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From the TfL website:

**********************
We have not operated any Tubes on Christmas Day since 1982. There is
very little demand for services as the majority of Londoners do not
work on Christmas Day and over 70% of London's population leave the
capital during the festive period. Limited bus services operate
to/from the major airports and in central London. Please call Travel
Information on 020 7222 1234 to find out more.
**********************

70% ?? Can this really be true? So London's population (being ~8
million depending how you count) drops to ~2.4 million at Christmas?
Surely this cannot be true.

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From the TfL website:

**********************
We have not operated any Tubes on Christmas Day since 1982. There is
very little demand for services as the majority of Londoners do not
work on Christmas Day and over 70% of London's population leave the
capital during the festive period. Limited bus services operate
to/from the major airports and in central London. Please call Travel
Information on 020 7222 1234 to find out more.
**********************

70% ?? Can this really be true? So London's population (being ~8
million depending how you count) drops to ~2.4 million at Christmas?
Surely this cannot be true.


Perhaps they mean the working population - not just residents?


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From the TfL website:

**********************
We have not operated any Tubes on Christmas Day since 1982. There is
very little demand for services as the majority of Londoners do not
work on Christmas Day and over 70% of London's population leave the
capital during the festive period. Limited bus services operate
to/from the major airports and in central London. Please call Travel
Information on 020 7222 1234 to find out more.
**********************

70% ?? Can this really be true? So London's population (being ~8
million depending how you count) drops to ~2.4 million at Christmas?
Surely this cannot be true.



Dunno I'm never there on Christmas Day.

Seriously, do you think they mean Central London?


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Jase wrote:

From the TfL website:

**********************
We have not operated any Tubes on Christmas Day since 1982. There is
very little demand for services as the majority of Londoners do not
work on Christmas Day and over 70% of London's population leave the
capital during the festive period. Limited bus services operate
to/from the major airports and in central London. Please call Travel
Information on 020 7222 1234 to find out more.
**********************

70% ?? Can this really be true? So London's population (being ~8
million depending how you count) drops to ~2.4 million at Christmas?
Surely this cannot be true.


I too am usually away at Christmas. However, when I have been here, I
can't think that my street has been 70% empty.

I wouldn't believe TfL statistics anyway.

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"Nick H (UK)" wrote:
Jase wrote:
From the TfL website:
**********************
We have not operated any Tubes on Christmas Day since 1982. There is
very little demand for services as the majority of Londoners do not
work on Christmas Day and over 70% of London's population leave the
capital during the festive period. Limited bus services operate
to/from the major airports and in central London. Please call Travel
Information on 020 7222 1234 to find out more.
**********************
70% ?? Can this really be true? So London's population (being ~8
million depending how you count) drops to ~2.4 million at Christmas?
Surely this cannot be true.

I too am usually away at Christmas. However, when I have been here, I
can't think that my street has been 70% empty.
I wouldn't believe TfL statistics anyway.


Wow! That sounds like a home-breakers paradise!

It sounds like the only people left in London would be the homeless &
the police.

If 70% leave, that must mean that the petrol-stations, planes, trains,
tube, buses, etc. must all have a very profitable December to help all
these people to get out of town.

Wait a moment, those people can't take the tube or buses, their
services are reduced!

And in what magical way, all these people leave town needs to be
studied by the gov't, so they'll have a better idea of how to clear
out the town during national disasters & terrorist attacks.

Where do all those people go?

Maybe the people stop using the buses & tube, because there is no
service! Hhhhmmmmm?!


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"Nick H (UK)" wrote:
Jase wrote:

From the TfL website:
**********************
We have not operated any Tubes on Christmas Day since 1982. There is
very little demand for services as the majority of Londoners do not
work on Christmas Day and over 70% of London's population leave the
capital during the festive period. Limited bus services operate
to/from the major airports and in central London. Please call Travel
Information on 020 7222 1234 to find out more.
**********************
70% ?? Can this really be true? So London's population (being ~8
million depending how you count) drops to ~2.4 million at Christmas?
Surely this cannot be true.


I too am usually away at Christmas. However, when I have been here, I
can't think that my street has been 70% empty.
I wouldn't believe TfL statistics anyway.



Wow! That sounds like a home-breakers paradise!

It sounds like the only people left in London would be the homeless &
the police.

If 70% leave, that must mean that the petrol-stations, planes, trains,
tube, buses, etc. must all have a very profitable December to help all
these people to get out of town.

Wait a moment, those people can't take the tube or buses, their
services are reduced!

And in what magical way, all these people leave town needs to be
studied by the gov't, so they'll have a better idea of how to clear
out the town during national disasters & terrorist attacks.

Where do all those people go?

Maybe the people stop using the buses & tube, because there is no
service! Hhhhmmmmm?!


Well obviously they don't leave on Christmas Day. Ever wondered why
trains on the 22nd-24th are so busy?

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www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London
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Yikes !
TfL appear to have become a well of interesting,infuriating yet usually
unverifiable statistics........
I remember reading one such nugget a while back which told a breathless
world that it`s bus network catered for something in the region of 6
wheelchair journeys per day......
Mr Churchill may indeed have had a point when he spoke of Lies,damn
lies.......and then Statistics...?


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"Alek" wrote in message
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Yikes !
TfL appear to have become a well of interesting,infuriating yet usually
unverifiable statistics........
I remember reading one such nugget a while back which told a breathless
world that it`s bus network catered for something in the region of 6
wheelchair journeys per day......
Mr Churchill may indeed have had a point when he spoke of Lies,damn
lies.......and then Statistics...?


I am sure in this case there may be some truth that the demand for
public-transport services drops hugely over the Christmas break - because
most people take holiday - my office, for example, closes between Christmas
Eve and New Years Day. If they'd said 70% of the working population are not
at work on Christmas Day this might be an underestimate - but they didn't.
As you say, interesting but unverifiable - therefore inuriating! Probably
the press-officers' fault - removing sources and qualifications supposedly
to make things more 'readable'.


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umpston wrote:
"Alek" wrote in message
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Yikes !
TfL appear to have become a well of interesting,infuriating yet usually
unverifiable statistics........
I remember reading one such nugget a while back which told a breathless
world that it`s bus network catered for something in the region of 6
wheelchair journeys per day......
Mr Churchill may indeed have had a point when he spoke of Lies,damn
lies.......and then Statistics...?



I am sure in this case there may be some truth that the demand for
public-transport services drops hugely over the Christmas break - because
most people take holiday - my office, for example, closes between Christmas
Eve and New Years Day. If they'd said 70% of the working population are not
at work on Christmas Day this might be an underestimate - but they didn't.
As you say, interesting but unverifiable - therefore inuriating!


Probably
the press-officers' fault - removing sources and qualifications supposedly
to make things more 'readable'.


I would suspect TfL of being a highly political organisation that makes
its 'statistics' prove what it wants to say, whatever they are.



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"Jase" wrote in message
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From the TfL website:

**********************
We have not operated any Tubes on Christmas Day since 1982. There is
very little demand for services as the majority of Londoners do not
work on Christmas Day and over 70% of London's population leave the
capital during the festive period. Limited bus services operate
to/from the major airports and in central London. Please call Travel
Information on 020 7222 1234 to find out more.
**********************

70% ?? Can this really be true? So London's population (being ~8
million depending how you count) drops to ~2.4 million at Christmas?
Surely this cannot be true.



Its no help to those of us that *have* to work Christmas Day... No Busses,
no trains no LUL... And I have to get 12 miles from home to my office...

Joy...


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