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Fresh off the press - to prevent performance pollution from SET,
Crossrail will share no track with SET on its Isle of Dogs branch and
will terminate at a new cross-platform interchange at Abbey Wood.

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/pages/pro...announced.html

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Dave Arquati wrote in :

Fresh off the press - to prevent performance pollution from SET,
Crossrail will share no track with SET on its Isle of Dogs branch and
will terminate at a new cross-platform interchange at Abbey Wood.

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/pages/pro...announced.html


Nice one. Should we be waiting for the announcment that all trains will
terminate at Paddington to prevent performance pollution from the Great
Western? Or maybe just run between Paddington and Canary Wharf so it
doesn't matter if it rains?

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Fresh off the press - to prevent performance pollution from SET, Crossrail
will share no track with SET on its Isle of Dogs branch and will terminate
at a new cross-platform interchange at Abbey Wood.

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/pages/pro...announced.html


What a let down! Wasn't one of big benefits of Crossrail supposed to be
regeneration of north Kent, Greenhithe, Stone, Dartford through to Slade
Green, Erith and Belvedere?

If they think it's not feasible to track-share a few stops with SET to
Dartford & Ebbsfleet, what hope have they got running to and from
Shenfield?!

(x-posted to uk.railway)



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David Jackman wrote in message . 252.50...
Dave Arquati wrote in :

Fresh off the press - to prevent performance pollution from SET,
Crossrail will share no track with SET on its Isle of Dogs branch and
will terminate at a new cross-platform interchange at Abbey Wood.

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/pages/pro...announced.html


Nice one. Should we be waiting for the announcment that all trains will
terminate at Paddington to prevent performance pollution from the Great
Western? Or maybe just run between Paddington and Canary Wharf so it
doesn't matter if it rains?


Then if any of this gets built, how long will it be until someone
realises the loadings on the Shenfield branch are much higher and
alters the split to 16/8 or even 18/6? Sounds like the branch should
be cancelled before it drives the cost of the project to ridiculous
levels.

James.
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"Rich Mallard" wrote in message ...
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
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Fresh off the press - to prevent performance pollution from SET, Crossrail
will share no track with SET on its Isle of Dogs branch and will terminate
at a new cross-platform interchange at Abbey Wood.

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/pages/pro...announced.html


What a let down! Wasn't one of big benefits of Crossrail supposed to be
regeneration of north Kent, Greenhithe, Stone, Dartford through to Slade
Green, Erith and Belvedere?

If they think it's not feasible to track-share a few stops with SET to
Dartford & Ebbsfleet, what hope have they got running to and from
Shenfield?!


Surely Crossrail won't share tracks to Shenfield - the line is pretty
much segregated anyway. There's talk of a few trains terminating at
Liverpool Street to serve Maryland but I don't see it happening.

Jonn


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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:12:38 +0000, Dave Arquati wrote:

Fresh off the press - to prevent performance pollution from SET,
Crossrail will share no track with SET on its Isle of Dogs branch and
will terminate at a new cross-platform interchange at Abbey Wood.

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/pages/pro...announced.html


That's a rather neat way of cutting scheme costs now while leaving open
the door for a separately funded extension through to Ebbsfleet at some
far off point in the future. Something tells me this is the first of
many such announcements to ensure the financial problems are resolved.
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Jonn Elledge wrote:
"Rich Mallard" wrote in message ...

"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
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Fresh off the press - to prevent performance pollution from SET, Crossrail
will share no track with SET on its Isle of Dogs branch and will terminate
at a new cross-platform interchange at Abbey Wood.

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/pages/pro...announced.html


What a let down! Wasn't one of big benefits of Crossrail supposed to be
regeneration of north Kent, Greenhithe, Stone, Dartford through to Slade
Green, Erith and Belvedere?

If they think it's not feasible to track-share a few stops with SET to
Dartford & Ebbsfleet, what hope have they got running to and from
Shenfield?!



Surely Crossrail won't share tracks to Shenfield - the line is pretty
much segregated anyway. There's talk of a few trains terminating at
Liverpool Street to serve Maryland but I don't see it happening.

Jonn


I think they need the extra Liverpool St-only trains to cater for demand.

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Jonn Elledge wrote:
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"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...

Fresh off the press - to prevent performance pollution from SET, Crossrail
will share no track with SET on its Isle of Dogs branch and will terminate
at a new cross-platform interchange at Abbey Wood.

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/pages/pro...announced.html

What a let down! Wasn't one of big benefits of Crossrail supposed to be
regeneration of north Kent, Greenhithe, Stone, Dartford through to Slade
Green, Erith and Belvedere?

If they think it's not feasible to track-share a few stops with SET to
Dartford & Ebbsfleet, what hope have they got running to and from
Shenfield?!



Surely Crossrail won't share tracks to Shenfield - the line is pretty
much segregated anyway. There's talk of a few trains terminating at
Liverpool Street to serve Maryland but I don't see it happening.

Jonn


I think they need the extra Liverpool St-only trains to cater for demand.


I'll believe Crossrail when I see it in operation
What will be first Crossrail or Thameslink 2000.

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Paul Corfield wrote in
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:12:38 +0000, Dave Arquati wrote:

Fresh off the press - to prevent performance pollution from SET,
Crossrail will share no track with SET on its Isle of Dogs branch and
will terminate at a new cross-platform interchange at Abbey Wood.

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/pages/pro...announced.html


That's a rather neat way of cutting scheme costs now while leaving open
the door for a separately funded extension through to Ebbsfleet at some
far off point in the future. Something tells me this is the first of
many such announcements to ensure the financial problems are resolved.


True, but the biggest cost is the tunnel which is very difficult to reduce
without killing off the scheme (remove Canary Wharf and you lose any
funding from that source that might have been available, remove either of
the other legs (Paddington-Liverpool Street/Liverpool Street-Stratford) and
there really isn't a lot of point).
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