In article , Mait001
writes
I may be wrong, but surely the fact of having passed signals at red is not in
dispute

I don't know the facts, so I can't comment. Even if a signal was passed
at read, it might not be the driver's fault.

- merely the "sentence" that ought to be imposed. That being so, your
reference to "convicted in kangaroo courts" is otiose.

Not so. If I am convicted by a court where I'm prevented from having the
representation that the law (or, in this case, the agreements in place)
permits, that's an injustice. One to which the term "kangaroo court" is
often applied.

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