Is it just me or does it seem like someone at the top of TfL has it in for
the Borough of Bromley?

The Tube stops as New Cross, the Tram stops at Elmers End/Beckenham Junction
and the 726 coach is now to finish in Croydon. The Bromley North branch lost
its through trains years ago and Thameslink services to Sevenoaks are now a
distant memory.

I recall that the Fares Fair campaign started in Bromley - is this someone's
revenge?

Regards,
Max Batten

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MaxB wrote to uk.transport.london on Sat, 21 May 2005:

Is it just me or does it seem like someone at the top of TfL has it in for
the Borough of Bromley?

The Tube stops as New Cross, the Tram stops at Elmers End/Beckenham Junction
and the 726 coach is now to finish in Croydon. The Bromley North branch lost
its through trains years ago and Thameslink services to Sevenoaks are now a
distant memory.

I recall that the Fares Fair campaign started in Bromley - is this someone's
revenge?

"Fares Fair" was Ken Livingstone's attempt to cut Tube prices by 50%
during the last years of the GLC, and it was the ratepayers (I think it
was in those days) of Bromley, not being on the Tube, who objected to
subsidising ratepayers in those boroughs who were. And took the GLC to
court and won their case. And now who is mayor of London and heading up
TfL???? So you could well be right, but I couldn't possibly comment.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 3 April 2005

MaxB wrote:
Is it just me or does it seem like someone at the top of TfL has it
in for the Borough of Bromley?

The Tube stops as New Cross, the Tram stops at Elmers End/Beckenham
Junction and the 726 coach is now to finish in Croydon. The Bromley
North branch lost its through trains years ago and Thameslink
services to Sevenoaks are now a distant memory.

Your concern isn't shared by the London Borough of Bromley. Their web
site talks about "Excellent rail links to central London with a direct
service from Bromley South taking only 16 minutes [which may explain why
through trains from Bromley North ceased], and a range of services from
the other 26 rail stations in the Borough serving London main line
stations."

"The Tramlink terminus at Beckenham Junction provides another artery
into the Borough, and the New Addington terminus has a direct bus link
to Biggin Hill and surrounding areas." The Tramlink terminus at Elmers
End is also within the Borough.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

On Sat, 21 May 2005 14:17:21 +0100, "MaxB"
wrote:

Is it just me or does it seem like someone at the top of TfL has it in for
the Borough of Bromley?

I doubt it. I think the London Borough of Bromley is rather more keen on
car based transport than public transport if the truth be told.

The Tube stops as New Cross, the Tram stops at Elmers End/Beckenham Junction
and the 726 coach is now to finish in Croydon. The Bromley North branch lost
its through trains years ago and Thameslink services to Sevenoaks are now a
distant memory.

Well TfL and the Mayor have nothing to do with Bromley North trains or
Sevenoaks being served by Thameslink. I agree the 726 decision is silly
but TfL seem to be on a mission to kill the route completely. As for
Tramlink I can't see Bromley ever supporting a campaign that might
damage main line commuter services, might demolish properties or shock,
horror put trams down roads to the detriment of cars. If a council is
not fighting its corner then it will lose out in the wider scheme of
things given scarce resources.

I recall that the Fares Fair campaign started in Bromley - is this someone's
revenge?

Bromley is a pretty well off sort of place and parts of the Borough are
fairly rural / lightly populated so it's perhaps understandable that you
don't have buses running at 5 minute headways.

If you think you are badly off in terms of public transport - especially
buses then simply compare and contrast the service levels and fares and
network coverage with those "over the border" in Kent. I think you might
then realise you are not so badly off after all. I somehow imagine the
Mayor has more important things to do politically than trying to snub
for the London Borough of Bromley for past court cases.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

MaxB wrote:
Is it just me or does it seem like someone at the top of TfL has it in for
the Borough of Bromley?

The Tube stops as New Cross, the Tram stops at Elmers End/Beckenham Junction
and the 726 coach is now to finish in Croydon. The Bromley North branch lost
its through trains years ago and Thameslink services to Sevenoaks are now a
distant memory.


Tube stops?

Our borough has no tubes at all.

Francis

was in those days) of Bromley, not being on the Tube, who objected to
subsidising ratepayers in those boroughs who were. And took the GLC
to
court and won their case. And now who is mayor of London and heading
up

No doubt those same sorts of idiots would take the government to court
if they
could for having to subsidise public services in other parts of the
country through
their tax. People like that don't seem to quite get the idea of living
in a society.

B2003

"MaxB" wrote in message
...
Is it just me or does it seem like someone at the top of TfL has it in for
the Borough of Bromley?

With the excellent rail service to London (fast services from from Bromley
South and Orpington), it is surely your northern neighbours in Bexley who
should be moaning...

But then again, I don't necessarily want to see *more* public transport
here, just better *quality* public transport. I am fed up with noisey,
empty buses thundering all over the borough at night just polluting the
place because TfL have an obsession with frequency and zero regard for the
state of the infrastructure. I would love TfL to halve evening bus
frequency and provide two staff per bus - and that would be a clean bus with
no old food and drink containers strewn across it and without groups of
mindless vandals scratching the windows on the top deck.

I look at this way - if you want "city centre" levels of public transport,
then move to "proper" London, not the fringe boroughs where most people see
themselves as living outside London anyway.

Nick