Are tube drivers allowed to have a non-LUL pal in the cab with them and
let them press the buttons that make the train go?

I presume not, though I saw it happen yesterday - it was a really old
guy, maybe the driver's father-in-law or something), and as I was
sitting in the front carriage, I could hear things like "oooh!" and
"you've just made the train go!".

I'm not going to say where this happened, as the old guy was obviously
totally ecstatic to be allowed to do it - but I just presume it's not
exactly a regular occurrence?!

You sure it was`nt old Mr Livingston........????

Alek wrote:
You sure it was`nt old Mr Livingston........????

Hehe, only if he's *really* aged!

Train Ops have terrible silly sense of humour.....it helps to pass the time.
It could have been a Duty Manager, they dont wear the blue uniform anymore
and some are really old.
But the actual answer is NO. Distraction is a big issue. No one is allowed
in the cab unless on company business. And even off duty staff (managers
included), can be refused entry by the operator.

"Dave Newt" newtonline{AT}gmail.com wrote in message
t.net...


Alek wrote:
You sure it was`nt old Mr Livingston........????

Hehe, only if he's *really* aged!

"Malcolm & Nika"
And even off duty staff (managers
included), can be refused entry by the operator.

"Dave Newt"

bone of contention here! An off duty Manager with a cab pass - some still
reckon they are always "on duty" -
Therefore if an incident requires it they enter the cab despite all the
refusals in the world from the T/Op who is powerless. Then have you
forgotten the NVQ assessors with the TDLB [Training and Development Lead
Body] D32/33 certification? they can just come in anytime they want to and
these include some Instructor Operators too!

redT

Its your cab....you can refuse.....More incidents happen because of a
distraction in the cab than for any other reason.

"redtube" wrote in message
...

"Malcolm & Nika"
And even off duty staff (managers
included), can be refused entry by the operator.

"Dave Newt"

bone of contention here! An off duty Manager with a cab pass - some still
reckon they are always "on duty" -
Therefore if an incident requires it they enter the cab despite all the
refusals in the world from the T/Op who is powerless. Then have you
forgotten the NVQ assessors with the TDLB [Training and Development Lead
Body] D32/33 certification? they can just come in anytime they want to
and
these include some Instructor Operators too!

redT

"Malcolm & Nika" wrote in message
...
Its your cab....you can refuse.....

This is total nonesense, where you get that from? must be in the days when
men where Motormen.






"redtube" wrote in message
...

"Malcolm & Nika"
And even off duty staff (managers
included), can be refused entry by the operator.

"Dave Newt"

bone of contention here! An off duty Manager with a cab pass - some
still
reckon they are always "on duty" -
Therefore if an incident requires it they enter the cab despite all the
refusals in the world from the T/Op who is powerless. Then have you
forgotten the NVQ assessors with the TDLB [Training and Development Lead
Body] D32/33 certification? they can just come in anytime they want to
and
these include some Instructor Operators too!

redT

Malcolm & Nika wrote:

Train Ops have terrible silly sense of humour.....it helps to pass the time.
It could have been a Duty Manager, they dont wear the blue uniform anymore
and some are really old.

No - it definitely wasn't, but I'm not going to describe the situation
in detail

But the actual answer is NO. Distraction is a big issue. No one is allowed
in the cab unless on company business. And even off duty staff (managers
included), can be refused entry by the operator.

That's what I figured.

Thanks,

In message ,
redtube writes

"Malcolm & Nika" wrote in message
...
Its your cab....you can refuse.....

This is total nonesense, where you get that from? must be in the days
when men where Motormen.



From 67 to71 you couldn''t refuse a senior person entering your cab, but
you could refuse to proceed , or demand that the person took
responsibility for any thing that happened whilst he was there.
--
Clive.

In message ,
redtube writes

Its your cab....you can refuse.....

This is total nonesense, where you get that from? must be in the days when
men where Motormen.

Is what I was told in my training.

Unless they have an official operational reason to be there (HMRI,
Manager needing to check track etc.) Bottom line was if you're not
happy for safety reasons or whatever, you can refuse.
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