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Arriving at Stansted Airport, suppose I'll take the Stansted
Express/Skytrain to Liverpool Street Station.

To go to Barking, may I be dropped along the route or I must go first
at Liverpool Str Station, then from there take the tube?

For instance, dropping at Tottenham Hale allow me to reach Barking
easily?

Or exists a better alternative?

Tnx for your feedback

As nobody here has so far pointed out, there's an on-line journey planner
which is smart enough to look at the various routes; the URL is:
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/planmyjourney/

You don't say exactly when you want to travel, so I can't give you more
specific advice, but just looking at the next few journeys indicates that
changing at Tottenham Hale & Blackhorse Rd. is the fastest (1h 29 min),
while walking from Liverpool St to Fenchurch St would give 1h 35min. It
even considers changing at Hackney (Downs/Central) & W. Ham but that's even
slower...

Regards,

- Alan (in Brussels - mind the spamtrap)

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"Jiminy" a écrit dans le message de
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Arriving at Stansted Airport, suppose I'll take the Stansted
Express/Skytrain to Liverpool Street Station.

To go to Barking, may I be dropped along the route or I must go first
at Liverpool Str Station, then from there take the tube?

For instance, dropping at Tottenham Hale allow me to reach Barking
easily?

Or exists a better alternative?

Tnx for your feedback

As nobody here has so far pointed out, there's an on-line journey planner
which is smart enough to look at the various routes; the URL is:
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/planmyjourney/

You don't say exactly when you want to travel, so I can't give you more
specific advice, but just looking at the next few journeys indicates that
changing at Tottenham Hale & Blackhorse Rd. is the fastest (1h 29 min),
while walking from Liverpool St to Fenchurch St would give 1h 35min. It
even considers changing at Hackney (Downs/Central) & W. Ham but that's
even
slower...

I wouldn't pay much attention to those times. For example it allows about 40
minutes to get one stop on the Victoria line from Tottenham Hale to
Blackhorse Road and a similar time to walk 1/2 mile from Liv St to Fen St.
It doesn't even mention the most obvious route of Hammersmith and City line.

The TfL Journey Planner http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk gives times of
about 1h15 for both the GOBLin from Blackhorse Rd and the H&C from Liverpool
Street. I would suggest going via Liverpool Street as the frequency is much
better.

Peter Smyth

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"Jiminy" a écrit dans le message de
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Arriving at Stansted Airport, suppose I'll take the Stansted
Express/Skytrain to Liverpool Street Station.

To go to Barking, may I be dropped along the route or I must go first
at Liverpool Str Station, then from there take the tube?

For instance, dropping at Tottenham Hale allow me to reach Barking
easily?

Or exists a better alternative?

Tnx for your feedback

As nobody here has so far pointed out, there's an on-line journey
planner
which is smart enough to look at the various routes; the URL is:
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/planmyjourney/

You don't say exactly when you want to travel, so I can't give you more
specific advice, but just looking at the next few journeys indicates
that
changing at Tottenham Hale & Blackhorse Rd. is the fastest (1h 29 min),
while walking from Liverpool St to Fenchurch St would give 1h 35min. It
even considers changing at Hackney (Downs/Central) & W. Ham but that's
even
slower...

I wouldn't pay much attention to those times. For example it allows about
40
minutes to get one stop on the Victoria line from Tottenham Hale to
Blackhorse Road and a similar time to walk 1/2 mile from Liv St to Fen St.
It doesn't even mention the most obvious route of Hammersmith and City
line.

The TfL Journey Planner http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk gives times of
about 1h15 for both the GOBLin from Blackhorse Rd and the H&C from
Liverpool
Street. I would suggest going via Liverpool Street as the frequency is
much
better.

I agree with your conclusion, but not your analysis of the data from the NR
journey planner. The apparently long time allowances for the connections are
due mainly to the infrequent train services concerned - if the trains are
running every half hour, it's obviously better to build in a safety margin,
and so maybe 25 of the 40 minutes for the Victoria Line connection would be
spent just waiting...

IOW, you may well prefer what seems like a longer overall journey if you can
be sure that typical train lateness has little impact on its overall
duration. And maybe one day we'll have terminals on platforms that allow us
to check real-time running en-route ;-)

Regards,

- Alan (in Brussels)

Alan (in Brussels) wrote to uk.transport.london on Fri, 24 Sep 2004:

IOW, you may well prefer what seems like a longer overall journey if you can
be sure that typical train lateness has little impact on its overall
duration. And maybe one day we'll have terminals on platforms that allow us
to check real-time running en-route ;-)

But why faff about when there are trains every 15 minutes from Stansted
to Liverpool Street, and then Tube trains every few minutes on the
Hammersmith & City Line to Barking? I can't think why you'd want to go
to Fenchurch Street in the first place?
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 11 September 2004

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"Jiminy" a écrit dans le message de
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Arriving at Stansted Airport, suppose I'll take the Stansted
Express/Skytrain to Liverpool Street Station.

To go to Barking, may I be dropped along the route or I must go first
at Liverpool Str Station, then from there take the tube?

For instance, dropping at Tottenham Hale allow me to reach Barking
easily?

Or exists a better alternative?

Tnx for your feedback

As nobody here has so far pointed out, there's an on-line journey
planner which is smart enough to look at the various routes; the URL
is: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/planmyjourney/

You don't say exactly when you want to travel, so I can't give you more
specific advice, but just looking at the next few journeys indicates
that changing at Tottenham Hale & Blackhorse Rd. is the fastest (1h 29
min), while walking from Liverpool St to Fenchurch St would give 1h
35min. It even considers changing at Hackney (Downs/Central) & W. Ham
but that's even slower...

Regards,

- Alan (in Brussels - mind the spamtrap)




Even better, try tfl's version (via www.tfl.gov.uk) which has intimate
knowledge of the times of tube trains (national rail's version struggles
with first and last trains).

Lunchtime tomorrow came up with 1hr 17mins via Liverpool Street and Mile
End or 1hr 15mins, 1hr 17 mins, 1 hr 19mins or 1hr 21mins direct from
Liverpool Street to Barking on the H&C. H&C runs every 8 minutes at that
time, journey planner knows and works to the exact schedule, though (except
for first and last trains) this is being a bit precise for me!

With luggage its an easy decision to go for the direct train. (Note:
Journey Planner doesn't understand National Rail fares so the £3.00+ means
£3.00 plus the £ 13.80 single from Stansted to London).

Transport Direct (the new cross modal UK wide planner, see Rodger Ford's
column in Modern Railways) at www.transportdirect.co.uk also came up with
the route via Liverpool Street and Mile End but quoted 2hrs 17mins after
allowing 68 minutes for the 8 minute walk from Liverpool Street (National
Rail) to Liverpool Street (Underground)...

In article 0, David
Jackman writes
the 8 minute walk from Liverpool Street (National
Rail) to Liverpool Street (Underground)...

8? It's under a minute from the platforms the Stansted Express uses to
the Eastbound H&C. Even worst case (Westbound H&C to platform 18) is
only 2 or 3 minutes.


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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:26:35 +0100 Clive D. W. Feather clive@on-the-
train.demon.co.uk said...

8? It's under a minute from the platforms the Stansted Express uses to
the Eastbound H&C. Even worst case (Westbound H&C to platform 18) is
only 2 or 3 minutes.

No doubt the 8 minutes interchange is that built in to the journey
planner. May be for someone who has no luggage and is physically fit may
easily cope with the connection in a couple of minutes, other situations
may be different.

--
Phil Richards
London, UK
Home page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

Phil Richards wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:26:35 +0100 Clive D. W. Feather
clive@on-the- train.demon.co.uk said...

8? It's under a minute from the platforms the Stansted Express
uses to the Eastbound H&C. Even worst case (Westbound H&C to
platform 18) is only 2 or 3 minutes.

No doubt the 8 minutes interchange is that built in to the journey
planner. May be for someone who has no luggage and is physically
fit may easily cope with the connection in a couple of minutes,
other situations may be different.

The Journey Planner defaults to "Average" walking speed, which is quite
slow. I usually (if I remember) change it to "Fast", which used to be
about 3 mph. However the new version of the TfL JP has changed my
normal 10-minute walk to my local tube station to 16 minutes, so I'm not
sure what they're up to.

I've just tried to see what they use for Liverpool Street transfer
times, but they seem to have stopped quoting transfer times, which
further damages my confidence in the JP. (It seems to be giving ever
more bizarre results. For a journey yesterday, it asked me to get off a
bus in mid-journey and wait for the one behind on the same route with
the same destination! It also warned me about Hammersmith & City Line
delays on my *bus* route.)
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

In article ,
Richard J. wrote:
It also warned me about Hammersmith & City Line
delays on my *bus* route.)

This might not be _totally_ stupid; delays on the H&C might increase
loadings on parallel bus routes, which would increase journey times
on the busses too.

Of course, if the bus route was the W14 then that explaination
doesn't hold up.

--
You dont have to be illiterate to use the Internet, but it help's.

"Richard J." wrote in message ...
Phil Richards wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:26:35 +0100 Clive D. W. Feather
clive@on-the- train.demon.co.uk said...

8? It's under a minute from the platforms the Stansted Express
uses to the Eastbound H&C. Even worst case (Westbound H&C to
platform 18) is only 2 or 3 minutes.

No doubt the 8 minutes interchange is that built in to the journey
planner. May be for someone who has no luggage and is physically
fit may easily cope with the connection in a couple of minutes,
other situations may be different.

The Journey Planner defaults to "Average" walking speed, which is quite
slow. I usually (if I remember) change it to "Fast", which used to be
about 3 mph. However the new version of the TfL JP has changed my
normal 10-minute walk to my local tube station to 16 minutes, so I'm not
sure what they're up to.

I've just tried to see what they use for Liverpool Street transfer
times, but they seem to have stopped quoting transfer times, which
further damages my confidence in the JP. (It seems to be giving ever
more bizarre results. For a journey yesterday, it asked me to get off a
bus in mid-journey and wait for the one behind on the same route with
the same destination! It also warned me about Hammersmith & City Line
delays on my *bus* route.)

If you want a real laugh try www.transportdirect.info

First it offered car (46 minutes) on the M11, A414, A406, A118, A123,
and A124.

After I told the sodding thing not to drive, it declared that there
was no way of getting from Stansted Airport to Barking by public
transport...