An aspect of this subject which has not been aired here is the fact that
St.Pancras/KX from a public transport point of view is the most overcrowded
in London and distribution of passengers from there is extremely
problematical.This is greatly exacerbated at peak times. This problem will
not be helped by the arrival of the CTRLDS and the absence of an upgraded
Thameslink (3,000?).
MJW

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:10:06 -0000, "M.Whitson"
wrote:

An aspect of this subject which has not been aired here is the fact that
St.Pancras/KX from a public transport point of view is the most overcrowded
in London and distribution of passengers from there is extremely
problematical.This is greatly exacerbated at peak times. This problem will
not be helped by the arrival of the CTRLDS and the absence of an upgraded
Thameslink (3,000?).
MJW



Agreed. The London transport planning community is well aware of this,
hence TfL's plans for LUL upgrades as well as the continuous review
the bus network undergoes....

Rob.
--
rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk

"M.Whitson" wrote:

An aspect of this subject which has not been aired here is the fact that
St.Pancras/KX from a public transport point of view is the most overcrowded
in London and distribution of passengers from there is extremely
problematical.This is greatly exacerbated at peak times. This problem will
not be helped by the arrival of the CTRLDS and the absence of an upgraded
Thameslink (3,000?).


All very good points, and all true.

In message , at 21:10:06 on Wed,
24 Nov 2004, M.Whitson remarked:
An aspect of this subject which has not been aired here is the fact that
St.Pancras/KX from a public transport point of view is the most overcrowded
in London and distribution of passengers from there is extremely
problematical.This is greatly exacerbated at peak times. This problem will
not be helped by the arrival of the CTRLDS and the absence of an upgraded
Thameslink (3,000?).

Perhaps you've not noticed that KX/StP is currently in the midst of a
huge rebuilding programme to address these very issues?
--
Roland Perry

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:10:51 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 21:10:06 on Wed,
24 Nov 2004, M.Whitson remarked:
An aspect of this subject which has not been aired here is the fact that
St.Pancras/KX from a public transport point of view is the most overcrowded
in London and distribution of passengers from there is extremely
problematical.This is greatly exacerbated at peak times. This problem will
not be helped by the arrival of the CTRLDS and the absence of an upgraded
Thameslink (3,000?).

Perhaps you've not noticed that KX/StP is currently in the midst of a
huge rebuilding programme to address these very issues?

Which has now been cut back due to cost over-runs, so its adequacy
must be in doubt.
--
Peter Lawrence

"Peter Lawrence" wrote:

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:10:51 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 21:10:06 on Wed,
24 Nov 2004, M.Whitson remarked:
An aspect of this subject which has not been aired here is the fact that
St.Pancras/KX from a public transport point of view is the most overcrowded
in London and distribution of passengers from there is extremely
problematical.This is greatly exacerbated at peak times. This problem will
not be helped by the arrival of the CTRLDS and the absence of an upgraded
Thameslink (3,000?).

Perhaps you've not noticed that KX/StP is currently in the midst of a
huge rebuilding programme to address these very issues?

Which has now been cut back due to cost over-runs, so its adequacy
must be in doubt.


Exactly so. In particular, the provision for Thameslink services will
be grossly inadequate.

In article ,
(TP) wrote:

"Peter Lawrence" wrote:

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:10:51 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 21:10:06 on
Wed, 24 Nov 2004, M.Whitson :
An aspect of this subject which has not been aired here is the fact
that St.Pancras/KX from a public transport point of view is the most
overcrowded in London and distribution of passengers from there is
extremely problematical.This is greatly exacerbated at peak times.
This problem will not be helped by the arrival of the CTRLDS and the
absence of an upgraded Thameslink (3,000?).

Perhaps you've not noticed that KX/StP is currently in the midst of a
huge rebuilding programme to address these very issues?

Which has now been cut back due to cost over-runs, so its adequacy
must be in doubt.

Exactly so. In particular, the provision for Thameslink services will
be grossly inadequate.

There won't be *any* provision for Thameslink services in the new King's
Cross/St Pancras in 2007.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

--- Colin Rosenstiel said (about the rbuilding works at Kings X)...
(TP) wrote:


Exactly so. In particular, the provision for Thameslink services
will be grossly inadequate.

There won't be *any* provision for Thameslink services in the
new King's Cross/St Pancras in 2007.


So, why do we have the current Thameslink blockade? Isn't it to do with
needing possession of the line to create the provision of new Thameslink
interchange services? And if they're not going ahead with the
provision, why bother with blockading the line in the first place?

"Solar Penguin" wrote in message
...


So, why do we have the current Thameslink blockade? Isn't it to do with
needing possession of the line to create the provision of new Thameslink
interchange services? And if they're not going ahead with the
provision, why bother with blockading the line in the first place?

It is in order to excavate the area where the new St. Pancras Midland Road
station will be and to install the concrete box into which the station will
(eventually) be installed and fitted out. Imagine City Thameslink with
nothing there apart from walls.

In article ,
(Solar Penguin) wrote:

--- Colin Rosenstiel said (about the rbuilding works at Kings X)...
(TP) wrote:


Exactly so. In particular, the provision for Thameslink services
will be grossly inadequate.

There won't be *any* provision for Thameslink services in the
new King's Cross/St Pancras in 2007.


So, why do we have the current Thameslink blockade? Isn't it to do with
needing possession of the line to create the provision of new Thameslink
interchange services? And if they're not going ahead with the
provision, why bother with blockading the line in the first place?

They are building a box under Midland Road which could be used as a
station if they had the money to fit it out. :-((

--
Colin Rosenstiel