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Travelcards on Heathrow Express/Connect during LU closure
The first time I've seen this happen on a scheduled basis: when the
District and Piccadilly lines are closed between Acton and Earls Court for scheduled engineering works over a number of weekends in the next twelve months, travelcards valid to Central London to Heathrow (Z1-6)will be accepted on both Heathrow Express and Heathrow Connect services. Full details in the TfL press release at: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...t.asp?prID=398 Has a similar thing happened in the past when there have been unscheduled closures of the Piccadilly, or would you have paid full fare on the Heathrow Express? |
Travelcards on Heathrow Express/Connect during LU closure
Full details in the TfL press release at:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...t.asp?prID=398 It seems passengers travelling between west of Acton Town (Heathrow excepted) and central London are a bit hard done by - they have to wait up to 20 minutes at Acton Town, just for the privilege of having to wait again at Ealing Broadway for another train to take them into London? Given the short length of the route, surely TfL would be able to provide a much higher frequency on the Acton Town - Ealing Bdy shuttle using only a small number of trains. Perhaps they are hoping everyone living on the Heathrow branch will realise they can just get a train in the "wrong" direction out to Heathrow and then use HEx? |
Travelcards on Heathrow Express/Connect during LU closure
wrote in message ups.com... The first time I've seen this happen on a scheduled basis: when the District and Piccadilly lines are closed between Acton and Earls Court for scheduled engineering works over a number of weekends in the next twelve months, travelcards valid to Central London to Heathrow (Z1-6)will be accepted on both Heathrow Express and Heathrow Connect services. Full details in the TfL press release at: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...t.asp?prID=398 I don't suppose that anyone knows whether: "London Underground Zone 1-6 Travelcard" Means only that exact ticket type, or any travelcard including Zones 1-6? tim |
Travelcards on Heathrow Express/Connect during LU closure
tim (moved to sweden) wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... The first time I've seen this happen on a scheduled basis: when the District and Piccadilly lines are closed between Acton and Earls Court for scheduled engineering works over a number of weekends in the next twelve months, travelcards valid to Central London to Heathrow (Z1-6)will be accepted on both Heathrow Express and Heathrow Connect services. Full details in the TfL press release at: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...t.asp?prID=398 I don't suppose that anyone knows whether: "London Underground Zone 1-6 Travelcard" Means only that exact ticket type, or any travelcard including Zones 1-6? If you'd bothered to read the press release at the URL given above, you would have seen the full wording: "LU customers who hold a valid London Underground Zone 1-6 Travelcard (both season and day tickets), a London Underground Zone 1-6 Oystercard (not PrePay) or a Freedom Pass are allowed to travel between Heathrow and Paddington on the Heathrow Express or the Heathrow Connect service." -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
Travelcards on Heathrow Express/Connect during LU closure
"Richard J." wrote in
. uk: ... Full details in the TfL press release at: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...s-releases-con tent.asp?prID=398 I don't suppose that anyone knows whether: "London Underground Zone 1-6 Travelcard" Means only that exact ticket type, or any travelcard including Zones 1-6? If you'd bothered to read the press release at the URL given above, you would have seen the full wording: "LU customers who hold a valid London Underground Zone 1-6 Travelcard (both season and day tickets), a London Underground Zone 1-6 Oystercard (not PrePay) or a Freedom Pass are allowed to travel between Heathrow and Paddington on the Heathrow Express or the Heathrow Connect service." Sorry but I think the wording could be clearer for the following circumstances: 1. Is an "out boundary" Zone 1-6 Travelcard (e.g. including zones A, B, C or D or from a National Rail station beyond Z6) valid? (presumably yes?) 2. Is a combination of travelcards (e.g. weekly Z1 plus one-day Z2-6) valid? (probably not?) David |
Travelcards on Heathrow Express/Connect during LU closure
"David Jackman" wrote in message . 26.234... "Richard J." wrote in . uk: ... Full details in the TfL press release at: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...s-releases-con tent.asp?prID=398 I don't suppose that anyone knows whether: "London Underground Zone 1-6 Travelcard" Means only that exact ticket type, or any travelcard including Zones 1-6? If you'd bothered to read the press release at the URL given above, you would have seen the full wording: "LU customers who hold a valid London Underground Zone 1-6 Travelcard (both season and day tickets), a London Underground Zone 1-6 Oystercard (not PrePay) or a Freedom Pass are allowed to travel between Heathrow and Paddington on the Heathrow Express or the Heathrow Connect service." Sorry but I think the wording could be clearer for the following circumstances: 1. Is an "out boundary" Zone 1-6 Travelcard (e.g. including zones A, B, C or D or from a National Rail station beyond Z6) valid? (presumably yes?) Thank you David, that is exactly the circumstance that I was referring to. When I have a station X (outside london) to all zones, I don't have at LU travelcard at all. I hoping that it would be valid but it's not 100% certain tim |
Travelcards on Heathrow Express/Connect during LU closure
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:57:05 +0200, "tim \(moved to sweden\)"
wrote: When I have a station X (outside london) to all zones, I don't have at LU travelcard at all. I hoping that it would be valid but it's not 100% certain Or a Travelcard for 1-6 issued by a National Rail station. The wording really should be clearer. It should either state "a London Underground-issued Travelcard", or "a Travelcard with validity including zones 1 to 6", or similar such wording, to avoid ambiguity and confusion. There is no such thing as simply a "London Underground Travelcard". The concept does not exist. Neil -- Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK When replying please use neil at the above domain 'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read. |
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In article . com,
() wrote: Full details in the TfL press release at: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...s-releases-con tent.asp?prID=398 The press release says, amongst other things: "The closures will result in no service on the Piccadilly line from Acton Town to Hyde Park Corner, with a reduced service on the rest of the line" They don't mention the reduced service on the rest of the line again; any idea what the service to the east of Hyde Park Corner is likely to be like? Or to Uxbridge? The release also says: "Customers can still travel between Central London and Heathrow on the Underground via the Central line to Ealing Broadway then the District line shuttle to Acton Town which will operate at a frequency of three trains per hour and then the Piccadilly line to Heathrow Terminals 123" Well, that's great. However, given that it takes 6 minutes for a train to fo from Ealing Broadway to Acton Town, how on earth does the shuttle work out at 3 tph? Even if it was worked by just one train, taking 6 minutes either way and having a 3-minute rest, that's 4 tph! tom -- All roads lead unto death row; who knows what's after? |
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Full details in the TfL press release at:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...s-releases-con tent.asp?prID=398 The release also says: "Customers can still travel between Central London and Heathrow on the Underground via the Central line to Ealing Broadway then the District line shuttle to Acton Town which will operate at a frequency of three trains per hour and then the Piccadilly line to Heathrow Terminals 123" Well, that's great. However, given that it takes 6 minutes for a train to fo from Ealing Broadway to Acton Town, how on earth does the shuttle work out at 3 tph? Even if it was worked by just one train, taking 6 minutes either way and having a 3-minute rest, that's 4 tph! Only 1.5 mins turnaround at each end, for the entire day, would be a bit hectic... Of course, they could always just use 2 trains, and actually provide a decent frequency. 3tph just doesn't cut it. It's a slap in the face considering the "customers" are already being highly inconvenienced by the closures. |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:03:22 +0100, Barry Salter
wrote: On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:33:17 +0100, Tom Anderson wrote: Well, that's great. However, given that it takes 6 minutes for a train to fo from Ealing Broadway to Acton Town, how on earth does the shuttle work out at 3 tph? Even if it was worked by just one train, taking 6 minutes either way and having a 3-minute rest, that's 4 tph! Gets better though, 'cos the Customer Charter trigger is a 15 minute wait, so you'd be able to claim a refund most of the time, it seems ;) Isn't that for a 15 minute *delay*? Otherwise the residents of Chesham, Chigwell etc could get free journeys whenever they wanted... |
Travelcards on Heathrow Express/Connect during LU closure
Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article . com, () wrote: The first time I've seen this happen on a scheduled basis: when the District and Piccadilly lines are closed between Acton and Earls Court for scheduled engineering works over a number of weekends in the next twelve months, travelcards valid to Central London to Heathrow (Z1-6)will be accepted on both Heathrow Express and Heathrow Connect services. Full details in the TfL press release at: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...s-releases-con tent.asp?prID=398 And what does this mean? "It will not be possible to run a bus service to and from Barons Court because of local street traffic conditions". Why can't they stop on West Cromwell Road to serve Baron's Court if they really can't turn round at the station? Talgarth Road, which is the part of the A4 at Barons Court, is IIRC a No-stopping Clearway at all times. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
Travelcards on Heathrow Express/Connect during LU closure
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Colin Rosenstiel writes And what does this mean? "It will not be possible to run a bus service to and from Barons Court because of local street traffic conditions". Why can't they stop on West Cromwell Road to serve Baron's Court if they really can't turn round at the station? If the service was extended from Hammersmith to Barons Court, it would need to be turned there - but there is no right turn off the A4 to the station. I don't think there's much chance of a stop on the A4 itself (without legislation) as it is a red-route and very busy. Having said all that, I should have thought it might be possible to turn left off the A4, up towards Edith Road, and then stop soon after leaving the A4, returning to Hammersmith along the Hammersmith Road. Nevertheless, there would probably not be any room for a stopover, and it would leave an awkward crossing for people back over the busy Talgarth Road. I suspect the truth of the matter is that Baron's Court is not greatly used by westbound passengers, especially at weekends - and Hammersmith is only a short walk away for those that do need the tube. -- Paul Terry |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, asdf wrote:
Full details in the TfL press release at: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...s-releases-con tent.asp?prID=398 The release also says: "Customers can still travel between Central London and Heathrow on the Underground via the Central line to Ealing Broadway then the District line shuttle to Acton Town which will operate at a frequency of three trains per hour and then the Piccadilly line to Heathrow Terminals 123" Well, that's great. However, given that it takes 6 minutes for a train to fo from Ealing Broadway to Acton Town, how on earth does the shuttle work out at 3 tph? Even if it was worked by just one train, taking 6 minutes either way and having a 3-minute rest, that's 4 tph! Only 1.5 mins turnaround at each end, for the entire day, would be a bit hectic... I guess they'd have to step back. Other than that, i don't see why it should be a big problem - after all, a normal station stop is shorter than that. Of course, they could always just use 2 trains, and actually provide a decent frequency. 3tph just doesn't cut it. It's a slap in the face considering the "customers" are already being highly inconvenienced by the closures. Quite so. Ideally, rather than relying on the shuttle, they'd extend the Heathrow - Acton Town Piccadilly stub to Ealing Broadway, via a reverse at Acton Town. I'm assuming the track layout permits this; i'd guess lack of drivers who know both legs prevents it, though. Trying to do that at any useful rate of trains per hour would also be a bit of a challenge. tom -- I know you wanna try and get away, but it's the hardest thing you'll ever know |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:17:55 +0100, Tom Anderson
wrote: On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, asdf wrote: Full details in the TfL press release at: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...s-releases-con tent.asp?prID=398 The release also says: "Customers can still travel between Central London and Heathrow on the Underground via the Central line to Ealing Broadway then the District line shuttle to Acton Town which will operate at a frequency of three trains per hour and then the Piccadilly line to Heathrow Terminals 123" Well, that's great. However, given that it takes 6 minutes for a train to fo from Ealing Broadway to Acton Town, how on earth does the shuttle work out at 3 tph? Even if it was worked by just one train, taking 6 minutes either way and having a 3-minute rest, that's 4 tph! Only 1.5 mins turnaround at each end, for the entire day, would be a bit hectic... I guess they'd have to step back. Other than that, i don't see why it should be a big problem - after all, a normal station stop is shorter than that. Erm, what would be the point in stepping back? They'd need to have 3 drivers for that. They could just use 2 trains, have a higher frequency, and only require 2 drivers. |
Travelcards on Heathrow Express/Connect during LU closure
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, asdf wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:17:55 +0100, Tom Anderson wrote: On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, asdf wrote: Full details in the TfL press release at: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...s-releases-con tent.asp?prID=398 The release also says: "Customers can still travel between Central London and Heathrow on the Underground via the Central line to Ealing Broadway then the District line shuttle to Acton Town which will operate at a frequency of three trains per hour and then the Piccadilly line to Heathrow Terminals 123" Well, that's great. However, given that it takes 6 minutes for a train to fo from Ealing Broadway to Acton Town, how on earth does the shuttle work out at 3 tph? Even if it was worked by just one train, taking 6 minutes either way and having a 3-minute rest, that's 4 tph! Only 1.5 mins turnaround at each end, for the entire day, would be a bit hectic... I guess they'd have to step back. Other than that, i don't see why it should be a big problem - after all, a normal station stop is shorter than that. Erm, what would be the point in stepping back? They'd need to have 3 drivers for that. They could just use 2 trains, have a higher frequency, and only require 2 drivers. Ah, er, yes, of course i was hoping you'd spot that. Yes, good point. tom -- In-jokes for out-casts |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:31:03 +0100, asdf
wrote: On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:17:55 +0100, Tom Anderson wrote: [Acton-ealing shuttle] I guess they'd have to step back. Other than that, i don't see why it should be a big problem - after all, a normal station stop is shorter than that. Erm, what would be the point in stepping back? They'd need to have 3 drivers for that. They could just use 2 trains, have a higher frequency, and only require 2 drivers. I think someone has underestimated the timing and pathing issues here. As all trains will need to reverse at Acton - that's all Heathrows, Rayners Lane and the Ealing Shuttle via one (?) turnback siding [1] between the Picc Line tracks I think a 20 minute frequency is pretty good going! The working arrangements are going to have to be pretty slick to handle all the movements without huge train jams developing on the approaches to Acton from the west. [1] happy to be corrected by our resident train drivers if I've got this wrong. I can't find my track plan. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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[Acton-ealing shuttle]
I think someone has underestimated the timing and pathing issues here. As all trains will need to reverse at Acton - that's all Heathrows, Rayners Lane and the Ealing Shuttle via one (?) turnback siding [1] between the Picc Line tracks I think a 20 minute frequency is pretty good going! The working arrangements are going to have to be pretty slick to handle all the movements without huge train jams developing on the approaches to Acton from the west. [1] happy to be corrected by our resident train drivers if I've got this wrong. I can't find my track plan. http://www.simonclarke.org/lul/maps/pic_strip.gif shows 3... |
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On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 18:34:48 +0100, asdf
wrote: [Acton-ealing shuttle] I think someone has underestimated the timing and pathing issues here. As all trains will need to reverse at Acton - that's all Heathrows, Rayners Lane and the Ealing Shuttle via one (?) turnback siding [1] between the Picc Line tracks I think a 20 minute frequency is pretty good going! The working arrangements are going to have to be pretty slick to handle all the movements without huge train jams developing on the approaches to Acton from the west. [1] happy to be corrected by our resident train drivers if I've got this wrong. I can't find my track plan. http://www.simonclarke.org/lul/maps/pic_strip.gif shows 3... That map is rather neat. Ta. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
Travelcards on Heathrow Express/Connect during LU closure
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Colin Rosenstiel writes In article , (Paul Terry) wrote: I suspect the truth of the matter is that Baron's Court is not greatly used by westbound passengers, especially at weekends - and Hammersmith is only a short walk away for those that do need the tube. Not the last time I used it, to get the Piccadilly to King's Cross from Olympia 2. I had a look yesterday (Saturday) and there were two people waiting on the Picc westbound platform at 8.30am (and none on the District line side). There was nobody at all waiting for any westbound service when we came back through Baron's Court at 10.20pm. Not very scientific, I know, but it is a pattern I have seen before at weekends. -- Paul Terry |
Travelcards on Heathrow Express/Connect during LU closure
In article ,
(Paul Terry) wrote: In message , Colin Rosenstiel writes In article , (Paul Terry) wrote: I suspect the truth of the matter is that Baron's Court is not greatly used by westbound passengers, especially at weekends - and Hammersmith is only a short walk away for those that do need the tube. Not the last time I used it, to get the Piccadilly to King's Cross from Olympia 2. I had a look yesterday (Saturday) and there were two people waiting on the Picc westbound platform at 8.30am (and none on the District line side). There was nobody at all waiting for any westbound service when we came back through Baron's Court at 10.20pm. Not very scientific, I know, but it is a pattern I have seen before at weekends. It was much busier than that when I used it (at least half a dozen waiting passengers Eastbound). It has been as busy on other occasions when changing trains. I used to use it regularly when I was at school but the school moved. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
Travelcards on Heathrow Express/Connect during LU closure
In message ,
Colin Rosenstiel writes It was much busier than that when I used it (at least half a dozen waiting passengers Eastbound). In case I wasn't sufficiently clear, I am referring ONLY to passengers travelling WESTBOUND from Barons Court at WEEKENDS (since this is what the thread is about). Reasonable numbers use the station on Mon-Fri, although as one of the few tube stations without any bus service, I don't think passenger numbers at Barons Court are as high as most Piccadilly line stops in the area. I do recall that some 10 years ago, when the Piccadilly was out of action for engineering work for a long weekend, there was a bus replacement service that called at Baron's Court, using those small mid-buses that could manage the narrow streets in the area. Perhaps so few people used this that tfl decided not to bother this time? -- Paul Terry |
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In message , Paul Corfield
writes I think someone has underestimated the timing and pathing issues here. As all trains will need to reverse at Acton - that's all Heathrows, Rayners Lane and the Ealing Shuttle via one (?) turnback siding [1] between the Picc Line tracks I think a 20 minute frequency is pretty good going! The working arrangements are going to have to be pretty slick to handle all the movements without huge train jams developing on the approaches to Acton from the west. [1] happy to be corrected by our resident train drivers if I've got this wrong. I can't find my track plan. Paul, there are 3 sidings at the east end of the station, but the principle's the same. -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) |
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