"By 2004, the DVLA aims to have merged driver, vehicle and insurance
records into a "single or virtually single" database from which the
number-plate microchips will be programmed".

http://www.geocities.com/lclane2/microchips.html

Anyone have any updates on how this plan is getting along?

"By 2004, the DVLA aims to have merged driver, vehicle and insurance
records into a "single or virtually single" database from which the
number-plate microchips will be programmed".

http://www.geocities.com/lclane2/microchips.html

Anyone have any updates on how this plan is getting along?

Anything relating to a Government department and an IT initiative usually
ends up in millions of taxpayers money being wasted over several years and
then the whole lot being scrapped as it suddenly becomes unworkable and too
expensive. There is then another 2 years of Public Accounts Committee
inquiry - with more money wasted on accountants and solicitors trying to
work out what went wrong, by which time, nobody cares because the
governments already got it's eye on another Big White Elephant.

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 03:22:13 -0800, Matthew Church wrote:

"By 2004, the DVLA aims to have merged driver, vehicle and insurance
records into a "single or virtually single" database from which the
number-plate microchips will be programmed".

http://www.geocities.com/lclane2/microchips.html

Anyone have any updates on how this plan is getting along?

Well, the last I heard (and there's about 45 days left in 2004) you
couldn't buy Microchipped plates.

If true it's a typical Public Sector IT project i.e. it doesn't work.

It will annoy a lot of people, and the chips will be as tamper proof as
the others, i.e. not at all. Or people will simply bust them (can you
imagine the amount of hammering electronics on a car number plate will
take).

Or you could simply fake a plate that looks like a real one - so how will
the "automatic detection" know if a car is there or not ?

How will it cope with people who are insured rather than cars - people on
company insurance ?

How will it know the driver is insured to drive the car - all it will know
is that there is *some* insurance on the car.

It can't surely store "insurance validity" - if you cancel insurance will
you detach the plates and take them in so they can be reprogrammed ?

What will happen regarding foreign registered vehicles ?

Getting Microchips for £1.00 is no problem ; hell they are cheaper than
that. Getting something that will work and keep working for £1.00 is a
different matter entirely.

"Paul Robson" wrote in
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On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 03:22:13 -0800, Matthew Church wrote:

"By 2004, the DVLA aims to have merged driver, vehicle and insurance
records into a "single or virtually single" database from which the
number-plate microchips will be programmed".

http://www.geocities.com/lclane2/microchips.html

Anyone have any updates on how this plan is getting along?

Well, the last I heard (and there's about 45 days left in 2004) you
couldn't buy Microchipped plates.

If true it's a typical Public Sector IT project i.e. it doesn't work.

It will annoy a lot of people, and the chips will be as tamper proof as
the others, i.e. not at all. Or people will simply bust them (can you
imagine the amount of hammering electronics on a car number plate will
take).

Or you could simply fake a plate that looks like a real one - so how will
the "automatic detection" know if a car is there or not ?

How will it cope with people who are insured rather than cars - people on
company insurance ?

How will it know the driver is insured to drive the car - all it will know
is that there is *some* insurance on the car.

It can't surely store "insurance validity" - if you cancel insurance will
you detach the plates and take them in so they can be reprogrammed ?

What will happen regarding foreign registered vehicles ?

Getting Microchips for £1.00 is no problem ; hell they are cheaper than
that. Getting something that will work and keep working for £1.00 is a
different matter entirely.

And
that is why all cars should have a tachometer,
that is taken into the post office every year and any outstanding speeding
fines , parking tickets and indicator abuse can be payed up to date with
neccasary points added to your licence etc etc etc.

Thus the post office would survive
the criminal car driver would'nt thrive,
and more pedestrians would stay alive.








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On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 03:22:13 -0800, Matthew Church wrote:

"By 2004, the DVLA aims to have merged driver, vehicle and insurance
records into a "single or virtually single" database from which the
number-plate microchips will be programmed".

http://www.geocities.com/lclane2/microchips.html

Anyone have any updates on how this plan is getting along?

Well, the last I heard (and there's about 45 days left in 2004) you
couldn't buy Microchipped plates.

If true it's a typical Public Sector IT project i.e. it doesn't work.

It will annoy a lot of people, and the chips will be as tamper proof as
the others, i.e. not at all. Or people will simply bust them (can you
imagine the amount of hammering electronics on a car number plate will
take).

Or you could simply fake a plate that looks like a real one - so how
will
the "automatic detection" know if a car is there or not ?

How will it cope with people who are insured rather than cars - people
on
company insurance ?

How will it know the driver is insured to drive the car - all it will
know
is that there is *some* insurance on the car.

It can't surely store "insurance validity" - if you cancel insurance
will
you detach the plates and take them in so they can be reprogrammed ?

What will happen regarding foreign registered vehicles ?

Getting Microchips for £1.00 is no problem ; hell they are cheaper than
that. Getting something that will work and keep working for £1.00 is a
different matter entirely.

And
that is why all cars should have a tachometer,
that is taken into the post office every year and any outstanding speeding
fines , parking tickets and indicator abuse can be payed up to date with
neccasary points added to your licence etc etc etc.

Thus the post office would survive
the criminal car driver would'nt thrive,
and more pedestrians would stay alive.

thats ********, the post office survives anyway
"criminal car drivers" can simply get the license plate changed to a
registered one or just take in a registered number plate and more
pedestrians wouldnt stay alive, think about it; nobody will know that the
pedestrian will get run over until it happens, until then you cant stop it
happening without affecting the majority, and after its happened theyre
going to drive much more carefully and i highly doubt it would happen twice.
the government should not be allowed to govern our lives to this extent, its
a threat to the security of our society.
also what if the tachometer stops working?
what about foreign cars?
what about car manufacturers that decide not to put them into their cars?
they cant be shut down, most of them are foreign and they cant shut down a
car manufacturer n the UK, think of the job losses and tax losses

Well, the last I heard (and there's about 45 days left in 2004) you
couldn't buy Microchipped plates.

If true it's a typical Public Sector IT project i.e. it doesn't work.

Quite likely! My wife works in the NHS and you should hear
about the amount they waste on failed IT projects.

It will annoy a lot of people, and the chips will be as tamper proof as
the others, i.e. not at all. Or people will simply bust them (can you
imagine the amount of hammering electronics on a car number plate will
take).

This article is very misleading. The microchip is actually a transponder
which sends out a unique identifier when read by an appropriate device.
It does not in itself contain any information and is a sealed unit. There
is
no programming interface, the ID is set by the manufacturer in the
manufacturing process. That unique identifier will be used to look up the
information on the computer database. The system is actually no
different from what is in existence now with automatic number plate
readers fitted to cameras and police cars. These microchips are
tansponders and are highly robust, and making a reading of the ID
is easier than reading a written number plate, which could be
mis-represented, dirty, or just hard to read due to ambient conditions.
Transponders suffer none of these problems.

Or you could simply fake a plate that looks like a real one - so how will
the "automatic detection" know if a car is there or not ?

Because the device reading the microchip will not detect its existence in
the plate. Simple - if it ain't there, then it is fake!

How will it cope with people who are insured rather than cars - people on
company insurance ?

Because on policies that have multiple vehicles and multiple drivers the
cars are explicitly detailed on the policy. This in nothing new, the
insurance / tax & mot status of all vehicles is already part of a database
(MID for insurance) which the police can look up live now by reading
your number plate. There are many police cars with this system
already fitted, and it is used very sucessfully.

How will it know the driver is insured to drive the car - all it will know
is that there is *some* insurance on the car.

as above - nothing new. Just because you are stopped does not
mean you are instantly guilty, it just means that there is no
record of insurance for that vehicle (or of you being insured to
drive it) if you can later produce documentary evidence to the
police then no action is taken - this is no different from what
happens now when you get a producer.

It can't surely store "insurance validity" - if you cancel insurance will
you detach the plates and take them in so they can be reprogrammed ?

What will happen regarding foreign registered vehicles ?

Such a miniscule problem, why worry?

Getting Microchips for £1.00 is no problem ; hell they are cheaper than
that. Getting something that will work and keep working for £1.00 is a
different matter entirely.

I started work using transponders 15 years ago for an identification
system in which they were subject to an industrial washing process,
then temperatures of nearly 200deg C and they continued to work
just fine!

Anything that helps stop scum get away with no insurance/tax/mot
has to be good. If it inconveniences legal motorists (although
highly unlikely) then so what.

Matt.

what about car manufacturers that decide not to put them into their cars?
they cant be shut down, most of them are foreign and they cant shut down a
car manufacturer n the UK, think of the job losses and tax losses

WTF are you on about? That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
However, given your unsucessful atempts to produce sentences in English,
your comment does not come as a complete surprise.

Are you seriously suggesting that if a car manufacturer decides to produce
a car that does not confirm to UK legal standards (e.g. they decide that
the indicators do not look good on their new car, so they don't bother
putting
them on) that the government will be unable to stop these cars from being
used legally? The government sets legal standards for motor vehicles. If
manufacturers do not produce vehicles that abide by those standards,
then they cannot be used on the public highway, simple as that.

Matt

In message , Matthew
Maddock writes

Or you could simply fake a plate that looks like a real one - so how will
the "automatic detection" know if a car is there or not ?

Because the device reading the microchip will not detect its existence in
the plate. Simple - if it ain't there, then it is fake!

From the transponder reader's pov, what's the difference between a car
without a transponder and an empty space without a transponder?


What will happen regarding foreign registered vehicles ?

Such a miniscule problem, why worry?

I'd like to know what will happen to foreign visitors if they bring
their cars to the UK. Will the cars be impounded? How will the system
detect a foreign car?

--
Mike

Or you could simply fake a plate that looks like a real one - so how
will
the "automatic detection" know if a car is there or not ?

Because the device reading the microchip will not detect its existence in
the plate. Simple - if it ain't there, then it is fake!

From the transponder reader's pov, what's the difference between a car
without a transponder and an empty space without a transponder?

Presumably the system would be tied up with an appropriate
camera which would detect the presence of a vehicle, but I take
your point, and failing such a system it would depend on a person
being present - say in a police car which had the facility to read
the transponder.

What will happen regarding foreign registered vehicles ?

Such a miniscule problem, why worry?

I'd like to know what will happen to foreign visitors if they bring their
cars to the UK. Will the cars be impounded?

Presumably if they commit an offence, they would be dealt with
in the same way they are now. AIUI they are fast-tracked
through the magistrates court if necessary. If they are not
committing an offence, then there is no problem.

Like I said, such a tiny problem, why worry? Let their own
country deal with them - we reportedly have over one million
uninsured motorists in the UK, lets worry about those first!

How will the system detect a foreign car?

You could say the same thing about the current system
of number plate recognition - the UK system is setup
to read UK number plates, not foreign ones - same
problem.

I do believe that this sort of device is the way forward. I'm
not saying that it will be without its own set of problems, but
if one million motorists are happily driving around uninsured,
then the current system is far from acceptable. Whether
the public sector has the ability to pull it off remains to
be seen!!

Matt.

In message , Matthew
Maddock writes
If manufacturers do not produce vehicles that abide by those
standards, then they cannot be used on the public highway, simple as
that.

Matt
That'll be why the government can't stop Citroen from fitting asbestos
brake pads then.
--
Clive.