Yeah, right. It's got nothing to do with the fact the average worker
in
China gets paid 67p a day! Are you volunteering to take on that kind
of
wage to restore the manufacturing base of the UK?

France, germany, italy etc sitll have viable large scale car
manufacturers,
train builders etc. Hmm , wonder why that is. Could it be the workers
actually got on with doing their job instead of farting about on a
picket
line? I'm old enough to remember the strikes at Leyland and it was just

so sad to see those cretins warming their hands over the oil drums
digging
not only their own career graves and that of their children, but the
whole british
car industry. The same could be said for various other blue collar
industries
in britain too.

B2003

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:37:41 +0000, Mait001 wrote:

if they didnt they,d be sold
down the river and stitced up,

I would GLADLY pay good money to see Bob Crowe and his ilk of dinosaurus rex
all stitched up, hanging from the lamp-post oustide my house

You can not say the above and then come out with:

Theirs is the sort of neanderthal mentality

In message , Bored Of The
Rings writes

Well, it is the right of every working man and woman to withdraw their
labour if they so wish. Good luck to the tube workers, they have one of the
strongest unions in the country in the RMT, if they didnt they,d be sold
down the river and stitced up, like the bus drivers!!

A point of order. The proposed strike on the Piccadilly is by ASLE&F
members.
--
Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building.
You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK
(please use the reply to address for email)

6 months to train plus the recruitment process (and in fact, by your
proposal you will have fired all the trainers too!). I'm not sure
Londoners could stand that long.

Not necessarily. If it was up to me I'd get all LUL staff to sign a non
strike agreement. If they sign it they get a pay rise , if they don't
they
get the sack. Carrot and stick approach. Anyone who breaks the
agreement would be fired on the spot, no negotiation.

I'm genrally in favour of unions, they're they're to stop exploitation
of
workers which as we know still happens. However , when people start
to use and abuse those powers and generally take the **** then its
time to get heavy handed I'm afraid.

B2003

A pay rise???? Wow.....
I'm begining to see a different side to you.

"Boltar" wrote in message
ups.com...
6 months to train plus the recruitment process (and in fact, by your
proposal you will have fired all the trainers too!). I'm not sure
Londoners could stand that long.

Not necessarily. If it was up to me I'd get all LUL staff to sign a non
strike agreement. If they sign it they get a pay rise , if they don't
they
get the sack. Carrot and stick approach. Anyone who breaks the
agreement would be fired on the spot, no negotiation.

I'm genrally in favour of unions, they're they're to stop exploitation
of
workers which as we know still happens. However , when people start
to use and abuse those powers and generally take the **** then its
time to get heavy handed I'm afraid.

B2003

In message . com,
Boltar writes
6 months to train plus the recruitment process (and in fact, by your
proposal you will have fired all the trainers too!). I'm not sure
Londoners could stand that long.

Not necessarily. If it was up to me I'd get all LUL staff to sign a non
strike agreement. If they sign it they get a pay rise , if they don't
they
get the sack. Carrot and stick approach. Anyone who breaks the
agreement would be fired on the spot, no negotiation.

Ah but previously you wanted to 'sack 'em all'.

I'm genrally in favour of unions, they're they're to stop exploitation
of
workers which as we know still happens. However , when people start
to use and abuse those powers and generally take the **** then its
time to get heavy handed I'm afraid.

And you don't think your proposals smack of exploitation?

How are you so sure that the action being taken isn't to prevent just
such 'exploitation'? I assume you are party to all the facts in the
cases, and not just those selectively published in the Evening Standard?
--
Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building.
You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK
(please use the reply to address for email)

get the sack. Carrot and stick approach. Anyone who breaks the
agreement would be fired on the spot, no negotiation.

Ah but previously you wanted to 'sack 'em all'.

Thats pretty much what a lot of the drivers deserve IMO. However if
they signed
that deal it would be worth keeping them on.

And you don't think your proposals smack of exploitation?

Hardly. Explotation is where you're not getting suitable recompense for
your
efforts. LUL staff already get far MORE than they deserve when compared
to
other blue collar workers who don't get to sit in a nice cosy air
conditioned
cab or station most of the day. If anything the workers at LUL are
exploiting
the public since they know they've got LU over a barrel as there are
precious
few realistic alternatives to commuting into central london other than
by tube
so its not the same as the miners striking where coal could be bought
from
overseas.

B2003

What planet are you actually from Boltar?
Ai conditioned stations???? Cabs????? The place is a hell hole.


"Boltar" wrote in message
oups.com...
get the sack. Carrot and stick approach. Anyone who breaks the
agreement would be fired on the spot, no negotiation.

Ah but previously you wanted to 'sack 'em all'.

Thats pretty much what a lot of the drivers deserve IMO. However if
they signed
that deal it would be worth keeping them on.

And you don't think your proposals smack of exploitation?

Hardly. Explotation is where you're not getting suitable recompense for
your
efforts. LUL staff already get far MORE than they deserve when compared
to
other blue collar workers who don't get to sit in a nice cosy air
conditioned
cab or station most of the day. If anything the workers at LUL are
exploiting
the public since they know they've got LU over a barrel as there are
precious
few realistic alternatives to commuting into central london other than
by tube
so its not the same as the miners striking where coal could be bought
from
overseas.

B2003

"Boltar" wrote in message
oups.com...
Says it all:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4095303.stm
I've had enough of these arseholes. Why can't the goverment step in to
sort these militants out like they did with other industries and if
they won't play ball then just fire the ****ing lot of them. A few
weeks pain as new non unionised drivers are trained will be worth it in
the long run IMO.
B2003

That was a government of different complection !!
Cheerz,
Baz

Yes indeed. I was no fan of Thatchers government but she did do a few
good things.
One was the Falklands , the other was smashing the militant unions.
Unfortunately
as with weeds, you can burn them, poison them, dig them up, but they
always
come back eventually if you stop paying attention. And thats whats
happening with
the unions here.

B2003