"Clive Coleman" wrote in message
...
I could imagine that, only the cyclist would be too tight to stump up for
the fuel used.

Funny how, with most things, people *like* getting things for free.

I hope, out of principle, you decline any two-for-one offers next time
you're in a supermarket.

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, David Splett wrote:

"Clive Coleman" wrote in message
...

I could imagine that, only the cyclist would be too tight to stump up for
the fuel used.

Funny how, with most things, people *like* getting things for free.

I hope, out of principle, you decline any two-for-one offers next time
you're in a supermarket.

Ah, but those aren't actually saving you money - see extensive thread on
utl a few months ago!

tom

--
Nothing endures but change. -- Heraclitus

"Clive Coleman" wrote in message Cars and buses are what the roads are
for, cyclists just get a free ride
on their backs.
Tell you what, you petrolheads keep the roads built for cars, and leave the
roads built before cars were invented for cyclists.

Mike Sales

In message , Mike
Sales writes

"Clive Coleman" wrote in message Cars and buses are what the roads are
for, cyclists just get a free ride
on their backs.
Tell you what, you petrolheads keep the roads built for cars, and leave the
roads built before cars were invented for cyclists.

Mike Sales


That's right, you stick to the cobbles and tram lines, I'll stay with
tarmac.
--
Clive.

Clive Coleman wrote:

That's right, you stick to the cobbles and tram lines, I'll stay with
tarmac.

Roads were being macadamised long before cars or bicycles came on the
scene - McAdam himself died in 1836. However it was the campaigning by
the Cyclists Touring Club in the UK and League of American Wheelmen
(with their Good Roads Movement) in the US that led to widespread
macadamisation of road surfaces without which the early cars would have
been totally impractical. So hands off our tarmac thank you.

Tony

In message , Tony Raven
writes
So hands off our tarmac thank you.
How can it be your tarmac when you contribute nothing towards it?
Don't bother with the rubbish about fuel taxes being general taxation,
without them there's a lot of stuff you wouldn't now have, including
tarmac roads.
--
Clive.

"Clive Coleman" wrote in message
In message Mike
Sales writes

"Clive Coleman" wrote in message Cars and buses are what the roads are
for, cyclists just get a free ride
on their backs.
Tell you what, you petrolheads keep the roads built for cars, and leave
the
roads built before cars were invented for cyclists.

Mike Sales


That's right, you stick to the cobbles and tram lines, I'll stay with
tarmac.
--
I wrote "built" not "surfaced".
Mike Sales

Clive Coleman wrote:
In message , Tony Raven
writes

So hands off our tarmac thank you.

How can it be your tarmac when you contribute nothing towards it? Don't
bother with the rubbish about fuel taxes being general taxation, without
them there's a lot of stuff you wouldn't now have, including tarmac roads.

Since tarmac roads existed long before cars, and cyclists were
instrumental in their widespread installation that is demonstrably
incorrect.

In addition local roads are funded by the local authorities to which we
all pay council tax. Central government only pays for trunk roads and
motorways, most of which cyclists use rarely. So whatever Gordon does
with the VED you pay to him, it doesn't pay for most of the tarmac roads
I cycle on.

Tony

In message , Tony Raven
writes
In addition local roads are funded by the local authorities to which we
all pay council tax. Central government only pays for trunk roads and
motorways, most of which cyclists use rarely. So whatever Gordon does
with the VED you pay to him, it doesn't pay for most of the tarmac
roads I cycle on.
If you really paid all your council tax it would be four or five times
what it is now because the government subsidy would be withdrawn, so you
are just plain wrong.
--
Clive.

Clive Coleman wrote:

If you really paid all your council tax it would be four or five times
what it is now because the government subsidy would be withdrawn, so you
are just plain wrong.

Three times actually where I live but then transport is only 5% of
council budgets and that includes more than roads. But of course it all
starts with your fallacy that VED and fuel duty is hypothecated by
Government to road building which it isn't

Tony