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I'm having to use the Tube to travel to work in various London hotels on
contract. As I need to cart around a heavy wheeled toolcase, it would be
useful to know the interchanges between tube lines with the least amount of
walking and steps (escalators aren't such a problem).

Is this information available anywhere? I haven't been able to find it on
the TfL web site . . .

Anthony

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Ant W-M wrote:
I'm having to use the Tube to travel to work in various London
hotels on contract. As I need to cart around a heavy wheeled
toolcase, it would be useful to know the interchanges between tube
lines with the least amount of walking and steps (escalators aren't
such a problem).

Is this information available anywhere? I haven't been able to
find it on the TfL web site . . .

Go to http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/content/faq/mobile.asp
There is a link to a spreadsheet of very detailed information about each
station, plus .pdf and .gif versions of the Tube Access Guide.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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Richard J. wrote:
Ant W-M wrote:

I'm having to use the Tube to travel to work in various London
hotels on contract. As I need to cart around a heavy wheeled
toolcase, it would be useful to know the interchanges between tube
lines with the least amount of walking and steps (escalators aren't
such a problem).

Is this information available anywhere? I haven't been able to
find it on the TfL web site . . .


Go to http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/content/faq/mobile.asp
There is a link to a spreadsheet of very detailed information about each
station, plus .pdf and .gif versions of the Tube Access Guide.

In addition, you may find the following list of cross-platform
interchanges between lines useful:
http://london.openguides.org/index.c...m_Interchanges

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

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"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...
Richard J. wrote:
Ant W-M wrote:

I'm having to use the Tube to travel to work in various London
hotels on contract. As I need to cart around a heavy wheeled
toolcase, it would be useful to know the interchanges between tube
lines with the least amount of walking and steps (escalators aren't
such a problem).

Is this information available anywhere? I haven't been able to
find it on the TfL web site . . .


Go to http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/content/faq/mobile.asp
There is a link to a spreadsheet of very detailed information about each
station, plus .pdf and .gif versions of the Tube Access Guide.

In addition, you may find the following list of cross-platform
interchanges between lines useful:
http://london.openguides.org/index.c...m_Interchanges

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Many thanks for these two useful postings. The information I really need in
addition to this is which tube line interchanges are best avoided because of
those LONG walks along tunnels. Sometimes it seems like one is walking
underground to another tube station!

Anthony

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"Ant W-M" wrote in message
...

Many thanks for these two useful postings. The information I really need
in addition to this is which tube line interchanges are best avoided
because of those LONG walks along tunnels. Sometimes it seems like one is
walking underground to another tube station!


In some cases, you are.

Without getting into the detail, all the lines were conceived, and mostly
built, as entirely seperate entities with their own stations. During the
interwar years some joining up took place and a few stations were replaced
with another nearer to that on another line whilst in other cases
underground connections were built.

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Ant W-M wrote:
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...

Richard J. wrote:

Ant W-M wrote:


I'm having to use the Tube to travel to work in various London
hotels on contract. As I need to cart around a heavy wheeled
toolcase, it would be useful to know the interchanges between tube
lines with the least amount of walking and steps (escalators aren't
such a problem).

Is this information available anywhere? I haven't been able to
find it on the TfL web site . . .


Go to http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/content/faq/mobile.asp
There is a link to a spreadsheet of very detailed information about each
station, plus .pdf and .gif versions of the Tube Access Guide.

In addition, you may find the following list of cross-platform
interchanges between lines useful:
http://london.openguides.org/index.c...m_Interchanges


Many thanks for these two useful postings. The information I really need in
addition to this is which tube line interchanges are best avoided because of
those LONG walks along tunnels. Sometimes it seems like one is walking
underground to another tube station!

Hmm... I'm not sure if that's available online (if not, maybe it should
be!). The ones I'd flag up would be Green Park, King's Cross,
Bank/Monument, Waterloo and Notting Hill Gate; I'm sure other people
have other favourite nasty changes too.


--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

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Dave Arquati wrote:
Ant W-M wrote:

Many thanks for these two useful postings. The information I
really need in addition to this is which tube line interchanges
are best avoided because of those LONG walks along tunnels.
Sometimes it seems like one is walking underground to another tube
station!

Hmm... I'm not sure if that's available online (if not, maybe it
should be!). The ones I'd flag up would be Green Park, King's
Cross, Bank/Monument, Waterloo and Notting Hill Gate; I'm sure
other people have other favourite nasty changes too.

Not all the interchanges at those stations are inconvenient. For
example:

Bank/Monument: District/Circle, Northern, DLR are reasonably close
together. The really long interchanges are W&C or Central to/from
Monument.

Waterloo: Jubilee to the other tubes is long (travelator).
Bakerloo/Northern (and Eurostar/Windsor Lines) are conveniently close
together.

Other long ones that come to mind:
Baker Street: Bakerloo/Jubilee to/from Circle/H&C, especially westbound.

Canary Wharf: Jubilee to/from Canary Wharf DLR is long, through
underground shopping mall. Herons Quay DLR is nearer.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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Dave Arquati wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 30 Mar 2005:

Hmm... I'm not sure if that's available online (if not, maybe it should
be!). The ones I'd flag up would be Green Park, King's Cross,
Bank/Monument, Waterloo and Notting Hill Gate; I'm sure other people
have other favourite nasty changes too.

My favourite nasty change is from the Northern to the Jubilee at London
Bridge - quite a lot of steps (in one direction they are mostly up, the
other mostly down). Waterloo isn't so bad as there is a Travelator &
it's flat.

Green Park is okay if you go towards the exit - you can stand on the
escalator, walk across the ticket hall and down the other side, but I
wouldn't walk through all those tunnels.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 20 March 2005

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In article , Brimstone
writes

"Ant W-M" wrote in message
...

Many thanks for these two useful postings. The information I really need
in addition to this is which tube line interchanges are best avoided
because of those LONG walks along tunnels. Sometimes it seems like one is
walking underground to another tube station!


In some cases, you are.

Yes, but only in some cases. Others look as though they are the result
of stupid design decisions, or perhaps thoughtless penny-pinching.

Take Green Park station, for example, where all three possible
interconnection seems to involve a very long walk and lots of stairs and
escalators. But both Victoria and Jubilee stations were built while the
system was in common ownership. It is hard to see why the Victoria line
was not placed so that it's station was directly above (or below) that
of the Piccadilly line, nor the Jubilee line station placed vertically
above (or below) the other two, so that a single escalator (and lift)
system would serve all three. This has been done, I'm glad to see, in
the Jubilee station at Westminster.


--
Clive Page

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"Clive Page" wrote in message
...
In article , Brimstone
writes

"Ant W-M" wrote in message
...

Many thanks for these two useful postings. The information I really
need
in addition to this is which tube line interchanges are best avoided
because of those LONG walks along tunnels. Sometimes it seems like one
is
walking underground to another tube station!


In some cases, you are.

Yes, but only in some cases. Others look as though they are the result of
stupid design decisions, or perhaps thoughtless penny-pinching.

Take Green Park station, for example, where all three possible
interconnection seems to involve a very long walk and lots of stairs and
escalators. But both Victoria and Jubilee stations were built while the
system was in common ownership. It is hard to see why the Victoria line
was not placed so that it's station was directly above (or below) that of
the Piccadilly line, nor the Jubilee line station placed vertically above
(or below) the other two, so that a single escalator (and lift) system
would serve all three. This has been done, I'm glad to see, in the
Jubilee station at Westminster.


I'm sure there are a wide variety of reasons why the platforms were placed
where they are. I suspect geology and existing underground structures would
have been well up the list.

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"Clive Page" wrote in message
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Others look as though they are the
result of stupid design decisions,

To bandy the word "stupid" around without detailed knowledge of the
constraints is unfair.

or perhaps thoughtless penny-pinching.

That I can believe.

Take Green Park station, for example, where all
three possible interconnection seems to involve
a very long walk and lots of stairs and escalators.
But both Victoria and Jubilee stations were built
while the system was in common ownership.

I don't know about Green Park, but I know that at Waterloo, modern
construction safety rules prevented them from building the Jubilee station
where they wanted. I believe this was the main reason why all of the Jubilee
interchanges are so poor compared to the rake of very convenient Victoria
Line interchanges built in a less fussy era.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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John Rowland:
I don't know about Green Park, but I know that at Waterloo, modern
construction safety rules prevented them from building the Jubilee
station where they wanted.

Interesting; can you say what the specific issue was?
--
Mark Brader, Toronto "He seems unable to win without the added
thrill of changing sides." -- Chess

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John Rowland wrote:
"Clive Page" wrote in message
...

Others look as though they are the
result of stupid design decisions,


To bandy the word "stupid" around without detailed knowledge of the
constraints is unfair.


or perhaps thoughtless penny-pinching.


That I can believe.


Take Green Park station, for example, where all
three possible interconnection seems to involve
a very long walk and lots of stairs and escalators.
But both Victoria and Jubilee stations were built
while the system was in common ownership.


I don't know about Green Park, but I know that at Waterloo, modern
construction safety rules prevented them from building the Jubilee station
where they wanted. I believe this was the main reason why all of the Jubilee
interchanges are so poor compared to the rake of very convenient Victoria
Line interchanges built in a less fussy era.

I remember reading the reason behind the Green Park setup somewhere but,
annoyingly, I can't remember where. It's not on the Internet; I have a
feeling it was in the LT Museum bookshop...

There's definitely a good reason for it though.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

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"Mark Brader" wrote in message
...
John Rowland:

I don't know about Green Park, but I know that at
Waterloo, modern construction safety rules prevented
them from building the Jubilee station where they wanted.

Interesting; can you say what the specific issue was?

Sorry, I can't remember. I was told by someone directly involved in the
project, though.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Brimstone wrote:

"Clive Page" wrote in message
...
In article , Brimstone
writes

"Ant W-M" wrote in message
...

Many thanks for these two useful postings. The information I really
need in addition to this is which tube line interchanges are best
avoided because of those LONG walks along tunnels. Sometimes it
seems like one is walking underground to another tube station!

In some cases, you are.

Yes, but only in some cases. Others look as though they are the result of
stupid design decisions, or perhaps thoughtless penny-pinching.

Take Green Park station, for example, where all three possible
interconnection seems to involve a very long walk and lots of stairs
and escalators.

I'm sure there are a wide variety of reasons why the platforms were
placed where they are. I suspect geology and existing underground
structures would have been well up the list.

That's exactly it - specifically, the sekrit underground bunkars [1] along
Piccadilly, also the reason why the Piccadilly Circus station for
Crossrail 2 is having trouble. I'm telling you.

tom

[1] Built and inhabited by freemasons, naturally.

--
The final chapter, prophetic, poetic

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On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 17:43:17 +0100, Tom Anderson
wrote:

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Brimstone wrote:

"Clive Page" wrote in message
...
In article , Brimstone
writes

"Ant W-M" wrote in message
...

Many thanks for these two useful postings. The information I really
need in addition to this is which tube line interchanges are best
avoided because of those LONG walks along tunnels. Sometimes it
seems like one is walking underground to another tube station!

In some cases, you are.

Yes, but only in some cases. Others look as though they are the result of
stupid design decisions, or perhaps thoughtless penny-pinching.

Take Green Park station, for example, where all three possible
interconnection seems to involve a very long walk and lots of stairs
and escalators.

I'm sure there are a wide variety of reasons why the platforms were
placed where they are. I suspect geology and existing underground
structures would have been well up the list.

That's exactly it - specifically, the sekrit underground bunkars [1] along
Piccadilly, also the reason why the Piccadilly Circus station for
Crossrail 2 is having trouble. I'm telling you.

tom

[1] Built and inhabited by freemasons, naturally.

Now you've done it, we'll have to send the black helicopters after you
for letting out such a closely guarded secret!!

Keith J Chesworth
www.unseenlondon.co.uk
www.blackpooltram.co.uk
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www.boilerbill.com - main site
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