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September 25th 04, 12:43 PM
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GOBLIN connections was Stansted to Barking
Phil Richards wrote:
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:02:16 +0100 Tom Anderson ObUTL: Looking again at this map: the GOBLin has really poor connections doesn't it! It's got a lot of 'near misses', though: Upper Holloway - Archway Crouch Hill - Finsbury Park Harringay Green Lanes - Harringay Also Manor House South Tottenham - Seven Sisters It's a disgrace that both the Goblin and the North London have so many non-interchanges after 50 years of nationalised railways. There's not much sign of Ken improving things either. Of course, if they had usable interchanges, they'd need frequent and longer trains to carry the passengers they'd divert from overloaded tube trains. Colin McKenzie |
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September 26th 04, 09:50 AM
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:43:49 +0100 Colin McKenzie
said... It's a disgrace that both the Goblin and the North London have so many non-interchanges after 50 years of nationalised railways. There's not much sign of Ken improving things either. When it comes to interchanges (other than buses) then, no as that would require huge reconstruction projects, re-routing lines etc. However I think you'll find with "London Rail" rail services within the TfL area will be going through some changes over the next few years. Certainly TfL will have more say over service provision and (at long last) hopefully are fares structure based on that of the tube - i.e. zone to zone rather than point to point. -- Phil Richards London, UK Home page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk |
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September 26th 04, 05:05 PM
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004, Phil Richards wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:43:49 +0100 Colin McKenzie said... It's a disgrace that both the Goblin and the North London have so many non-interchanges after 50 years of nationalised railways. There's not much sign of Ken improving things either. When it comes to interchanges (other than buses) then, no as that would require huge reconstruction projects, re-routing lines etc. Not necessarily - there are a number of places where lines cross where interchange stations could be built (or even where extra platforms could be added to an existing station), without needing to move any lines. Granted, this can still be quite expensive, but it's hardly 'huge reconstruction'. tom -- VENN DIAGRAM THAT LOOK LIKE TWO BIG CIRCLES EQUAL BAD PUBLIC POLICY. |
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September 26th 04, 03:03 PM
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Colin McKenzie wrote:
Phil Richards wrote: On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:02:16 +0100 Tom Anderson ObUTL: Looking again at this map: the GOBLin has really poor connections doesn't it! It's got a lot of 'near misses', though: Upper Holloway - Archway Crouch Hill - Finsbury Park Over 1km away! Harringay Green Lanes - Harringay Those stations aren't close, but the line is. The GOBLIN should really serve both. Also Manor House That's more a case of poor Tube design - 'tis the Piccadilly Line which fails to have a station in the right place. South Tottenham - Seven Sisters It's a disgrace that both the Goblin and the North London have so many non-interchanges after 50 years of nationalised railways. There's not much sign of Ken improving things either. Of course, if they had usable interchanges, they'd need frequent and longer trains to carry the passengers they'd divert from overloaded tube trains. No, just frequent trains - or frequent trams! |
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September 26th 04, 10:41 PM
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On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:33:18 +0930 Aidan Stanger
said... Also Manor House That's more a case of poor Tube design - 'tis the Piccadilly Line which fails to have a station in the right place. Some while back I raised a similar point about why there is such a big station-less gap on the Piccadilly Line between Manor House and Turnpike Lane. The answer given was that stations were located near to tram interchanges when the line got built. Ideally a station in the vicinity of the junction of Green Lanes & St Ann's Road would be best IMO. -- Phil Richards London N4, UK Home page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk |
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September 26th 04, 12:32 AM
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Colin McKenzie wrote:
Phil Richards wrote: On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:02:16 +0100 Tom Anderson ObUTL: Looking again at this map: the GOBLin has really poor connections doesn't it! It's got a lot of 'near misses', though: Upper Holloway - Archway Crouch Hill - Finsbury Park Harringay Green Lanes - Harringay Also Manor House South Tottenham - Seven Sisters It's a disgrace that both the Goblin and the North London have so many non-interchanges after 50 years of nationalised railways. There's not much sign of Ken improving things either. Of course, if they had usable interchanges, they'd need frequent and longer trains to carry the passengers they'd divert from overloaded tube trains. Colin McKenzie The problem with this is that the Goblin is earmarked as a freight route rather than a passenger one, and in order to increase passenger service frequency on the North London Line, the Goblin will have to take more freight - condemning it to an ever-poor passenger service. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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October 26th 04, 12:25 PM
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The North London Line is a disgrace - another reason is all the cruddy
stations. I thought the Highbury + Islington gothic masterpiece station was destroyed in the war, but thumbing through a book today I found pictures of it post '45 albeit damaged. It turns out it was buldozed in 1967. Likewise, Canonbury Station was bulldozed in 1969 to make way for the Concrete portacabin style stations that replaced them. This must have been to pave the way for the infamous GLC nonsense the Northway urban motorway that was to go over the NLL. No room for crenelated towers in the face of 6 lanes of flyover. Dave Arquati wrote in message ... Colin McKenzie wrote: Phil Richards wrote: On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:02:16 +0100 Tom Anderson ObUTL: Looking again at this map: the GOBLin has really poor connections doesn't it! It's got a lot of 'near misses', though: Upper Holloway - Archway Crouch Hill - Finsbury Park Harringay Green Lanes - Harringay Also Manor House South Tottenham - Seven Sisters It's a disgrace that both the Goblin and the North London have so many non-interchanges after 50 years of nationalised railways. There's not much sign of Ken improving things either. Of course, if they had usable interchanges, they'd need frequent and longer trains to carry the passengers they'd divert from overloaded tube trains. Colin McKenzie The problem with this is that the Goblin is earmarked as a freight route rather than a passenger one, and in order to increase passenger service frequency on the North London Line, the Goblin will have to take more freight - condemning it to an ever-poor passenger service. |
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