On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:02:16 +0100 Tom Anderson
said...

ObUTL: Looking again at this map: the GOBLin has really poor
connections doesn't it!

It's got a lot of 'near misses', though:

Upper Holloway - Archway

Crouch Hill - Finsbury Park

Harringay Green Lanes - Harringay

Also Manor House

South Tottenham - Seven Sisters

--
Phil Richards
London, UK
Home page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, Phil Richards wrote:

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:02:16 +0100 Tom Anderson
said...

ObUTL: Looking again at this map: the GOBLin has really poor
connections doesn't it!

It's got a lot of 'near misses', though:

Upper Holloway - Archway

Crouch Hill - Finsbury Park

Harringay Green Lanes - Harringay

Also Manor House

True. In fact, once you look at it like this, the GOBLin is one of the
best-connected lines in London!

tom

--
For one thing at least is almost certain about the future, namely, that very much of it will be such as we should call incredible. -- Olaf Stapledon

Phil Richards wrote:
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:02:16 +0100 Tom Anderson
ObUTL: Looking again at this map: the GOBLin has really poor
connections doesn't it!

It's got a lot of 'near misses', though:
Upper Holloway - Archway
Crouch Hill - Finsbury Park
Harringay Green Lanes - Harringay
Also Manor House
South Tottenham - Seven Sisters

It's a disgrace that both the Goblin and the North London have so many
non-interchanges after 50 years of nationalised railways. There's not
much sign of Ken improving things either.

Of course, if they had usable interchanges, they'd need frequent and
longer trains to carry the passengers they'd divert from overloaded
tube trains.

Colin McKenzie

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:43:49 +0100 Colin McKenzie
said...

It's a disgrace that both the Goblin and the North London have so many
non-interchanges after 50 years of nationalised railways. There's not
much sign of Ken improving things either.

When it comes to interchanges (other than buses) then, no as that would
require huge reconstruction projects, re-routing lines etc.

However I think you'll find with "London Rail" rail services within the
TfL area will be going through some changes over the next few years.
Certainly TfL will have more say over service provision and (at long
last) hopefully are fares structure based on that of the tube - i.e. zone
to zone rather than point to point.

--
Phil Richards
London, UK
Home page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004, Phil Richards wrote:

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:43:49 +0100 Colin McKenzie
said...

It's a disgrace that both the Goblin and the North London have so many
non-interchanges after 50 years of nationalised railways. There's not
much sign of Ken improving things either.

When it comes to interchanges (other than buses) then, no as that would
require huge reconstruction projects, re-routing lines etc.

Not necessarily - there are a number of places where lines cross where
interchange stations could be built (or even where extra platforms could
be added to an existing station), without needing to move any lines.
Granted, this can still be quite expensive, but it's hardly 'huge
reconstruction'.

tom

--
VENN DIAGRAM THAT LOOK LIKE TWO BIG CIRCLES EQUAL BAD PUBLIC POLICY.

Colin McKenzie wrote:

Phil Richards wrote:
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:02:16 +0100 Tom Anderson
ObUTL: Looking again at this map: the GOBLin has really poor
connections doesn't it!

It's got a lot of 'near misses', though:
Upper Holloway - Archway
Crouch Hill - Finsbury Park

Over 1km away!

Harringay Green Lanes - Harringay

Those stations aren't close, but the line is. The GOBLIN should really
serve both.

Also Manor House

That's more a case of poor Tube design - 'tis the Piccadilly Line which
fails to have a station in the right place.

South Tottenham - Seven Sisters

It's a disgrace that both the Goblin and the North London have so many
non-interchanges after 50 years of nationalised railways. There's not
much sign of Ken improving things either.

Of course, if they had usable interchanges, they'd need frequent and
longer trains to carry the passengers they'd divert from overloaded
tube trains.

No, just frequent trains - or frequent trams!

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:33:18 +0930 Aidan Stanger
said...

Also Manor House

That's more a case of poor Tube design - 'tis the Piccadilly Line which
fails to have a station in the right place.

Some while back I raised a similar point about why there is such a big
station-less gap on the Piccadilly Line between Manor House and Turnpike
Lane. The answer given was that stations were located near to tram
interchanges when the line got built.

Ideally a station in the vicinity of the junction of Green Lanes & St
Ann's Road would be best IMO.

--
Phil Richards
London N4, UK
Home page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

Colin McKenzie wrote:
Phil Richards wrote:

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:02:16 +0100 Tom Anderson

ObUTL: Looking again at this map: the GOBLin has really poor
connections doesn't it!


It's got a lot of 'near misses', though:
Upper Holloway - Archway

Crouch Hill - Finsbury Park

Harringay Green Lanes - Harringay

Also Manor House

South Tottenham - Seven Sisters


It's a disgrace that both the Goblin and the North London have so many
non-interchanges after 50 years of nationalised railways. There's not
much sign of Ken improving things either.

Of course, if they had usable interchanges, they'd need frequent and
longer trains to carry the passengers they'd divert from overloaded tube
trains.

Colin McKenzie

The problem with this is that the Goblin is earmarked as a freight route
rather than a passenger one, and in order to increase passenger service
frequency on the North London Line, the Goblin will have to take more
freight - condemning it to an ever-poor passenger service.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

The North London Line is a disgrace - another reason is all the cruddy
stations.
I thought the Highbury + Islington gothic masterpiece station was
destroyed in the war, but thumbing through a book today I found
pictures of it post '45 albeit damaged. It turns out it was buldozed
in 1967. Likewise, Canonbury Station was bulldozed in 1969 to make way
for the Concrete portacabin style stations that replaced them. This
must have been to pave the way for the infamous GLC nonsense the
Northway urban motorway that was to go over the NLL. No room for
crenelated towers in the face of 6 lanes of flyover.

Dave Arquati wrote in message ...
Colin McKenzie wrote:
Phil Richards wrote:

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:02:16 +0100 Tom Anderson

ObUTL: Looking again at this map: the GOBLin has really poor
connections doesn't it!


It's got a lot of 'near misses', though:
Upper Holloway - Archway

Crouch Hill - Finsbury Park

Harringay Green Lanes - Harringay

Also Manor House

South Tottenham - Seven Sisters


It's a disgrace that both the Goblin and the North London have so many
non-interchanges after 50 years of nationalised railways. There's not
much sign of Ken improving things either.

Of course, if they had usable interchanges, they'd need frequent and
longer trains to carry the passengers they'd divert from overloaded tube
trains.

Colin McKenzie

The problem with this is that the Goblin is earmarked as a freight route
rather than a passenger one, and in order to increase passenger service
frequency on the North London Line, the Goblin will have to take more
freight - condemning it to an ever-poor passenger service.