Crossrail and the GWML
 

Hi all,

Just had a look at the Crossrail website, it has information sheets for
each station along the route. Below is a summary of most of the
information for the GWML stations:

All Peak Frequencies:

· 4tph from Acton Main Line to Central London (direct services to
Heathrow and the West).

· 10tph from Ealing Broadway to Central London.

· 4tph from West Ealing to Central London (direct services to Heathrow
and the West).

· 2tph from Hanwell to Central London (direct services to Heathrow and
the West).

· 10tph from Southall to Central London.

· 10tph from Hayes & Harlington to Central London.

· 6tph from West Drayton to Central London.

· 2tph from Iver to Central London.

· 4tph from Langley to Central London.

· 4tph from Slough to Central London.

· 4tph from Burnham to Central London.

· 2tph from Taplow to Central London.

· I am assuming 4tph from Maidenhead to Central London, and 4tph goes to
Heathrow.

Train stabling facilities at West Drayton Yard (former coal depot) – 22
Trains. Facilities at Maidenhead in former goods Yard – 6 trains.
Reversing Sidings at Maidenhead (2). 12 trains at Old Oak Depot (north
of First Great Western’s depot).

Overhead wiring would be undertaken at Maidenhead Bridge (Grade II
listed structure)

At West Drayton platforms 3, 4 and 5 would be extended for Crossrail.
Land would be acquired between Langley and West Drayton to allow for a
fifth track here for the express Crossrail service to overtake (the
route is five track in places at the moment).

At Maidenhead there would be a new terminal platform for the Bourne End
branch. At West Ealing there would be a terminal platform for the
Greenford service. However the Greenford – West Ealing service would
increase to 4tph to make up for the truncation.


Jeff.


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In article lgate.org,
Jeffrey Asante wrote:
Hi all,

Just had a look at the Crossrail website, it has information sheets for
each station along the route. Below is a summary of most of the
information for the GWML stations:

All Peak Frequencies:

· 4tph from Acton Main Line to Central London (direct services to
Heathrow and the West).

· 10tph from Ealing Broadway to Central London.

· 4tph from West Ealing to Central London (direct services to Heathrow
and the West).

· 2tph from Hanwell to Central London (direct services to Heathrow and
the West).

· 10tph from Southall to Central London.

· 10tph from Hayes & Harlington to Central London.

· 6tph from West Drayton to Central London.

· 2tph from Iver to Central London.

· 4tph from Langley to Central London.

· 4tph from Slough to Central London.

· 4tph from Burnham to Central London.

· 2tph from Taplow to Central London.

· I am assuming 4tph from Maidenhead to Central London, and 4tph goes to
Heathrow.

Train stabling facilities at West Drayton Yard (former coal depot) – 22
Trains. Facilities at Maidenhead in former goods Yard – 6 trains.
Reversing Sidings at Maidenhead (2). 12 trains at Old Oak Depot (north
of First Great Western’s depot).

Overhead wiring would be undertaken at Maidenhead Bridge (Grade II
listed structure)

At West Drayton platforms 3, 4 and 5 would be extended for Crossrail.
Land would be acquired between Langley and West Drayton to allow for a
fifth track here for the express Crossrail service to overtake (the
route is five track in places at the moment).

At Maidenhead there would be a new terminal platform for the Bourne End
branch. At West Ealing there would be a terminal platform for the
Greenford service. However the Greenford – West Ealing service would
increase to 4tph to make up for the truncation.


Some additional details of new works a reversing loop at Westbourne
Park, flyover across relief lines at Acton for freight trains leaving
Acton yard, flyover crossing main lines west of Southall for a new down
Heathrow line running south of main lines, additional platform at Hayes
for down Heathrow line, flyover at Airport Junction extended over relief
lines, new reversing siding at Slough, fifth platform at Iver for a fifth
running line between Hayes and Langley. Existing up relief becomes a
bidirectional "overtaking" line.

Services west of Paddington will probably not start until some time after
Crossrail opens. All stations legthened for 10 car trains formed from 5
car units. Existing Heathrow Express services will continue idependently
of CrossRail.

David

Crossrail and the GWML
 

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, gwr4090 wrote:

All stations legthened for 10 car trains formed from 5 car units.

*10* car units? What happened to 12?

tom

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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, gwr4090 wrote:

All stations legthened for 10 car trains formed from 5 car units.

*10* car units? What happened to 12?

I suppose it depends on the length of the carriages?

Trains used to be 20m, now newer trains are about 4m longer. 5*4=20m, so the
extra space in each carraige makes up for the loss of a car per unit - and
therefore 2 cars per train. (Assuming the new trains are made up of 24m
cars)

--
TC

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"TC" wrote in message
...

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, gwr4090 wrote:

All stations legthened for 10 car trains formed from 5 car units.

*10* car units? What happened to 12?

I suppose it depends on the length of the carriages?

Trains used to be 20m, now newer trains are about 4m longer. 5*4=20m, so
the
extra space in each carraige makes up for the loss of a car per unit - and
therefore 2 cars per train. (Assuming the new trains are made up of 24m
cars)


Which they are not! According to Crossrail's information pack, they are made
up of ten 20m cars.

--
TC

Crossrail and the GWML
 

Tom Anderson wrote:
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, gwr4090 wrote:

All stations legthened for 10 car trains formed from 5 car units.

*10* car units? What happened to 12?

Crossrail is designed for 10-car trains initially, except that the
platform tunnels in underground stations will be 245m long to allow for
future lengthening to 12-car trains.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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"gwr4090" wrote in message
...

Some additional details of new works a
reversing loop at Westbourne Park,

A bona fide loop like the Northern Line's Kennington loop?

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John Rowland wrote:
"gwr4090" wrote in message
...

Some additional details of new works a
reversing loop at Westbourne Park,

A bona fide loop like the Northern Line's Kennington loop?

Reversing *sidings*, I would have thought, as 14tph will be reversed
there (24 minus the 10 that will serve Heathrow/Maidenhead/West
Drayton). Currently that work site is not shown on Crossrail's website.
--
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Jeffrey Asante wrote:

Hi all,

Just had a look at the Crossrail website, it has information sheets for
each station along the route.

(snipped useful info)

I had no idea all this information was available, but I don't have a
chance of downloading it all on a dial-up connection. Can anyone tell me
what useful information there is in the Information Pack (the 6MB one)?
And is there useful info in the 80-something information sheets for the
various stations?!

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Crossrail and the GWML
 

Dave Arquati wrote:
Jeffrey Asante wrote:

Hi all,

Just had a look at the Crossrail website, it has information
sheets for each station along the route.

(snipped useful info)

I had no idea all this information was available, but I don't have a
chance of downloading it all on a dial-up connection. Can anyone
tell me what useful information there is in the Information Pack
(the 6MB one)? And is there useful info in the 80-something
information sheets for the various stations?!

The Information Pack is so large because it's a glossy with lots of
photos. If you click on "information pack" in the centre column, you'll
get a list of headings, and clicking on each one will bring up the text
in HTML.

The station information sheets typically include sample journey times,
plans and mock-ups of station improvements such as platform extensions
and new entrances.

It's worth asking CLRL if they could let you have all the material in
hard copy, as it's clearly in their interest to ensure that your website
carries accurate info. All their stuff was available in hard copy
during last autumn's consultation. You could ask at one of the current
Information Exchange Centres (Spitalfields or Farringdon) or contact
them directly.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Crossrail and the GWML
 

Richard J. wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote:

Jeffrey Asante wrote:


Hi all,

Just had a look at the Crossrail website, it has information
sheets for each station along the route.

(snipped useful info)

I had no idea all this information was available, but I don't have a
chance of downloading it all on a dial-up connection. Can anyone
tell me what useful information there is in the Information Pack
(the 6MB one)? And is there useful info in the 80-something
information sheets for the various stations?!


The Information Pack is so large because it's a glossy with lots of
photos. If you click on "information pack" in the centre column, you'll
get a list of headings, and clicking on each one will bring up the text
in HTML.

Excellent. I wish they'd put the other information in HTML too!

The station information sheets typically include sample journey times,
plans and mock-ups of station improvements such as platform extensions
and new entrances.

It's worth asking CLRL if they could let you have all the material in
hard copy, as it's clearly in their interest to ensure that your website
carries accurate info. All their stuff was available in hard copy
during last autumn's consultation. You could ask at one of the current
Information Exchange Centres (Spitalfields or Farringdon) or contact
them directly.

Good idea, I'll try to do that.

In the meantime, I'm trying desperately to work out the service pattern.
So far I have the following based on part facts and part guesswork.
Please can anyone help me sort this mess out!

2tph Heathrow - Shenfield (not calling Hanwell, W Ealing & Acton ML)
2tph Heathrow - Ebbsfleet (1tph at Hanwell, 2tph at W Ealing & Acton ML)

(We know 4tph to Heathrow but I guess they will want everyone on
Crossrail possible to have direct access to Heathrow - that is, unless
Canary Wharf get upset about only having a half-hourly service there.
The cynic in me also suggests that having only 2tph to Heathrow from
each branch means that people are more likely to catch the first train
to Paddington and change to the premium fare 4tph Heathrow Express.)

2tph Maidenhead - Abbey Wood semifast (not calling Taplow, Iver,
Hanwell, W Ealing & Acton ML)
2tph Maidenhead - Abbey Wood slow (1tph at Hanwell, not calling W Ealing
& Acton ML)

(I'm trying to balance how many passengers will want Canary Wharf
versus how many will want the CTRL at Stratford - and I'm plumping for a
large majority for CW as this is a peak service pattern. I don't think
any Maidenhead trains will go as far as Ebbsfleet as that's a long
journey and performance could be an issue. The Hanwell thing is because
it gets 2tph total but still apparently has direct trains to both
Heathrow and to "the West".)

2tph West Drayton - Ebbsfleet semifast (not calling Hanwell, W Ealing,
Acton ML)
(I think they still want direct journeys between W London and Slough
etc. so it's useless to have Maidenhead trains fast and West Drayton's slow)

10tph Paddington - Shenfield (all stations except Maryland)
4tph Paddington - Abbey Wood (all stations)

and 6tph Liverpool St - Shenfield (GE, all stations).
--
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Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

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"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...
Richard J. wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote:

Jeffrey Asante wrote:


Hi all,

Just had a look at the Crossrail website, it has information
sheets for each station along the route.

(snipped useful info)
(me too)

I had no idea all this information was available, but I don't have a
chance of downloading it all on a dial-up connection. Can anyone
tell me what useful information there is in the Information Pack
(the 6MB one)? And is there useful info in the 80-something
information sheets for the various stations?!

Excellent. I wish they'd put the other information in HTML too!

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Following up on this thread I accessed the site only to discover that a
download I wanted (route) was given as a PDF file which took ages to
download and display, merely to show a line diagram which could have been
sent as a gif image file which would have displayed much more quickly. Why
are so many websites now distributing their information with cumbersome PDF
files ?
Cheerz,
Baz

Website info - was Crossrail and the GWML
 

Marratxi wrote:

Following up on this thread I accessed the site only to discover
that a download I wanted (route) was given as a PDF file which took
ages to download and display, merely to show a line diagram which
could have been sent as a gif image file which would have displayed
much more quickly. Why are so many websites now distributing their
information with cumbersome PDF files ?

Because it produces an image that can easily be zoomed in or out to suit
individual display requirements. As a matter of interest, how old is
your computer and what is its processor speed? PDF files are fine if
you have a reasonably fast computer. However, the Crossrail site has
always been very slow, and it's a pain to download stuff from there even
with a fast PC.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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"Marratxi" wrote the
following in:

Following up on this thread I accessed the site only to discover
that a download I wanted (route) was given as a PDF file which
took ages to download and display, merely to show a line diagram
which could have been sent as a gif image file which would have
displayed much more quickly. Why are so many websites now
distributing their information with cumbersome PDF files ?
Cheerz,
Baz

I seem to remember that the tube map as a PDF is a smaller file than
the tube map as a gif.

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Marratxi wrote:

"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...

Richard J. wrote:

Dave Arquati wrote:


Jeffrey Asante wrote:



Hi all,

Just had a look at the Crossrail website, it has information
sheets for each station along the route.

(snipped useful info)

(me too)

I had no idea all this information was available, but I don't have a
chance of downloading it all on a dial-up connection. Can anyone
tell me what useful information there is in the Information Pack
(the 6MB one)? And is there useful info in the 80-something
information sheets for the various stations?!

Excellent. I wish they'd put the other information in HTML too!

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London


Following up on this thread I accessed the site only to discover that a
download I wanted (route) was given as a PDF file which took ages to
download and display, merely to show a line diagram which could have been
sent as a gif image file which would have displayed much more quickly. Why
are so many websites now distributing their information with cumbersome PDF
files ?
Cheerz,
Baz

Probably laziness (a little) - if the program used to create the diagram
was an Adobe one (quite likely, as TfL use one (Adobe Illustrator?) for
their diagrams) then it is a matter of a couple of clicks to produce a
PDF, whereas with a GIF they need to worry about an appropriate size,
and whether their antialiasing will work at 256 colours.

I've certainly noticed a huge increase in the number of PDF documents
around, making Google's cached HTML versions invaluable for quick
searches - because even if your connection is fast, Acrobat Reader
certainly isn't!

I think it's also rare that anyone producing a PDF document is subjected
to a narrowband connection - so file size doesn't register too much.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

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"Robin May" wrote in message
...
"Marratxi" wrote the
following in:

Why are so many websites now distributing
their information with cumbersome PDF files ?

I seem to remember that the tube map as a PDF
is a smaller file than the tube map as a gif.

But that's a proper PDF file containing vectors. I think he's talking about
the crap PDF files that just contain a single bitmap image.

--
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Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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"Richard J." wrote in message
...

You could ask at one of the current
Information Exchange Centres (Spitalfields
or Farringdon) or contact them directly.

I walked in the rain today to the Farringdon office, only to find it shut...
the website says it's only open on Monday and Thursday. Harrumph, they must
have added that to the website today, because I'm sure it wasn't there
yesterday.

--
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Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

Crossrail and the GWML
 

Jeffrey Asante wrote:
Just had a look at the Crossrail website, it has information sheets for
each station along the route. Below is a summary of most of the
information for the GWML stations:

All Peak Frequencies:

· 4tph from Acton Main Line to Central London (direct services to
Heathrow and the West).

· 10tph from Ealing Broadway to Central London.

· 4tph from West Ealing to Central London (direct services to Heathrow
and the West).

· 2tph from Hanwell to Central London (direct services to Heathrow and
the West).
....

Good for Acton Main Line, OK for Greenford branch, but what have they
got against Hanwell (and Elthorne)? 1 tph west of Hayes is pathetic,
and makes the service from other stations less regular.

And the frequencies quoted, IMO, are about right for between the peaks
- not just for the peaks themselves.

Colin McKenzie

--
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it leaves you free to believe the damned lies instead!

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"John Rowland" wrote the
following in:

"Robin May" wrote in message
...
"Marratxi" wrote
the following in:

Why are so many websites now distributing
their information with cumbersome PDF files ?

I seem to remember that the tube map as a PDF
is a smaller file than the tube map as a gif.

But that's a proper PDF file containing vectors. I think he's
talking about the crap PDF files that just contain a single bitmap
image.

Oh right. Those are awful, there's absolutely no point in using them.

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"Colin McKenzie" wrote in message
...

OK for Greenford branch

When I read what they are planning, I think this Cinderella line is being
silently prepared for closure. There is no way anyone will use it, when
buses to Ealing Broadway will give much better journey times to all Central
Line and District Line destinations, and maybe even Crossrail destinations
too, bearing in mind that Ealing Bdy will have so many more Crossrail trains
than West Ealing.

--
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Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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"John Rowland" wrote in message
...

When I read what they are planning, I think this Cinderella line is being
silently prepared for closure. There is no way anyone will use it, when
buses to Ealing Broadway will give much better journey times to all
Central
Line and District Line destinations, and maybe even Crossrail destinations
too, bearing in mind that Ealing Bdy will have so many more Crossrail
trains
than West Ealing.

Perhaps the solution is to reinstate the GW main line platform at Greenford
and to transfer the service to Chiltern, perhaps a High Wycombe to Ealing
Broadway all-stations service? Being able to get from those stations to
Heathrow/Reading with one change would be a great improvement!

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"Jack Taylor" wrote in message
...
"John Rowland" wrote in message
...

When I read what they are planning, I think this Cinderella line is
being
silently prepared for closure. There is no way anyone will use it, when
buses to Ealing Broadway will give much better journey times to all
Central Line and District Line destinations, and maybe even
Crossrail destinations too, bearing in mind that Ealing Bdy
will have so many more Crossrail trains than West Ealing.

Perhaps the solution is to reinstate the GW main line
platform at Greenford and to transfer the service to Chiltern,
perhaps a High Wycombe to Ealing Broadway
all-stations service? Being able to get from those
stations to Heathrow/Reading with one change would
be a great improvement!

I think a "direct" service between Aylesbury and Heathrow via High Wycombe
and South Greenford make a lot more sense. I think this would give a
cross-platform interchange at Hanwell for anyone wanting to travel in either
direction between South Greenford and Ealing Broadway/Paddington/City. New
platform(s) would be needed at Greenford. The line between Drayton Green and
West Ealing would become FGW ECS only. ISTR a service between Heathrow and
Greenford ran after the Ladbroke Grove crash, with no services between
Drayton Green and West Ealing.

--
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Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

Crossrail and the GWML
 

I think a "direct" service between Aylesbury and Heathrow via High Wycombe
and South Greenford make a lot more sense. I think this would give a
cross-platform interchange at Hanwell for anyone wanting to travel in either
direction between South Greenford and Ealing Broadway/Paddington/City. New
platform(s) would be needed at Greenford. The line between Drayton Green and
West Ealing would become FGW ECS only. ISTR a service between Heathrow and
Greenford ran after the Ladbroke Grove crash, with no services between
Drayton Green and West Ealing.

It was a free shuttle between Ealing Broadway & Heathrow T4.

Running to Greenford would have been hard with no OLE between Hanwell
and Greenford....

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"Matthew" wrote in message
...

I think a "direct" service between Aylesbury and Heathrow
via High Wycombe and South Greenford make a lot more sense.
ISTR a service between Heathrow and Greenford ran
after the Ladbroke Grove crash, with no services between
Drayton Green and West Ealing.

It was a free shuttle between Ealing Broadway & Heathrow T4.

Oh yeah, the Greenford trains terminated at Southall.

Running to Greenford would have been hard with
no OLE between Hanwell and Greenford....

blush That kind of scuppers the whole idea!

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A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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"John Rowland" wrote in message ...
"Jack Taylor" wrote in message
...
"John Rowland" wrote in message
...

When I read what they are planning, I think this Cinderella line is
being
silently prepared for closure. There is no way anyone will use it, when
buses to Ealing Broadway will give much better journey times to all
Central Line and District Line destinations, and maybe even
Crossrail destinations too, bearing in mind that Ealing Bdy
will have so many more Crossrail trains than West Ealing.

Perhaps the solution is to reinstate the GW main line
platform at Greenford and to transfer the service to Chiltern,
perhaps a High Wycombe to Ealing Broadway
all-stations service? Being able to get from those
stations to Heathrow/Reading with one change would
be a great improvement!

I think a "direct" service between Aylesbury and Heathrow via High Wycombe
and South Greenford make a lot more sense. I think this would give a
cross-platform interchange at Hanwell for anyone wanting to travel in either
direction between South Greenford and Ealing Broadway/Paddington/City. New
platform(s) would be needed at Greenford. The line between Drayton Green and
West Ealing would become FGW ECS only. ISTR a service between Heathrow and
Greenford ran after the Ladbroke Grove crash, with no services between
Drayton Green and West Ealing.

Wow! You just made it easy to get to Heathrow from the West Midlands -
just one change (same platform) at Princes' Risboro' or High Wycombe
(depending on where the train's stopping). Is there a curve facing the
right way onto the BR line at Greenford? ISTR that there's one facing
back towards Pad and one into a bay, but I don't recall a third.

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"James" wrote in message
m...
"John Rowland" wrote in message
...

I think a "direct" service between Aylesbury
and Heathrow via High Wycombe
and South Greenford make a lot more sense.

Is there a curve facing the right way onto the BR line at Greenford?

All the curves are there, but the line isn't electrified, and diesel trains
aren't allowed through the Heathrow tunnel

--
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A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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"John Rowland" wrote in message ...
"James" wrote in message
m...
"John Rowland" wrote in message
...

I think a "direct" service between Aylesbury
and Heathrow via High Wycombe
and South Greenford make a lot more sense.

Is there a curve facing the right way onto the BR line at Greenford?

All the curves are there, but the line isn't electrified, and diesel trains
aren't allowed through the Heathrow tunnel

How about dual-modes?

Crossrail and the GWML
 

In message , at 20:26:53
on Sun, 29 Aug 2004, James remarked:
All the curves are there, but the line isn't electrified, and diesel trains
aren't allowed through the Heathrow tunnel

How about dual-modes?

Apparently not. Perhaps they don't want the risk of a fire underground
with all that fuel (and a rather important national asset at ground
level).
--
Roland Perry

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Roland Perry wrote in message o.uk...
In message , at 20:26:53
on Sun, 29 Aug 2004, James remarked:
All the curves are there, but the line isn't electrified, and diesel trains
aren't allowed through the Heathrow tunnel

How about dual-modes?

Apparently not. Perhaps they don't want the risk of a fire underground
with all that fuel (and a rather important national asset at ground
level).

Okay, so two ways of doing this:
1) Get a rake of Mk II or Mk III Stock, and haul it with an 86, 87, or
90 over the Airport Line, with a loco change at Southall or somewhere
to a 47.
2) Get an AC EMU (like the 321s eventually coming off Sliverlink, or
maybe nick a 390 off VT), then attach/detach said 47 at Southall.