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I see that LUL drivers are not signing on at Earl's Court due to
inadequate facilities. No squash courts presumabley.

Kevin

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wrote:
I see that LUL drivers are not signing on at Earl's Court due to
inadequate facilities. No squash courts presumabley.

:o)

Is anyone seriously surprised though? Any excuse to do less work and
the
drivers will use it. Presumably the only reason they haven't gone on
strike is
because they need to pay off the xmas credit card bills. Wonder how
long before
theres a walkout because theres no one on standby to wipe their arse
for them in
the toilets.

B2003

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"Boltar" wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
I see that LUL drivers are not signing on at Earl's Court due to
inadequate facilities. No squash courts presumabley.

:o)

Is anyone seriously surprised though? Any excuse to do less work and
the
drivers will use it. Presumably the only reason they haven't gone on
strike is
because they need to pay off the xmas credit card bills. Wonder how
long before
theres a walkout because theres no one on standby to wipe their arse
for them in
the toilets.


"Boltar slags off drivers again over .. (click) Boltar slags off drivers
again over .. (click) Boltar slags off drivers again over .. (click) Boltar
slags off drivers again over .. (click) Boltar slags off drivers again over
... (click) Boltar slags off drivers again over .. (click) Boltar slags off
drivers again over .. (click) Boltar slags off drivers again over .. (click)
Boltar slags off drivers again over .. (click) Boltar slags off drivers
again over .. (click) Boltar slags off drivers again over .. (click)"

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Brimstone wrote:
Is anyone seriously surprised though? Any excuse to do less work
and
the
drivers will use it. Presumably the only reason they haven't gone
on
strike is
because they need to pay off the xmas credit card bills. Wonder how
long before
theres a walkout because theres no one on standby to wipe their
arse
for them in
the toilets.


"Boltar slags off drivers again over .. (click) Boltar slags off
drivers
again over .. (click) Boltar slags off drivers again over .. (click)
Boltar
slags off drivers again over .. (click) Boltar slags off drivers
again over
.. (click) Boltar slags off drivers again over .. (click) Boltar
slags off
drivers again over .. (click) Boltar slags off drivers again over ..
(click)
Boltar slags off drivers again over .. (click) Boltar slags off
drivers
again over .. (click) Boltar slags off drivers again over .. (click)"

In case you hadn't noticed I didn't start the thread. Besides , those
muppets
with their endless pay deals are partly responsible for the outrageous
fare
rises on the tube this year so why shouldn't I slag them off? They're
costing
me and every other tube user more money.

B2003

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If you worked at say Tesco Basingstoke, and you were asked to work at
Tesco Newbury, but you would only finish work when you got back to Tesco
Basingstoke, what would your reaction be?

Boltar wrote:
Brimstone wrote:

Is anyone seriously surprised though? Any excuse to do less work

and

the
drivers will use it. Presumably the only reason they haven't gone

on

strike is
because they need to pay off the xmas credit card bills. Wonder how
long before
theres a walkout because theres no one on standby to wipe their

arse

for them in
the toilets.


"Boltar slags off drivers again over .. (click) Boltar slags off

drivers

again over .. (click) Boltar slags off drivers again over .. (click)

Boltar

slags off drivers again over .. (click) Boltar slags off drivers

again over

.. (click) Boltar slags off drivers again over .. (click) Boltar

slags off

drivers again over .. (click) Boltar slags off drivers again over ..

(click)

Boltar slags off drivers again over .. (click) Boltar slags off

drivers

again over .. (click) Boltar slags off drivers again over .. (click)"


In case you hadn't noticed I didn't start the thread. Besides , those
muppets
with their endless pay deals are partly responsible for the outrageous
fare
rises on the tube this year so why shouldn't I slag them off? They're
costing
me and every other tube user more money.

B2003

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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:01:21 +0000, General Von Clinkerhoffen wrote:

If you worked at say Tesco Basingstoke, and you were asked to work at
Tesco Newbury, but you would only finish work when you got back to Tesco
Basingstoke, what would your reaction be?

Assuming that you get free travel between the two places, and paid for
my time, I'd quietly question the competency of management and get on with
my job.

Of course that would never happen in the private sector as it would be a
waste of money.
--
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Ahhh you hit the nail on the head with the phrase "paid for my time" the
district drivers Don't get paid for their time, travelling from Acton to
Earls Court, that is all they want either to be paid for the time from
Acton as they used to be, or to have ALL duties booking on at Acton
Town, not too much to ask, is it?

Paul Weaver wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:01:21 +0000, General Von Clinkerhoffen wrote:


If you worked at say Tesco Basingstoke, and you were asked to work at
Tesco Newbury, but you would only finish work when you got back to Tesco
Basingstoke, what would your reaction be?


Assuming that you get free travel between the two places, and paid for
my time, I'd quietly question the competency of management and get on with
my job.

Of course that would never happen in the private sector as it would be a
waste of money.

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"Huge" wrote in message
...
"Dave Liney" writes:

[30 lines snipped]

Q: Why is bottom-posting such a bad thing?
A: Because it messes up the natural flow of a conversation

So, you have your conversations back to front, do you? Must make
jokes a bit dull, getting the punch-line first.

No but I don't usually have the entire conversation repeated from the
beginning before adding to it. In fact the bit you snipped I thought made
the point but apparently this is a matter you take far too seriously.

Dave.

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General Von Clinkerhoffen wrote:
NO I will continue to top post, it's bloody annoying having to scroll
down to find the 2 new lines posted, if you don't like it TOUGH.


You poor soul, we really feel for you.

Have you considered the people who have difficulty reading and use a gadget
that reads the posts out loud for them? It means they get a conversation
"upside down".

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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:45:16 +0000, Robin Mayes wrote:


"Paul Weaver" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:38:33 +0000, General Von Clinkerhoffen wrote:

Seems to me you should talk to your manager about your contract. Demand
either logical clocking on opportunities, or compensatory pay. If they say
no, hand in your notice and seek employment elsewhere.

Great idea, so instead of a few delays until this is resolved people using
the line have to use only a limited number of trains (60%?) for six months
or so! Don't forget those who teach people to drive trains are actually
train driver themselves!

And that's relevent because...?

If you dont like your job, and you cant agree on a better deal, then seek
employment elsewhere. Doesn't matter if you're a shop worker, train
driver, or prime minister.
--
Everything I write here is my personal opinion, and should not be taken as fact.

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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 02:52:18 +0000, General Von Clinkerhoffen wrote:

Nothing is more likely to make me top post than complaining about it,
but now I digress.

The union HAVE been talking to the management, for 2 years, and have got
no where, this action is the last resort.

"The union" *spit*

Dont you have the balls to talk to your own manager?

If you dont like your job, hand in your notice and leave. It's not hard.

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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:50:27 +0000, Dave Liney wrote:


"Huge" wrote in message
...
"Dave Liney" writes:

[30 lines snipped]

Q: Why is bottom-posting such a bad thing?
A: Because it messes up the natural flow of a conversation

So, you have your conversations back to front, do you? Must make
jokes a bit dull, getting the punch-line first.

No but I don't usually have the entire conversation repeated from the
beginning before adding to it. In fact the bit you snipped I thought made
the point but apparently this is a matter you take far too seriously.

But surely your usenet client colours different levels of quoteing in
different colours, or allows you to collapse quote blocks. I can easilly
see the latest addition to the thread, while simultaneously reading
context should I need to be.
--
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****wit

Paul Weaver wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:45:16 +0000, Robin Mayes wrote:


"Paul Weaver" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:38:33 +0000, General Von Clinkerhoffen wrote:

Seems to me you should talk to your manager about your contract. Demand
either logical clocking on opportunities, or compensatory pay. If they say
no, hand in your notice and seek employment elsewhere.

Great idea, so instead of a few delays until this is resolved people using
the line have to use only a limited number of trains (60%?) for six months
or so! Don't forget those who teach people to drive trains are actually
train driver themselves!


And that's relevent because...?

If you dont like your job, and you cant agree on a better deal, then seek
employment elsewhere. Doesn't matter if you're a shop worker, train
driver, or prime minister.

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"Paul Weaver" wrote in message
.. .

Great idea, so instead of a few delays until this is resolved people
using
the line have to use only a limited number of trains (60%?) for six
months
or so! Don't forget those who teach people to drive trains are actually
train driver themselves!

And that's relevent because...?

If you dont like your job, and you cant agree on a better deal, then seek
employment elsewhere. Doesn't matter if you're a shop worker, train
driver, or prime minister.
--
Everything I write here is my personal opinion, and should not be taken as
fact.


Cut off your nose to spite your face is the phrase that immediately comes to
mind.

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Paul Weaver wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 02:52:18 +0000, General Von Clinkerhoffen wrote:

Nothing is more likely to make me top post than complaining about it,
but now I digress.

The union HAVE been talking to the management, for 2 years, and have
got no where, this action is the last resort.

"The union" *spit*

Dont you have the balls to talk to your own manager?

If you dont like your job, hand in your notice and leave. It's not
hard.

There speak someone from a different planet.

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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:39:48 +0000, Paul Weaver wrote:

If you dont like your job, hand in your notice and leave. It's not hard.


What sort of job do you do? I always find the sudden reduction of my
salary by 100% quite an obstacle to leaving a job I migth be fed up with.

--
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--- Paul Weaver said...


If you dont like your job, hand in your notice and leave. It's not
hard.

OTOH the ability to drive an Underground train is not a transferable
skill. Face it, TfL and its franchise holders have a monopoly on
needing workers with that particular skill. Unless the ex-drivers are
prepared to become bottom-rung, menial, unskilled workers somewhere
else, TfL has them by the short n' curlies. It's not surprising they
spend so much effort fighting back!

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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:32:23 +0000, Robin Mayes wrote:


"Paul Weaver" wrote in message
.. .

Great idea, so instead of a few delays until this is resolved people
using
the line have to use only a limited number of trains (60%?) for six
months
or so! Don't forget those who teach people to drive trains are actually
train driver themselves!

And that's relevent because...?

If you dont like your job, and you cant agree on a better deal, then seek
employment elsewhere. Doesn't matter if you're a shop worker, train
driver, or prime minister.
--
Everything I write here is my personal opinion, and should not be taken as
fact.


Cut off your nose to spite your face is the phrase that immediately comes to
mind.

If you walk into a car showroom, and see a car you like, and offer £5,000,
but the salesman says £50,000 - you don't picket outside the room until he
changes your mind, you go elsewhere.

Why do some people (strike lovers) not understand this?

--
Everything I write here is my personal opinion, and should not be taken as fact.

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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:48:48 +0000, Brimstone wrote:

Paul Weaver wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 02:52:18 +0000, General Von Clinkerhoffen wrote:

Nothing is more likely to make me top post than complaining about it,
but now I digress.

The union HAVE been talking to the management, for 2 years, and have
got no where, this action is the last resort.

"The union" *spit*

Dont you have the balls to talk to your own manager?

If you dont like your job, hand in your notice and leave. It's not
hard.

There speak someone from a different planet.

If you think it's hard, I am willing to write resignation letters for £10 per person. Bulk
discount too.

--
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:43:54 +0000, loobyloo wrote:

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:39:48 +0000, Paul Weaver wrote:

If you dont like your job, hand in your notice and leave. It's not hard.


What sort of job do you do? I always find the sudden reduction of my
salary by 100% quite an obstacle to leaving a job I migth be fed up with.

I do a job which I was suited for after going to uni and spending 3 years
of my life running up £15,000 or debt. It pays a lot less then an
underground driver, but OTOH I didn't start when I was 18 and end up fully
trained on £30k by the time I was 20. Instead I took the long expensive
road in the hope of brighter carrer prospects in the future. I also put a
lot of free time into keeping my skills sharp so I have workforce
mobility.
--
Everything I write here is my personal opinion, and should not be taken as fact.

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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:54:03 +0000, Solar Penguin wrote:

--- Paul Weaver said...


If you dont like your job, hand in your notice and leave. It's not
hard.

OTOH the ability to drive an Underground train is not a transferable
skill.

Indeed, it's barely a skill at all

Face it, TfL and its franchise holders have a monopoly on
needing workers with that particular skill. Unless the ex-drivers are
prepared to become bottom-rung, menial, unskilled workers

Tube driving isn't menial? 'Push "Open", Push "Close", Slide Forwards,
Mumble into tannoy (only the best ones), Slide backwards, Repeat.'

somewhere
else, TfL has them by the short n' curlies. It's not surprising they
spend so much effort fighting back!

Retrain in your spare time. Stop reading The Sun and read "Beginners guide
to doing a job"

--
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Paul Weaver wrote:

I do a job which I was suited for after going to uni and spending 3 years
of my life running up £15,000 or debt. It pays a lot less then an
underground driver, but OTOH I didn't start when I was 18 and end up fully
trained on £30k by the time I was 20. Instead I took the long expensive
road in the hope of brighter carrer prospects in the future. I also put a
lot of free time into keeping my skills sharp so I have workforce
mobility.

See, and then _you_ do have the prospect of increasing salary until you
retire. For the traindrivers it is these 30k throughout their
workinglife - apart from paydeals their unions worked out.

Not to forget that some people simply don't have the chance of attending
uni.

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Paul Weaver wrote:


If you walk into a car showroom, and see a car you like, and offer £5,000,
but the salesman says £50,000 - you don't picket outside the room until he
changes your mind, you go elsewhere.

Why do some people (strike lovers) not understand this?

Why don't some people understand that the workforce is (according to
your example) more the car in the showroom than the customer?

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Paul Weaver wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:43:54 +0000, loobyloo wrote:

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:39:48 +0000, Paul Weaver wrote:

If you dont like your job, hand in your notice and leave. It's not
hard.


What sort of job do you do? I always find the sudden reduction of my
salary by 100% quite an obstacle to leaving a job I migth be fed up
with.

I do a job which I was suited for after going to uni and spending 3
years of my life running up £15,000 or debt. It pays a lot less then
an underground driver, but OTOH I didn't start when I was 18 and end
up fully trained on £30k by the time I was 20. Instead I took the
long expensive road in the hope of brighter carrer prospects in the
future. I also put a lot of free time into keeping my skills sharp so
I have workforce mobility.

Which doesn't tell us what you do. You're not a lawyer or an accountant are
you?

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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:47:19 +0000 (UTC), Brimstone wrote:


Which doesn't tell us what you do. You're not a lawyer or an accountant are
you?


I know Blackburn are struggling at the moment but I'd have thought they
paid more than tube drivers:
http://www.rovers.premiumtv.co.uk/pa...~31118,00.html
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---------------------------------------------------------
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"Vsichki Drehi Mi Prechat" - All Clothes are an Obstacle to Me
(Bulgaria)

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i did start at 18 and was a fully trained driver 6 months later.
training doesn't take that long.

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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:47:19 +0000, Brimstone wrote:

Paul Weaver wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:43:54 +0000, loobyloo wrote:

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:39:48 +0000, Paul Weaver wrote:

If you dont like your job, hand in your notice and leave. It's not
hard.


What sort of job do you do? I always find the sudden reduction of my
salary by 100% quite an obstacle to leaving a job I migth be fed up
with.

I do a job which I was suited for after going to uni and spending 3
years of my life running up £15,000 or debt. It pays a lot less then
an underground driver, but OTOH I didn't start when I was 18 and end
up fully trained on £30k by the time I was 20. Instead I took the
long expensive road in the hope of brighter carrer prospects in the
future. I also put a lot of free time into keeping my skills sharp so
I have workforce mobility.

Which doesn't tell us what you do. You're not a lawyer or an accountant are
you?

Engineer
--
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:23:34 +0100, Guy Perry wrote:

Paul Weaver wrote:

I do a job which I was suited for after going to uni and spending 3 years
of my life running up £15,000 or debt. It pays a lot less then an
underground driver, but OTOH I didn't start when I was 18 and end up fully
trained on £30k by the time I was 20. Instead I took the long expensive
road in the hope of brighter carrer prospects in the future. I also put a
lot of free time into keeping my skills sharp so I have workforce
mobility.

See, and then _you_ do have the prospect of increasing salary until you
retire. For the traindrivers it is these 30k throughout their
workinglife - apart from paydeals their unions worked out.

Still 50% above the average wage of the country.

Not to forget that some people simply don't have the chance of attending
uni.

Pretty much everyone has the choice nowadays. Too many really, the country
needs more vocational training.

--
Everything I write here is my personal opinion, and should not be taken as fact.

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Paul Weaver wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:47:19 +0000, Brimstone wrote:

Paul Weaver wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:43:54 +0000, loobyloo wrote:

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:39:48 +0000, Paul Weaver wrote:

If you dont like your job, hand in your notice and leave. It's not
hard.


What sort of job do you do? I always find the sudden reduction of
my salary by 100% quite an obstacle to leaving a job I migth be
fed up with.

I do a job which I was suited for after going to uni and spending 3
years of my life running up £15,000 or debt. It pays a lot less then
an underground driver, but OTOH I didn't start when I was 18 and end
up fully trained on £30k by the time I was 20. Instead I took the
long expensive road in the hope of brighter carrer prospects in the
future. I also put a lot of free time into keeping my skills sharp
so
I have workforce mobility.

Which doesn't tell us what you do. You're not a lawyer or an
accountant are you?

Engineer

Which is a wide ranging term and has been used to cover anyone from a bench
fitter to the chap who designed the Channel Tunnel.

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Paul Weaver wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:23:34 +0100, Guy Perry wrote:

See, and then _you_ do have the prospect of increasing salary until you
retire. For the traindrivers it is these 30k throughout their
workinglife - apart from paydeals their unions worked out.


Still 50% above the average wage of the country.

But well within average of the profession of traindrivers so what's the
point? That everyone should only get paid the national average unless
they attended university? That everyone should only get paid a fixed
salary, irrelevant what or how hard they work (or at all when at work),
welcome to the already failed communist system.
I then propose that everyone should only get paid one quid a month and
try to cope with life and existing prices. I hope you understand how
ridiculous that would be, as is the continuous whining about LU's driver
salary.

Not to forget that some people simply don't have the chance of attending
uni.

Pretty much everyone has the choice nowadays. Too many really, the country
needs more vocational training.

Please do prove that to me. I doubt everyone can afford fees for uni.

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On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 09:27:14 +0000, Brimstone wrote:
Engineer

Which is a wide ranging term and has been used to cover anyone from a bench
fitter to the chap who designed the Channel Tunnel.

I'm still considering whether to start on the road to becoming chartered

--
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Can we carry on this pointless conversation on alt.politics.communism
then the rest of us can carry on talking about public transport in London.

Oh the work to rule is having very little effect on the district line
which shows that the drivers are correct, they could all book on at
Acton with no effects to the service.



Paul Weaver wrote:
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 09:27:14 +0000, Brimstone wrote:

Engineer

Which is a wide ranging term and has been used to cover anyone from a bench
fitter to the chap who designed the Channel Tunnel.


I'm still considering whether to start on the road to becoming chartered