wrote:
...have begun appearing in certain tube stations in place of the London
Connections map.

I appluad the sentiment (and was pleasantly surprised by how much of
the south London network qualifies), but isn't there anyway they could
be made both clearer and less ugly? Perhaps by using a different colour
for each London terminal (and Thameslink), and use broken lines instead
of less bold ones for infrequent services. Then those routes qualifying
for the map because of services to two stations (the Bexleyheath line,
for example) could be shown by running two sets of broken lines
together to form a whole one.
Idle thoughts on a weekday afternoon, I know.

I still think their waterline should be at least eight trains an hour.
Four is not frequent.

Dan

I'd advocate six, but I think 8 is unrealistic - major stations aside
(East Croydon, Wimbledon etc) how many routes have 8tph?

Jonn

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I'd advocate six, but I think 8 is unrealistic - major stations aside
(East Croydon, Wimbledon etc) how many routes have 8tph?

London Bridge to Forest Hill and return - 12TPH.

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Wasting Bandwidth since 1981

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In article . com,
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I'd advocate six, but I think 8 is unrealistic - major stations aside
(East Croydon, Wimbledon etc) how many routes have 8tph?

London Bridge to Forest Hill and return - 12TPH.

How do you work that out? Seems to be 6 to me, 2 to Victoria via Crystal
Palace, 2 to Caterham and 2 to Sutton.

Peter Smyth

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(Peter Smyth) wrote:

How do you work that out? Seems to be 6 to me, 2 to Victoria via
Crystal Palace, 2 to Caterham and 2 to Sutton.

Then 6 to London Brodge as well...

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Paul Cummins wrote:
In article ,
(Peter Smyth) wrote:


How do you work that out? Seems to be 6 to me, 2 to Victoria via
Crystal Palace, 2 to Caterham and 2 to Sutton.


Then 6 to London Brodge as well...

It's a bit silly to count both directions... not many people turn up at
a station and get on the first train that's going anywhere.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

wrote:
I'd advocate six, but I think 8 is unrealistic - major stations aside
(East Croydon, Wimbledon etc) how many routes have 8tph?

Put simply - build them. You're right that few have 8tph, but the
setting of the waterline at four seems more a decision based on
marketing than it does the semantics of the word "frequent".

Dan

Dan Gravell wrote:
wrote:

I'd advocate six, but I think 8 is unrealistic - major stations aside
(East Croydon, Wimbledon etc) how many routes have 8tph?

Put simply - build them. You're right that few have 8tph, but the
setting of the waterline at four seems more a decision based on
marketing than it does the semantics of the word "frequent".

I think a 15 minute interval is just enough to qualify - after all,
given that the average wait should be 7.5mins, that's just enough time
at the big terminals to buy a ticket and find the platform if you're
unfamilar with the place.

4tph is also the off-peak frequency to London at Richmond, Ealing
Broadway (District) and Rickmansworth outwards. I accept that that's a
small proportion of stations.

It is interesting that 6tph is "standard" offpeak Tube frequency on
outer London Tube services like the Central line's West Ruislip branch
or the Piccadilly's Rayners Lane branch, whereas 4tph is deemed
sufficient on National Rail, even at inner London stations like
Loughborough Junction, Streatham Hill, Deptford and St Johns.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, Dave Arquati wrote:

Dan Gravell wrote:
wrote:

I'd advocate six, but I think 8 is unrealistic - major stations aside
(East Croydon, Wimbledon etc) how many routes have 8tph?

Put simply - build them. You're right that few have 8tph, but the
setting of the waterline at four seems more a decision based on
marketing than it does the semantics of the word "frequent".

I think a 15 minute interval is just enough to qualify - after all,
given that the average wait should be 7.5mins, that's just enough time
at the big terminals to buy a ticket and find the platform if you're
unfamilar with the place.

I think worst-case time is more important than average - i want to know
i'm not going to have to wait longer than a given time.

4tph is also the off-peak frequency to London at Richmond, Ealing
Broadway (District) and Rickmansworth outwards. I accept that that's a
small proportion of stations.

Basically, where NR and LU share (how about the Bakerloo?) - it should be
banned!

And no, Ealing Broadway isn't shared, but that's not important right now.

It is interesting that 6tph is "standard" offpeak Tube frequency on
outer London Tube services like the Central line's West Ruislip branch
or the Piccadilly's Rayners Lane branch, whereas 4tph is deemed
sufficient on National Rail, even at inner London stations like
Loughborough Junction, Streatham Hill, Deptford and St Johns.

This must be some new meaning of the word 'interesting' of which i was not
previously aware - a synonym for 'criminal', i take it .

Add most of the West Anglia line that list (not Hackney Downs or Tottenham
Hale, though) - in fact, i think it's even less above Hackney (Cambridge
Heath etc).

6 tph should be the benchmark for 'frequent' service. 8 tph should be an
aspiration. 4 tph is absurd.

Also, those six trains should be evenly spaced. Perhaps the rule should
actaually be no more than 10 min between departures; 6 evenly-spaced tph
would satisfy this, but 8 tph would be needed if they weren't even.

Oh, and the map should deal with the multiple-destinations problem by
treating services to different destinations as separate lines; i don't
think a station on two infrequent lines should be count as frequently
served, but i don't think it's entirely clear.

tom

--
Socialism - straight in the mainline!

I think a 15 minute interval is just enough to qualify - after all,
given that the average wait should be 7.5mins, that's just enough
time
at the big terminals to buy a ticket and find the platform if
you're
unfamilar with the place.

I think worst-case time is more important than average - i want to
know
i'm not going to have to wait longer than a given time.

In Putney theres a sign advertising up to 6 trains per hour (off peak)
to Waterloo. Thats fine except on a Sunday when all 6 trains leave
between ten to and twenty past