Destination Driven plan? (was timescale fixed (was timescale wrong) w/ questions for Clive)
 

In article .com,
wrote:

Had things been running smoothly, I'm guessing he was intending to
detonate around Piccadilly Circus (a junction and an internationally
renowned location) or Green Park (another junction). Which one was the

Why do you think Piccadilly Circus or Green Park are junctions ?
They're not.

Nick
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On 13 Jul 2005 07:01:11 -0700, wrote:

Piccadilly Circus would be better for international recognition, but I
wonder what the track configuration is there v. Green Park. I mention
this because the other two blastswere both near junctions about 10
minutes out from KXSP.

Thinking about this, could it therefore be that the bus bomb failed to
go off on time, and the holder of it was therefore panicking and
trying to return to base?

Once the perpetrator is identified, I wonder if he was seen on CCTV
boarding a train earlier on?

Neil

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In article .com,
wrote:

Piccadilly Circus would be better for international recognition, but I
wonder what the track configuration is there v. Green Park. I mention
this because the other two blastswere both near junctions about 10
minutes out from KXSP.

Green Park layout, in diagrammatic form:
--------------------------
============
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--------------------------

Piccadilly Circus:
--------------------------
============
============
--------------------------

------ running line
====== platform tunnel

Platform layout is from CULG (thanks Clive) - note both have two distinct
platform tunnels, this is not indicating a central island.

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Destination Driven plan? (was timescale fixed (was timescale wrong) w/ questions for Clive)
 

Nick Leverton wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:

Had things been running smoothly, I'm guessing he was intending to
detonate around Piccadilly Circus (a junction and an internationally
renowned location) or Green Park (another junction). Which one was the

Why do you think Piccadilly Circus or Green Park are junctions ?
They're not.

Wrong word. Lines converge at both places and that seemed to be
important on the two Circle Line blasts.

Destination Driven plan? (was timescale fixed (was timescale wrong) w/ questions for Clive)
 

timescale wrong
 

Steve Dulieu wrote:
"Steve Fitzgerald" ] wrote in message
...
I've just received a document that suggest some tests are being done
today to see if using Wood Green to reverse is feasible. I have no more
details on what is planned though. Steve??

Not going to happen. Currently cooking up something a bit more exciting...

Still on tenterhooks wondering what that could be. It all depends on
how long the Picc will be out of service. If we're talking MANY months
(and I just checked, and KX Northern Line was closed for 16 months
after the fire, so my guess is we're looking at a closure of 1-2
years), then maybe the 'bit more exciting' would be to replace the
trailing crossover at King's Cross with a facing one and let westbound
trains reverse on the eastbound line south of KX. Assuming the tunnel
profile can take it (possible either way; I don't exactly remember)
they could probably get that up and running, at least hand-worked,
within weeks.

Eventually they'd have to put the trailing crossover back, both because
facing crossovers are frowned upon when not strictly necessary and
because it would be a total pain to get stock off the Northern to get
to Acton Works if it was still there, but it would allow the Picc to
operate between KX and Cockfosters in the interim.

Destination Driven plan? (was timescale fixed (was timescale wrong) w/ questions for Clive)
 

In article .com,
wrote:
Nick Leverton wrote:

Why do you think Piccadilly Circus or Green Park are junctions ?
They're not.

Wrong word. Lines converge at both places and that seemed to be
important on the two Circle Line blasts.

I don't know why you think that either. On a quick and non-rigorous
check, I make it 34 interchange stations within the approx. area of
Zone 1, and 23 non-interchange ones. Both counts are probably low as I
couldn't be bothered to check where all the boundaries are. However using
those figures, if the bombers were working on a purely random basis,
it is likely that two bombs would explode at interchanges (p=0.51),
but not that three bombs would (p=0.37). Which is in fact what happened.

Also, if you mean that because lines have an interchange, a bomb on one
must affect the others, you can see a layout of Piccadilly Circus he
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...069/ltpicc.gif which shows
the lines are completely independent, whilst Green Park is infamous for
the long distance between lines at the interchange.

Nick
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Destination Driven plan? (was timescale fixed (was timescale wrong) w/ questions for Clive)
 

In article , Nick Leverton
writes
I don't know why you think that either. On a quick and non-rigorous
check, I make it 34 interchange stations within the approx. area of
Zone 1, and 23 non-interchange ones.

Using the current map, I make it:

* 27 stations with interchange between lines
* 22 station on one line only
* 8 stations served by one LU line but also a mainline service
* 4 stations (Aldgate, Aldgate East, Edgware Road [subsurface], and HSK)
which are divergence points for subsurface routes
Euston Square, and High Street Kensington) which can be
* Euston Square, which is arguably a mainline interchange and arguably
not.

So of 62 stations, between 27 and 40 are "interchanges".

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CCTV - timescale fixed (was timescale wrong) w/ questions for Clive
 

In article ,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

On 13 Jul 2005 07:01:11 -0700, wrote:

Piccadilly Circus would be better for international recognition, but I
wonder what the track configuration is there v. Green Park. I mention
this because the other two blastswere both near junctions about 10
minutes out from KXSP.

Thinking about this, could it therefore be that the bus bomb failed to
go off on time, and the holder of it was therefore panicking and
trying to return to base?

Once the perpetrator is identified, I wonder if he was seen on CCTV
boarding a train earlier on?

Neil

There is also CCTV equipment with cameras in all the cars on the
newer trains. This could possibly provide vital information following an
incident, especially when that incident is on the train or following the
trail of a suspect. However, On the Northern Line, a large percent of the
equipment is faulty and has been for a long while with no urgency to
rectify it, so it's unlikely that it would be of any help.

Roger

CCTV - timescale fixed (was timescale wrong) w/ questions for Clive
 

In message ,
writes

There is also CCTV equipment with cameras in all the cars on the
newer trains. This could possibly provide vital information following an
incident, especially when that incident is on the train or following the
trail of a suspect. However, On the Northern Line, a large percent of the
equipment is faulty and has been for a long while with no urgency to
rectify it, so it's unlikely that it would be of any help.

Given the importance for public safety of working CCTV equipment on both
buses and tubes, I should think there is a good case for bringing in
legislation to severely punish companies and individual managers who
fail to keep such equipment in full working order.

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