"Peter Lawrence" wrote:

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 07:17:38 +0000, Mrs Redboots
wrote:

James wrote to uk.transport.london on Mon, 22 Nov 2004:

It's easy: get off at Vauxhall, get on the Victoria Line, get off at
KXSP. That is one of the easiest cross-London transfers ever. If your
particular train doesn't stop at Vauxhall, perhaps you would like to
lobby SWT to stop it there.

All those steps? With heavy luggage? I *don't* think so.

Perhaps when they close Waterloo Intl they can be persuaded to move
some of the redundant escalators to Vauxhall?


I think I have a solution to the problem.

Run frequent domestic services between Waterloo (formerly)
International and Ashford International (via CTRL Phase 1) using the
paths freed up by the withdrawal of Eurostar services.

Problem solved? I think so.

An aspect of this subject which has not been aired here is the fact that
St.Pancras/KX from a public transport point of view is the most overcrowded
in London and distribution of passengers from there is extremely
problematical.This is greatly exacerbated at peak times. This problem will
not be helped by the arrival of the CTRLDS and the absence of an upgraded
Thameslink (3,000?).
MJW

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:10:06 -0000, "M.Whitson"
wrote:

An aspect of this subject which has not been aired here is the fact that
St.Pancras/KX from a public transport point of view is the most overcrowded
in London and distribution of passengers from there is extremely
problematical.This is greatly exacerbated at peak times. This problem will
not be helped by the arrival of the CTRLDS and the absence of an upgraded
Thameslink (3,000?).
MJW



Agreed. The London transport planning community is well aware of this,
hence TfL's plans for LUL upgrades as well as the continuous review
the bus network undergoes....

Rob.
--
rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk

"M.Whitson" wrote:

An aspect of this subject which has not been aired here is the fact that
St.Pancras/KX from a public transport point of view is the most overcrowded
in London and distribution of passengers from there is extremely
problematical.This is greatly exacerbated at peak times. This problem will
not be helped by the arrival of the CTRLDS and the absence of an upgraded
Thameslink (3,000?).


All very good points, and all true.

In message , at 21:10:06 on Wed,
24 Nov 2004, M.Whitson remarked:
An aspect of this subject which has not been aired here is the fact that
St.Pancras/KX from a public transport point of view is the most overcrowded
in London and distribution of passengers from there is extremely
problematical.This is greatly exacerbated at peak times. This problem will
not be helped by the arrival of the CTRLDS and the absence of an upgraded
Thameslink (3,000?).

Perhaps you've not noticed that KX/StP is currently in the midst of a
huge rebuilding programme to address these very issues?
--
Roland Perry

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:10:51 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 21:10:06 on Wed,
24 Nov 2004, M.Whitson remarked:
An aspect of this subject which has not been aired here is the fact that
St.Pancras/KX from a public transport point of view is the most overcrowded
in London and distribution of passengers from there is extremely
problematical.This is greatly exacerbated at peak times. This problem will
not be helped by the arrival of the CTRLDS and the absence of an upgraded
Thameslink (3,000?).

Perhaps you've not noticed that KX/StP is currently in the midst of a
huge rebuilding programme to address these very issues?

Which has now been cut back due to cost over-runs, so its adequacy
must be in doubt.
--
Peter Lawrence

"Peter Lawrence" wrote:

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:10:51 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 21:10:06 on Wed,
24 Nov 2004, M.Whitson remarked:
An aspect of this subject which has not been aired here is the fact that
St.Pancras/KX from a public transport point of view is the most overcrowded
in London and distribution of passengers from there is extremely
problematical.This is greatly exacerbated at peak times. This problem will
not be helped by the arrival of the CTRLDS and the absence of an upgraded
Thameslink (3,000?).

Perhaps you've not noticed that KX/StP is currently in the midst of a
huge rebuilding programme to address these very issues?

Which has now been cut back due to cost over-runs, so its adequacy
must be in doubt.


Exactly so. In particular, the provision for Thameslink services will
be grossly inadequate.

In article ,
(TP) wrote:

"Peter Lawrence" wrote:

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:10:51 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 21:10:06 on
Wed, 24 Nov 2004, M.Whitson :
An aspect of this subject which has not been aired here is the fact
that St.Pancras/KX from a public transport point of view is the most
overcrowded in London and distribution of passengers from there is
extremely problematical.This is greatly exacerbated at peak times.
This problem will not be helped by the arrival of the CTRLDS and the
absence of an upgraded Thameslink (3,000?).

Perhaps you've not noticed that KX/StP is currently in the midst of a
huge rebuilding programme to address these very issues?

Which has now been cut back due to cost over-runs, so its adequacy
must be in doubt.

Exactly so. In particular, the provision for Thameslink services will
be grossly inadequate.

There won't be *any* provision for Thameslink services in the new King's
Cross/St Pancras in 2007.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

--- Colin Rosenstiel said (about the rbuilding works at Kings X)...
(TP) wrote:


Exactly so. In particular, the provision for Thameslink services
will be grossly inadequate.

There won't be *any* provision for Thameslink services in the
new King's Cross/St Pancras in 2007.


So, why do we have the current Thameslink blockade? Isn't it to do with
needing possession of the line to create the provision of new Thameslink
interchange services? And if they're not going ahead with the
provision, why bother with blockading the line in the first place?

(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote in message ...

There won't be *any* provision for Thameslink services in the new King's
Cross/St Pancras in 2007.

Not *in*, but *under*, St. Pancras though, surely? The lack of
provision will be the distance of the new Thameslink station from
King's Cross main line station - certainly no closer, and possibly
even further from parts of King's Cross than the current Thameslink
station is.