Unfortunately, it was either raining, or there were
road-works, or both, and I don't think we got as high as 130 kph all
day! Then there was a crash just past Munich, which delayed us even
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