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Bromley North Line
Is the line between Bromley North & Grove Park single or double Track?
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Bromley North Line
I believe it's double track up until just after Sundridge Park, where
the line then goes single until the double platform at Bromley North... That is all I can remember of it. I've a quail somewhere but I can't really find it right now. |
Bromley North Line
"Joe" wrote in message ups.com... Is the line between Bromley North & Grove Park single or double Track? AFAIK it is still double track and fully signalled, even though there's normally only one train on the branch. Peter |
Bromley North Line
AFAIK it is still double track and fully signalled, even though there's
normally only one train on the branch. Yea, that's why I asked. I was looking at the LDBs and all the trains seem to be shuttles. What's the reason for running it as a shuttle, anyone know? Congestion on the MainLine & other services couldnt be cutBack? |
Bromley North Line
"Joe" wrote in message oups.com... AFAIK it is still double track and fully signalled, even though there's normally only one train on the branch. Yea, that's why I asked. I was looking at the LDBs and all the trains seem to be shuttles. What's the reason for running it as a shuttle, anyone know? Congestion on the MainLine & other services couldnt be cutBack? When there were through trains they were much more lightly loaded than other Charing Cross and Cannon Street services, and of course running a train to Bromley North takes a path away from another route. Passengers from Bromley, at least to the West End, have a faster and much more frequent service from Bromley South to Victoria. The surprising thing is that the infrastructure hasn't been reduced to a siding - as has happened to Epsom Downs, while Crystal Palace - Beckenham Junction was singled before Tramlink became definite and took over the other half of the formation. Peter |
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Wed, 25 May 2005 17:37:22 +0000 (UTC), "Peter Masson" "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... AFAIK it is still double track and fully signalled, even though there's normally only one train on the branch. Yea, that's why I asked. I was looking at the LDBs and all the trains seem to be shuttles. What's the reason for running it as a shuttle, anyone know? Congestion on the MainLine & other services couldnt be cutBack? When there were through trains they were much more lightly loaded than other Charing Cross and Cannon Street services, and of course running a train to Bromley North takes a path away from another route. Passengers from Bromley, at least to the West End, have a faster and much more frequent service from Bromley South to Victoria. The surprising thing is that the infrastructure hasn't been reduced to a siding - as has happened to Epsom Downs, while Crystal Palace - Beckenham Junction was singled before Tramlink became definite and took over the other half of the formation. Bromley North used to be used as an overnight stabling point (and possibly a day time one as well). The quail map says the platforms are 10 cars (slam) or 8 cars (networker). The time table used to have a number of trains at the ends of service with first class accomodation which were CIGs (or VEPs) going for berthing. I think there were extra sidings in the past - the bus station looks suspiciously like it's been built on railway land... PRAR -- http://www.i.am/prar/ and http://prar.fotopic.net/ As long as people will accept crap, it will be financially profitable to dispense it. --Dick Cavett Please reply to the newsgroup. That is why it exists. NB Anti-spam measures in force - If you must email me use the Reply to address and not |
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"PRAR" wrote Bromley North used to be used as an overnight stabling point (and possibly a day time one as well). The quail map says the platforms are 10 cars (slam) or 8 cars (networker). The time table used to have a number of trains at the ends of service with first class accomodation which were CIGs (or VEPs) going for berthing. I think there were extra sidings in the past - the bus station looks suspiciously like it's been built on railway land... The track layout, according to your ASCII, doesn't appear to have changed since the 1976 London Bridge resignalling, except that the connections between the branch and the Up and Down Fast south of Grove Park have been abolished, and all trains now have to run through the Branch Platform. For a few years after the resignalling there were through trains to and from Charing Cross in the Monday - Friday peaks, and these needed to pass on the branch (or in the morning peak by the Down train using the Down Fast platfrom at Grove Park while the Up used the Branch platfrom). At the time there were also occasional London Bridge to Bromley North postals (using emus with the seats turned, IIRC), so there were a few occasions when both platfroms were needed at Bromley North. Although I recall (but can't say when) a siding adjacent to platform 2 at Bromley North (if you've got the numbering right - the August 1975 MR labels the eastern platfrom as 2) this isn't shown in the track diagram in the Aug 75 MR, and a 1976 WTT doesn't show any trains going for berthing (and the last arrival at Bromley North is balanced by an ecs from there to Grove Park shed). VEPs only arrived on the South Eastern Division in about 1973, and CIGs considerably later than that. If Bill Hayles is reading this he may have more information. Peter |
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I remember direct trains from Charing Cross to Bromley North in the
morning peaks in the early 1990s, but that's against the rush hour flow. So they were effectively empty stock workings anyway, like some of the current runs to Hither Green or Beckenham via Catford Bridge. The reason why these call at a couple of stations rather than just running empty may be to cover the other rush hour flow from Waterloo to London Bridge. |
Bromley North Line
"MIG" wrote in message oups.com... I remember direct trains from Charing Cross to Bromley North in the morning peaks in the early 1990s, but that's against the rush hour flow. So they were effectively empty stock workings anyway, like some of the current runs to Hither Green or Beckenham via Catford Bridge. The reason why these call at a couple of stations rather than just running empty may be to cover the other rush hour flow from Waterloo to London Bridge. I've just had another delve in the timetable archive - in 1988 there were three peak and one or two contra-peak through workings each way, the peak workings at about 40 minute intervals. As well as these, there were branch shuttles at about 10 minute intervals in the peaks. By 1991 the through trains had disappeared, but the shuttles were still at about 10 minute intervals, so there were two trains on the branch at a time. IIRC the through peak trains were reduced from 20 to 40 minute headways at the time when the Hastings line was electrified, half the paths being given up for through Charing Cross to Hastings trains. Peter |
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