Picc derailment at Hammersmith
 

TfL website:
The Piccadilly Line has no service between Acton Town Station and Hyde
Park Corner Station in both directions.
This will affect journeys from 16:25 on 25/06/04 until further notice.
This is due to an empty derailed train at Hammersmith Station.
If you are travelling to tonight's concert at Hyde Park, please travel
on the Jubilee or Victoria lines to Green Park, or on the Central Line
to Marble Arch, which are both a short walk from the concert.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Picc derailment at Hammersmith
 

"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...
TfL website:
The Piccadilly Line has no service between Acton Town Station and Hyde
Park Corner Station in both directions.
This will affect journeys from 16:25 on 25/06/04 until further notice.
This is due to an empty derailed train at Hammersmith Station.
If you are travelling to tonight's concert at Hyde Park, please travel
on the Jubilee or Victoria lines to Green Park, or on the Central Line
to Marble Arch, which are both a short walk from the concert.

Further info - 17 train service Cockfosters Hyde Park Corner, 9 train
service Acton Town Heathrow, 5 train service Acton Town Rayners Lane.
--
Cheers, Steve.
Change from jealous to sad to reply.

Picc derailment at Hammersmith
 

Steve Dulieu wrote:
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...

TfL website:
The Piccadilly Line has no service between Acton Town Station and Hyde
Park Corner Station in both directions.
This will affect journeys from 16:25 on 25/06/04 until further notice.
This is due to an empty derailed train at Hammersmith Station.
If you are travelling to tonight's concert at Hyde Park, please travel
on the Jubilee or Victoria lines to Green Park, or on the Central Line
to Marble Arch, which are both a short walk from the concert.


Further info - 17 train service Cockfosters Hyde Park Corner, 9 train
service Acton Town Heathrow, 5 train service Acton Town Rayners Lane.

Even more info:

Trains were backed up nose to tail at Ravenscourt Park, with section
switches opened at one point to detrain passengers.

The train derailed when entering the reversing siding east of Hammersmith.

Brad

Picc derailment at Hammersmith
 

"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...
TfL website:
The Piccadilly Line has no service between Acton Town Station and Hyde
Park Corner Station in both directions.

Where do trains which terminate at Hyde Park Corner switch from Southbound
to Northbound tracks for their return journey? What is the highest level of
frequency that can be provided north of Hyde Park Corner in circumstances
where all trains are turning back at Hyde Park Corner?
--
gordon

Picc derailment at Hammersmith
 

In message , Sharon & Gordon Thomson
writes

"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...
TfL website:
The Piccadilly Line has no service between Acton Town Station and Hyde
Park Corner Station in both directions.

Where do trains which terminate at Hyde Park Corner switch from Southbound
to Northbound tracks for their return journey?

According to Quail, there is a trailing crossover on the eastern side of
Hyde Park Corner station.
I'm guessing the crossovers between the fast and slow lines west of
Baron's court must be blocked by or too close to the derailed train as
the reason that some Picc trains are not using the slow (District) lines
to run some sort of service west of Hyde Park corner.
--
Spyke
Address is valid, but messages are treated as junk. The opinions I express do
not necessarily reflect those of the educational institution from which I post.

Picc derailment at Hammersmith
 

"Sharon & Gordon Thomson" wrote in
message ...

"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...
TfL website:
The Piccadilly Line has no service between Acton Town Station and
Hyde
Park Corner Station in both directions.

Where do trains which terminate at Hyde Park Corner switch from Southbound
to Northbound tracks for their return journey? What is the highest level
of
frequency that can be provided north of Hyde Park Corner in circumstances
where all trains are turning back at Hyde Park Corner?

What was happening today was that all trains were tipping out at Green Park.
They were then running empty to Hyde Park Corner where the driver changed
ends in the westbound platform and then reversed back east over the
crossover, effectively using HPC WB platform as a reversing siding. Given
that we only ever ran 17 or so trains on the CKHPC bit of the line, this
didn't cause any problems with blocking back. Had we needed to, we could
have increased our reversing capacity by using Down Street, but as far as I
know the need didn't arise.
As for highest frequency of reversers at HPC, a good rule of thumb is to
take the time allowed for the T/Op to change ends (four minutes) plus one
for luck and call it one train every five minutes, or 12tph. BTW for all you
trainspotters, track bashers and other railway enthusiasts, from a trainside
operating POV the Piccadilly line *never* runs north south, it only ever
runs east west (no matter which point of the compass the leading cab is
actually facing).
--
Cheers, Steve.
Change from jealous to sad to reply.

Picc derailment at Hammersmith
 

In article , Spyke
writes
According to Quail, there is a trailing crossover on the eastern side
of Hyde Park Corner station.

Yes, you can actually see it from Down Street station.


--
Clive Page

Picc derailment at Hammersmith
 

"Clive Page" wrote in message
...
In article , Spyke
writes
According to Quail, there is a trailing crossover on the eastern side
of Hyde Park Corner station.

Yes, you can actually see it from Down Street station.


a) Down Street station is bricked up apart from a small section and
b) It's Down Street siding that can be seen to the west of the former
station.

Picc derailment at Hammersmith
 

..
BTW for all you trainspotters, track bashers and other railway enthusiasts,
from a trainside
operating POV the Piccadilly line *never* runs north south, it only
ever
runs east west (no matter which point of the compass the leading cab is
actually facing).

Where does an westbound Heathrow train become eastbound? T4 ot T123?

Cheers

Matt

Picc derailment at Hammersmith
 

In message , M J Forbes
writes
Where does an westbound Heathrow train become eastbound? T4 ot T123?

It's been said in here several times that T123 is the timetabling point.
However when I was on one such train recently I noticed that the
displays inside the carriage changed to "Cockfosters" at T4.
--
Roland Perry

Picc derailment at Hammersmith
 

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , M J Forbes
writes
Where does an westbound Heathrow train become eastbound? T4 ot T123?

It's been said in here several times that T123 is the timetabling
point. However when I was on one such train recently I noticed that
the displays inside the carriage changed to "Cockfosters" at T4.

Presumably for the benefit of people boarding at T123? Drivers have long
been changing the destination blind at the penultimate station, both to
advise those joining the train at the terminal and to save a minute or two
allowing for a pee or a can of tea.

Picc derailment at Hammersmith
 

"Piccadilly Pilot" wrote in message
...
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , M J Forbes
writes
Where does an westbound Heathrow train become eastbound? T4 ot T123?

It's been said in here several times that T123 is the timetabling
point. However when I was on one such train recently I noticed that
the displays inside the carriage changed to "Cockfosters" at T4.

Presumably for the benefit of people boarding at T123? Drivers have long
been changing the destination blind at the penultimate station, both to
advise those joining the train at the terminal and to save a minute or two
allowing for a pee or a can of tea.

In fact, it's normal to change the destination at (or just after departing
from) Hatton Cross, so that people waiting at T4 and wishing to get into
town don't get confused by a train turning up with "Heathrow" on the front
(at least, that's the way I used to do it). The operational switch from WB
to EB takes place at Heathrow 123.
--
Cheers, Steve.
Change from jealous to sad to reply.

Picc derailment at Hammersmith
 

In fact, it's normal to change the destination at (or just after departing
from) Hatton Cross, so that people waiting at T4 and wishing to get into
town don't get confused by a train turning up with "Heathrow" on the front
(at least, that's the way I used to do it). The operational switch from WB
to EB takes place at Heathrow 123.
--

Cheers Steve - Hatton X WB would seem logical, but how many people board at
T4 for T123, especially when the HX is free between these two points?

Regards

Matt

Picc derailment at Hammersmith
 

M J Forbes wrote:
In fact, it's normal to change the destination at (or just after
departing from) Hatton Cross, so that people waiting at T4 and
wishing to get into town don't get confused by a train turning up
with "Heathrow" on the front (at least, that's the way I used to do
it). The operational switch from WB to EB takes place at Heathrow
123. --

Cheers Steve - Hatton X WB would seem logical, but how many people
board at T4 for T123, especially when the HX is free between these
two points?


Passengers also board at T4's only platform for stations east of T123
therefore it makes sense for them to know where the train is going..

Picc derailment at Hammersmith
 

In message , Roland Perry
writes

It's been said in here several times that T123 is the timetabling
point. However when I was on one such train recently I noticed that the
displays inside the carriage changed to "Cockfosters" at T4.

Depends on where the driver bothers to reset them.

Hatton Cross Heathrow 123 via T4 is 'Heathrow Loop'. The rest is
east/west bound.
--
Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building.
You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK
(please use the reply to address for email)

Picc derailment at Hammersmith
 

"Steve Fitzgerald" ] wrote in message
...
In message , Roland Perry
writes

It's been said in here several times that T123 is the timetabling
point. However when I was on one such train recently I noticed that the
displays inside the carriage changed to "Cockfosters" at T4.

Depends on where the driver bothers to reset them.

Hatton Cross Heathrow 123 via T4 is 'Heathrow Loop'. The rest is
east/west bound.
I trust, Steve, that as one of our top T/Ops you'll be resetting at or just
after HX?
--
Cheers, Steve.
Change from jealous to sad to reply.

Picc derailment at Hammersmith
 

In message , Steve
Dulieu writes

It's been said in here several times that T123 is the timetabling
point. However when I was on one such train recently I noticed that the
displays inside the carriage changed to "Cockfosters" at T4.

Depends on where the driver bothers to reset them.

Hatton Cross Heathrow 123 via T4 is 'Heathrow Loop'. The rest is
east/west bound.
I trust, Steve, that as one of our top T/Ops you'll be resetting at or just
after HX?

I always do it at a point when I don't need to be in full control of my
train :-)
--
Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building.
You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK
(please use the reply to address for email)

Picc derailment at Hammersmith
 

On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:11:34 GMT, "Steve Dulieu"
wrote:

[of mr fitzgerald]
I trust, Steve, that as one of our top T/Ops

are usenet posts admissable in annual performance appraisals?

--
Paul C


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