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On a recent trip by Tramink, I was struck by the fact that the former
'double arrow' symbol still widely used to identify National Rail stations
does not appear on the trams' relevant destination blinds, eg Elmers End,
Beckenham Junc. and Wimbledon. Here in Belgium, the corresponding symbol
provides a convenient way of emphasising the way road and rail services are
integrated. Is this an example of the 'not invented here' syndrome, or is
there some other simple explanation?

Regards,

- Alan (in Brussels)



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Alan (in Brussels) wrote:
On a recent trip by Tramink, I was struck by the fact that the former
'double arrow' symbol still widely used to identify National Rail stations
does not appear on the trams' relevant destination blinds, eg Elmers End,
Beckenham Junc. and Wimbledon. Here in Belgium, the corresponding symbol
provides a convenient way of emphasising the way road and rail services are
integrated. Is this an example of the 'not invented here' syndrome, or is
there some other simple explanation?


Not sure of the explanation, but some bus blinds showing stations as
destinations *do* show the rail (and sometimes Tube) symbols. For
example, the 18 to Euston.

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Not sure of the explanation, but some bus blinds showing stations as
destinations *do* show the rail (and sometimes Tube) symbols. For
example, the 18 to Euston.


Interestingly, though unrelated to the original question, some (but
strangely not all) 258s to Watford Junction show the Tube symbol as
well as the NR one - is this in anticipation of the going-ahead (and
timely completion) of the Croxley Link?

Illustrated he
http://www.busesatwork.co.uk/images2...58_VTL1219.jpg

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Alan (in Brussels) wrote:

On a recent trip by Tramink, I was struck by the fact that the former
'double arrow' symbol still widely used to identify National Rail stations


What do you mean the "former 'double arrow' symbol?" It's still a double
arrow symbol, even if it's being used for "National Rail" instead of
British Rail.
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Not sure of the explanation, but some bus blinds showing stations as
destinations *do* show the rail (and sometimes Tube) symbols. For
example, the 18 to Euston.


Interestingly, though unrelated to the original question, some (but
strangely not all) 258s to Watford Junction show the Tube symbol as
well as the NR one - is this in anticipation of the going-ahead (and
timely completion) of the Croxley Link?

Illustrated he
http://www.busesatwork.co.uk/images2...58_VTL1219.jpg

Yes, very nice; why aren't they all like that ?

BTW surely the LT 'roundel' isn't *just* the 'Tube' (or even 'UndergrounD')
symbol?

- Alan (in Brussels)




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Interestingly, though unrelated to the original question, some (but
strangely not all) 258s to Watford Junction show the Tube symbol as
well as the NR one - is this in anticipation of the going-ahead (and
timely completion) of the Croxley Link?

Illustrated he
http://www.busesatwork.co.uk/images2...58_VTL1219.jpg

They probably think the Bakerloo still runs through to Watford Jct.

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Alan (in Brussels) wrote:
On a recent trip by Tramink, I was struck by the fact that the former
'double arrow' symbol still widely used to identify National Rail
stations does not appear on the trams' relevant destination blinds,
eg Elmers End, Beckenham Junc. and Wimbledon. Here in Belgium, the
corresponding symbol provides a convenient way of emphasising the way
road and rail services are integrated. Is this an example of the 'not
invented here' syndrome, or is there some other simple explanation?


Simple. There's no modal integration.


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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:19:08 +0200, "Alan \(in Brussels\)"
wrote:

a convenient way of emphasising the way road and rail services are
integrated.


I think a clue to the answer may lie here....
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"Arthur Figgis" ] wrote:

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:19:08 +0200, "Alan \(in Brussels\)"
wrote:

a convenient way of emphasising the way road and rail services are
integrated.


I think a clue to the answer may lie here....


Perhaps so far as through unit ticketing and/or timetabling is concerned,
but passenger interchange between tram and suburban rail platforms at Elmers
End and at Wimbledon is exemplary (compared eg with many Tube/Tube or even
bus/bus 'interchanges' in central London). So why not stress it wherever
possible?

Regards,

- Alan (in Brussels)


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Alan (in Brussels) wrote:
In the message ...
"Arthur Figgis" ] wrote:

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:19:08 +0200, "Alan \(in Brussels\)"
wrote:

a convenient way of emphasising the way road and rail services are
integrated.


I think a clue to the answer may lie here....


Perhaps so far as through unit ticketing and/or timetabling is
concerned, but passenger interchange between tram and suburban rail
platforms at Elmers End and at Wimbledon is exemplary (compared eg
with many Tube/Tube or even bus/bus 'interchanges' in central
London). So why not stress it wherever possible?


Because integration isn't permitted.




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