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Mayor Ken's secret plan to rid London of cycling menace.
Err, if I was one for hyperbole I would have chose the subject line
without my tongue being firmly in my cheek, possibly 'Problem with TfL Journey Planner' might have been less attention grabbing subject line. Still ... I think the TfL Journey Planner, http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk is quite useful, if you take the advanced options you'll find some options to help you plan cycle routes - an effort in the right direction I think. It has some flaws though. When trying to plan a route to take me from Bard Road, W10 to Bowes Road, W3, the route suggested would take me along the A40(M) - not a problem in itself, I've, err, done that stretch of moterway on my bicycle before - the real problem being getting my bike up to the elevated section without absailing equipment. In the end I did decide on a route of my own, around Shepherds Bush Green - probably not any safer though. There is a small part of my conspiratorial mind that makes me think it might be part of a wider plan though. What says you all? |
Mayor Ken's secret plan to rid London of cycling menace.
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:57:32 +0100, Colin wrote:
There is a small part of my conspiratorial mind that makes me think it might be part of a wider plan though. What says you all? I'd say that cycle routes are very subjective as there are many factors that can make them good or bad to any given individual cyclist, and as such they're best planned with a map and experience. Neil -- Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK When replying please use neil at the above domain 'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read. |
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Neil Williams wrote:
I'd say that cycle routes are very subjective as there are many factors that can make them good or bad to any given individual cyclist, and as such they're best planned with a map and experience. I'd also say that the lie of the land comes into it, which an A-Z won't show hills; my route to work has a cycle path most of the way, but ends up going up and down hill far more than taking the main road, which is mostly flat. -- Simon Hewison |
Mayor Ken's secret plan to rid London of cycling menace.
you can't absail (or even abseil) _up_ , you have to prusik ;-)
but ITYF there is a cycleable route between the two involving neither of the above, done it myself ( a while ago though) |
Mayor Ken's secret plan to rid London of cycling menace.
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:31:05 -0700, MartinM wrote:
you can't absail (or even abseil) _up_ , you have to prusik ;-) I suspected that absailing was a one-way persuit ;-) but ITYF there is a cycleable route between the two involving neither of the above, done it myself ( a while ago though) Over the railway line? I work in Bard Road, know, or thought I knew, the Westway Sports Centre area, and can think of nothing that goes over the railway line at that point. Can you remember any clues? |
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Colin wrote:
What says you all? I say, as I've said many times before, use http://www.cyclemaps.com *. It may not be perfect (I believe it started from the same TfL database) but the last time someone pointed out the use of a helicopter the guy went out that weekend and sorted it, as he has other mapping errors I've found. In the end though there is no substitute from the knowledge built up from experience. -- Tony "I did make a mistake once - I thought I'd made a mistake but I hadn't" Anon * Quiet route: BARD ROAD for 216 meters Turn left onto FRESTON ROAD for 223 meters Go straight on PATH UNDER FLYOVER for 115 meters Go straight on STABLE WAY for 199 meters Go straight on LATIMER ROAD for 517 meters Turn left onto NORTH POLE ROAD for 84 meters Turn left onto EYNHAM ROAD for 222 meters Turn right onto NASCOT STREET for 122 meters Turn left onto WOOD LANE for 15 meters Turn right onto DU CANE ROAD for 1,319 meters Turn left onto HILARY ROAD for 66 meters Turn right onto NORBROKE STREET for 231 meters Turn left onto OLD OAK COMMON LANE for 64 meters Go straight on OLD OAK ROAD for 15 meters Go straight on OLD OAK COMMON LANE for 77 meters Go straight on EAST ACTON LANE for 225 meters Turn left onto for 33 meters Turn left onto GLENDUN ROAD for 49 meters Turn left onto BOWES ROAD Direct Route BARD ROAD 216 METRES TURN LEFT FRESTON ROAD 223 METRES AHEAD PATH UNDER FLYOVER 115 METRES AHEAD STABLE WAY 199 METRES AHEAD LATIMER ROAD 517 METRES TURN LEFT NORTH POLE ROAD 162 METRES TURN LEFT WOOD LANE 222 METRES TURN RIGHT DU CANE ROAD 1,319 METRES TURN LEFT HILARY ROAD 66 METRES TURN RIGHT NORBROKE STREET 231 METRES TURN LEFT OLD OAK COMMON LANE 64 METRES AHEAD OLD OAK ROAD 15 METRES TURN RIGHT WESTERN AVENUE 228 METRES TURN LEFT GLENDUN ROAD 99 METRES TURN RIGHT BOWES ROAD 193 METRES |
Mayor Ken's secret plan to rid London of cycling menace.
"Colin" wrote in message ... Err, if I was one for hyperbole I would have chose the subject line without my tongue being firmly in my cheek, possibly 'Problem with TfL Journey Planner' might have been less attention grabbing subject line. Still ... I think the TfL Journey Planner, http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk is quite useful, if you take the advanced options you'll find some options to help you plan cycle routes - an effort in the right direction I think. snip You caused me to look at the site and try (as a thought experiment only) its suggestion for a journey I used to do regularly. It suggests 42 minutes cycling and a rather ziggy zaggy route -- presumably to avoid the Lea Bridge Road -- which I would regard as perfectly cyclable. Memory suggests the more direct route could be done comfortably inside 30 minutes -- though that included a short cut through Epping Forest that could get soggy in the winter. The alternatives using buses and tubes all came out in the 1:10 to 1:20 range -- partly because the start point is nearly a mile from a bus stop or tube station -- though gave some interesting alternatives I would not necessarily have considered. Looking at Transport Direct (http://www.transportdirect.info) the public transport times were very similar. However, the door to door car time suggested is 39 minutes for 8.3 miles (again, by a reasonable route but not one that I would not have picked as a local with local knowledge). The time sounds a little pessimistic on a good day and wildly optimistic on a bad one. What is concealed in the car time is that it is impossible to park within 1/2 to 3/4 mile of the destination so you need to add a further 10 minutes walking time. The future of transport in cities is clear :~) T |
Mayor Ken's secret plan to rid London of cycling menace.
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:57:32 +0100, Colin wrote:
I think the TfL Journey Planner, http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk is quite useful, if you take the advanced options you'll find some options to help you plan cycle routes - an effort in the right direction I think. There is http://www.londoncyclenetwork.org Click on the 'Mapping' link. I just tried it, and the maps to my eye are not as clear as the paper ones. |
Mayor Ken's secret plan to rid London of cycling menace.
"Colin" wrote in message ... Err, if I was one for hyperbole I would have chose the subject line without my tongue being firmly in my cheek, possibly 'Problem with TfL Journey Planner' might have been less attention grabbing subject line. Still ... I think the TfL Journey Planner, http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk is quite useful, if you take the advanced options you'll find some options to help you plan cycle routes - an effort in the right direction I think. It has some flaws though. When trying to plan a route to take me from Bard Road, W10 to Bowes Road, W3, the route suggested would take me along the A40(M) - not a problem in itself, I've, err, done that stretch of moterway on my bicycle before - the real problem being getting my bike up to the elevated section without absailing equipment. The A40(M) isn't actually a motorway any more. See URL:http://pathetic.org.uk/motorways/a40m.htm So, it's perfectly legal to cycle along that stretch of road - unless there's a Traffic Restriction Order in place. I don't know where you'll be able to check that. Incidentally, you'll NEVER get your bike UP with absailing equipment - that's designed for going DOWN ;-) -- MatSav |
Mayor Ken's secret plan to rid London of cycling menace.
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:57:32 +0100, Colin wrote:
It has some flaws though. When trying to plan a route to take me from Bard Road, W10 to Bowes Road, W3, the route suggested would take me along the A40(M) - not a problem in itself, I've, err, done that stretch of moterway on my bicycle before Is that legal? I live near the A1(M) and certainly wouldn't cycle on it (although I have had to ride on the A1 a couple of times). -- jc |
Mayor Ken's secret plan to rid London of cycling menace.
Tony Raven wrote:
Colin wrote: What says you all? I say, as I've said many times before, use http://www.cyclemaps.com *. It may not be perfect (I believe it started from the same TfL database) but the last time someone pointed out the use of a helicopter the guy went out that weekend and sorted it, as he has other mapping errors I've found. In the end though there is no substitute from the knowledge built up from experience. Cyclemaps suggests I go through Pentonville Prison on my way to work, which is amusing, but the map shows a correct route. TFL comes up with a route that avoids King's Cross, and gets the journey time spot on at 17 minutes. However it suggests going through Euston station gardens, which might prove difficult. |
Mayor Ken's secret plan to rid London of cycling menace.
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Neil Williams ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying : I'd say that cycle routes are very subjective as there are many factors that can make them good or bad to any given individual cyclist, and as such they're best planned with a map and experience. I think it's fairly reasonable for them to set the software to exclude the A40(M) from a cycling route, though... |
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Jeremy Collins ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying : It has some flaws though. When trying to plan a route to take me from Bard Road, W10 to Bowes Road, W3, the route suggested would take me along the A40(M) - not a problem in itself, I've, err, done that stretch of moterway on my bicycle before Is that legal? I live near the A1(M) and certainly wouldn't cycle on it Y'know, I was always under the impression that the Highway Code applied to cyclists, and that they were meant to *read* it occasionally...? shrug http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/23.htm#227 Would you like to hazard a guess as to what the (M) stands for? |
Mayor Ken's secret plan to rid London of cycling menace.
Colin wrote: On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:31:05 -0700, MartinM wrote: you can't absail (or even abseil) _up_ , you have to prusik ;-) I suspected that absailing was a one-way persuit ;-) but ITYF there is a cycleable route between the two involving neither of the above, done it myself ( a while ago though) Over the railway line? I work in Bard Road, know, or thought I knew, the Westway Sports Centre area, and can think of nothing that goes over the railway line at that point. Can you remember any clues? I think there is a bridge under by the scrapyard right under the road interchange. Hardly very salubrious but nicer than Shepherd's Bush |
Mayor Ken's secret plan to rid London of cycling menace.
Jeremy Collins wrote: On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:57:32 +0100, Colin wrote: It has some flaws though. When trying to plan a route to take me from Bard Road, W10 to Bowes Road, W3, the route suggested would take me along the A40(M) - not a problem in itself, I've, err, done that stretch of moterway on my bicycle before Is that legal? I live near the A1(M) and certainly wouldn't cycle on it (although I have had to ride on the A1 a couple of times). the A40 has been declassified on the Westway, no longer a motorway, though there may still be a cycling ban, will check tomorrow. |
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Tony W wrote:
The future of transport in cities is clear :~) That reminds me, did anyone see the excellent piece by Polly Toynbee in yesterday's Grauniad? "Let the Olympics make London a bikes-first city " url:http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1532002,00.html Responses on today's letters page: url:http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,,1533000,00.html d. |
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Adrian wrote:
Y'know, I was always under the impression that the Highway Code applied to cyclists, and that they were meant to *read* it occasionally...? shrug http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/23.htm#227 Would you like to hazard a guess as to what the (M) stands for? I guess the question is how many times have you seen someone cycling on a motorway (Kenyan team at the Manchester Commonwealth Games excluded) versus how many times have I seen cars and motorbikes driven on bridleways? Bet my number is bigger than yours. -- Tony "I did make a mistake once - I thought I'd made a mistake but I hadn't" Anon |
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Tony Raven ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying : I guess the question is how many times have you seen someone cycling on a motorway (Kenyan team at the Manchester Commonwealth Games excluded) versus how many times have I seen cars and motorbikes driven on bridleways? Bet my number is bigger than yours. Are we back to trying to figure out how many wrongs make a right? People driving cars and riding motorbikes over RoW without a vehicular right of way are in the wrong. Simple as that. They should not be there. However, don't forget that some Bridleways are BOATs, though, and that vehicles don't need an explicit RoW if they have the landowner's permission. Most people cycling on Footpaths are in the wrong, too. |
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On 21 Jul 2005 02:38:58 -0700 someone who may be "MartinM"
wrote this:- the A40 has been declassified on the Westway, no longer a motorway, Indeed. According to uk.transport this was part of an anti-motorist plan by Ken Livingstone. All the little bits of motorway in London (parts of the plans to destroy London with motorways that were never carried out) which the road lobby were hoping would eventually be linked up have been "declassified". It would be nice to think that they would soon start removing these roads, but in reality Mr Livingstone wants to build more motorways, as the so-called Thames Gateway Bridge clearly illustrates. http://www.livingstreets.org.uk/page.php?pageid=425 http://www.transport2000.org.uk/camp...afficBrief.htm and http://www.foe.co.uk/resource/press_..._19082004.html present an alternative view of this folly to Mr Livingstone's. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government prevents me by using the RIP Act 2000. |
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On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:21:22 +0100, Adrian wrote:
Jeremy Collins ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : It has some flaws though. When trying to plan a route to take me from Bard Road, W10 to Bowes Road, W3, the route suggested would take me along the A40(M) - not a problem in itself, I've, err, done that stretch of moterway on my bicycle before Is that legal? I live near the A1(M) and certainly wouldn't cycle on it Y'know, I was always under the impression that the Highway Code applied to cyclists, and that they were meant to *read* it occasionally...? shrug http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/23.htm#227 Would you like to hazard a guess as to what the (M) stands for? I know perfectly well what the M stands for. I think you misunderstood my post. -- jc |
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Adrian wrote:
Tony Raven ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : I guess the question is how many times have you seen someone cycling on a motorway (Kenyan team at the Manchester Commonwealth Games excluded) versus how many times have I seen cars and motorbikes driven on bridleways? Bet my number is bigger than yours. Are we back to trying to figure out how many wrongs make a right? So I take it the answer is you have never seen someone cycling on a motorway. So much for your HC ignorant cyclists. However, don't forget that some Bridleways are BOATs, though, and that vehicles don't need an explicit RoW if they have the landowner's permission. No BOATs and Bridleways are different. Only the fast disappearing RUPPs have variable access rights for motor vehicles and most of those will be reclassified as Restricted Byways with no motor vehicle rights. -- Tony "I did make a mistake once - I thought I'd made a mistake but I hadn't" Anon |
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Neil Williams wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:57:32 +0100, Colin wrote: There is a small part of my conspiratorial mind that makes me think it might be part of a wider plan though. What says you all? I'd say that cycle routes are very subjective as there are many factors that can make them good or bad to any given individual cyclist, and as such they're best planned with a map and experience. To some extent. Certainly, people have different likes and dislikes for their routes, but i think there's a reasonable amount of agreement about what makes a good route. The problem is that the mapping sites don't incorporate that - they just find the shortest route over the roads, possibly avoiding classes of roads which they think are scary for cyclists. An idea i've been kicking around for a while is to start a website - a sort of 'cyclist's rutter' - collecting people's tried and tested routes, broken up into routes between key nodal points, so that someone wanting to get from A to B can come along and pick out route components which will help them. This would beat just using a map, since it would incorporate human judgement on the routes. The routes could also be annotated with comments, pictures, directions, whatever, which would make them more useful. tom -- The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while nature cures the disease. -- Voltaire |
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Tony Raven ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying : I guess the question is how many times have you seen someone cycling on a motorway (Kenyan team at the Manchester Commonwealth Games excluded) versus how many times have I seen cars and motorbikes driven on bridleways? Bet my number is bigger than yours. Are we back to trying to figure out how many wrongs make a right? So I take it the answer is you have never seen someone cycling on a motorway. So much for your HC ignorant cyclists. I have, actually. But not many people are stupid enough, it's true. Bear in mind, though, that my post was in response to Jeremy explicitly asking if cycling on a motorway was legal - to which he really ought to know the answer. That doesn't alter the fundamental lack of a 2:1 exchange rate between wrongs and rights. I've never seen anybody stealing a car, but that doesn't mean shoplifting is okay, just because more people do it. No BOATs and Bridleways are different. You are, of course, right. I was mentally thinking of BOAT as Bridleway Open to All Traffic, when it is - of course - a Byway Open to All Traffic. Mea Culpa. Only the fast disappearing RUPPs have variable access rights for motor vehicles and most of those will be reclassified as Restricted Byways with no motor vehicle rights. Don't remind me. It would seem that exclusive use of 95% of RoWs isn't enough for some people, and they want over 98% - but, presumably, they STILL won't be happy. Selfishness abounds, as usual. (http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-cou...issues/public/) |
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Jeremy Collins ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying : Would you like to hazard a guess as to what the (M) stands for? I know perfectly well what the M stands for. I think you misunderstood my post. Forgive me. I naively assumed that you asking "Is that legal" in response to a comment about cycling on the A40(M), then going on to say you didn't fancy cycling on the A1(M) was along the general lines of you asking if it was legal to cycle on Motorway-classified roads. |
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David Hansen wrote:
Indeed. According to uk.transport this was part of an anti-motorist plan by Ken Livingstone. All the little bits of motorway in London (parts of the plans to destroy London with motorways that were never carried out) which the road lobby were hoping would eventually be linked up have been "declassified". Yay! Ken Leninspart and his black helichopters terrorise uk.tosspot! However, in spite of the "downgrading" of the assorted proto-motorways, AFAIK cycling is still Policely Forbidden thereupon, as it is on certain other not-now-and-never-have-been-a-motorway roads, such as the tunnel and flyover sections of the A406. -- Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ Stop it! You're scarin' the Hippo... |
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Dave Larrington wrote:
AFAIK cycling is still Policely Forbidden thereupon, as it is on certain other not-now-and-never-have-been-a-motorway roads, such as the tunnel and flyover sections of the A406. All of them? I've cycled over the flyover bit by the start of the M1 a few times without noticing a "No Cycling" sign. Oh dear, was I bad? ISTR there are cycling-free bits up towards Whipps Cross. -- Dave... |
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dkahn400 wrote:
All of them? I've cycled over the flyover bit by the start of the M1 a few times without noticing a "No Cycling" sign. Oh dear, was I bad? ISTR there are cycling-free bits up towards Whipps Cross. I'm pretty sure there's a "No cycling" sign at the eastbound end of the Staples Corner flyover; there certainly is at the one by the end of the M11 and in the Fore Street tunnel. I think there are others in the vicinity of The Death Of The Soul and further round towards Barking. -- Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ The elder stoat leads, in all circumstances. |
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On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:41:49 +0100, David Hansen wrote:
Indeed. According to uk.transport this was part of an anti-motorist plan by Ken Livingstone. All the little bits of motorway in London (parts of the plans to destroy London with motorways that were never carried out) which the road lobby were hoping would eventually be linked up have been "declassified". No, not 'anti-motorist' at all. I read on a website that this was due to the roads in question being given to Transport for London to run. TfL cannot by law run motorways, so these short stretches had to be declassified. I may be wrong - and stand to be corrected. On the short section from Shepherd's Bush up to join the A40 Westway there is a cycling ban. 50mph limit on that stretch also. |
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On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:13:12 +0100, Tom Anderson wrote:
An idea i've been kicking around for a while is to start a website - a sort of 'cyclist's rutter' - collecting people's tried and tested routes, broken up into routes between key nodal points, so that someone wanting to get from A to B can come along and pick out route components which will help them. I've kicked about ideas for a London cyclists Wiki. A Wiki would be ideal for your idea here. |
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On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:19:26 +0000, Adrian wrote:
I think it's fairly reasonable for them to set the software to exclude the A40(M) from a cycling route, though... No A40(M) or any other M's in London (except the biggies 3,4, 11, 25 etc). There should be signs on the on-ramps prohibiting cyclists, horses and carts and small-capacity mopeds though. I'll agree that having them on a journey planner is a bit daft. |
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MatSav wrote: Incidentally, you'll NEVER get your bike UP with absailing equipment - that's designed for going DOWN ;-) Is that a challenge? IIRC the main feature of such a piece of equipment is to prevent the rope from slipping past too quickly.. And such an arrangement can easily be modified to work for going up as well as down.. (says the bloke who has absailed using almost everything from 'classic' to the latest and greatest fancy bits..) A prusik knot is a pain in the **** for ascending, there are many better variants out there. ...d |
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MatSav ) gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying : The A40(M) isn't actually a motorway any more. See URL:http://pathetic.org.uk/motorways/a40m.htm ****up. Brewery. |
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John Hearns wrote:
No, not 'anti-motorist' at all. I read on a website that this was due to the roads in question being given to Transport for London to run. TfL cannot by law run motorways, so these short stretches had to be declassified. I may be wrong - and stand to be corrected. On the short section from Shepherd's Bush up to join the A40 Westway there is a cycling ban. 50mph limit on that stretch also. That's the story on pathetic.org.uk. My mate Ian was once clobbered riding on the A102(M) at three in the morning, so he rode up the Old Ford slip road, waited until the dibbles had cleared off and carried on. Back then most of it had a 60 mph limit - nowadays it's 40 from the M11 link road all the way to the Blackwall tunnel. -- Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ Historians' Right To Work Campaign - We Demand A Continuing Supply Of History! |
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David Hansen wrote:
as the so-called Thames Gateway Bridge clearly illustrates. Thames Gateway Bridge? Isn't that the one they started building a few years ago and then gave up? The bits of it they actually built are still visible - on the docklands road near the Beckton Savacentre, right by the old gasworks where they filmed Full Metal Jacket. (Well, they were still there last time I looked, but come to think of it, it's four years since I moved out of east London... the area was pretty much derelict at the time but is by now probably a thriving residential estate for "executives"...) d. |
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On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:37:38 -0700, davek wrote:
David Hansen wrote: as the so-called Thames Gateway Bridge clearly illustrates. Thames Gateway Bridge? Isn't that the one they started building a few years ago and then gave up? The bits of it they actually built are still visible - on the docklands road near the Beckton Savacentre, right by the old gasworks where they filmed Full Metal Jacket. (Well, they were still there last time I looked, but come to think of it, it's four years since I moved out of east London... the area was pretty much derelict at the time but is by now probably a thriving residential estate for "executives"...) The gasworks site and the bridge are still there. A huge new Tescos plus associated shops has been built, plus new access roads so there will be housing there soon. We do rides there on occasion, and always stop to comment on Full Metal Jacket. There is a new path implemented, which runs from Tescos to the river at the gasworks piers (where the coal was unloaded) then past the sewage farm and the up Barking Creek. Last time I was in the area the path was not open. I might be starting a rumour, but I think a pedestrian bridge over Barking Creek is on the cards. If you are in the area, make sure to go east of the Creek and visit Dagenham City Farm. Excellent cheap food, big roast dinners on Sunday. |
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On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, John Hearns wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:13:12 +0100, Tom Anderson wrote: An idea i've been kicking around for a while is to start a website - a sort of 'cyclist's rutter' - collecting people's tried and tested routes, broken up into routes between key nodal points, so that someone wanting to get from A to B can come along and pick out route components which will help them. I've kicked about ideas for a London cyclists Wiki. A Wiki would be ideal for your idea here. I think you could be right there. Bide your time, my friend, for soon our plans will come to fruition ... tom -- Batman always wins |
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"David Martin" wrote ... MatSav wrote: Incidentally, you'll NEVER get your bike UP with absailing equipment - that's designed for going DOWN ;-) Is that a challenge? IIRC the main feature of such a piece of equipment is to prevent the rope from slipping past too quickly.. And such an arrangement can easily be modified to work for going up as well as down.. (says the bloke who has absailed using almost everything from 'classic' to the latest and greatest fancy bits..) A prusik knot is a pain in the **** for ascending, there are many better variants out there. ..d "Ab" is the German word for "down", "seil" is the German word for rope. To abseil is to descend a rope using a braking device. The abseiling equipment that I've used (everything from the Dulfersitz to a Gri-Gri , which only works on a single strand) prevents the abseiler from slipping down the rope too quickly by wrapping the rope around something, usually a locking carabiner. Since the rope has to be held in tension in order for the abseiling device to work, it's going to be rather difficult to move the abseiling device up the rope, although the abseiling device and the attached climber/abseiler can be allowed to slide down the rope pretty easily by moderating tension on the unanchored end of the rope and letting gravity do the work. I'm not sure what you classify as abseiling equipment, but nothing that I've used to abseil with would be especialy suited for ascending, except perhaps short distances on low angle slabs. -- mark |
Mayor Ken's secret plan to rid London of cycling menace.
mark wrote: "David Martin" wrote ... MatSav wrote: Incidentally, you'll NEVER get your bike UP with absailing equipment - that's designed for going DOWN ;-) Is that a challenge? IIRC the main feature of such a piece of equipment is to prevent the rope from slipping past too quickly.. And such an arrangement can easily be modified to work for going up as well as down.. (says the bloke who has absailed using almost everything from 'classic' to the latest and greatest fancy bits..) A prusik knot is a pain in the **** for ascending, there are many better variants out there. ..d "Ab" is the German word for "down", "seil" is the German word for rope. To abseil is to descend a rope using a braking device. The abseiling equipment that I've used (everything from the Dulfersitz to a Gri-Gri , which only works on a single strand) prevents the abseiler from slipping down the rope too quickly by wrapping the rope around something, usually a locking carabiner. Since the rope has to be held in tension in order for the abseiling device to work, it's going to be rather difficult to move the abseiling device up the rope, although the abseiling device and the attached climber/abseiler can be allowed to slide down the rope pretty easily by moderating tension on the unanchored end of the rope and letting gravity do the work. I'm not sure what you classify as abseiling equipment, but nothing that I've used to abseil with would be especialy suited for ascending, except perhaps short distances on low angle slabs. Obviously it isn't ideal for ascending, but that doesn't mean it can't be done ;-) I could probably do SRT with a petzl stop and a figure eight (or a couple of spare karabiners and a cows tail, or a spare sling, or... Adaptability is the name of the game. You can spot the serious climbers cos they have 250kg breaking strain bootlaces.. ...d |
Mayor Ken's secret plan to rid London of cycling menace.
David Martin wrote: Obviously it isn't ideal for ascending, but that doesn't mean it can't be done ;-) I could probably do SRT with a petzl stop and a figure eight (or a couple of spare karabiners and a cows tail, or a spare sling, or... Adaptability is the name of the game. You can spot the serious climbers cos they have 250kg breaking strain bootlaces.. AFAIK apart from a prussik (sp?) knot the only useful bit of kit for climbing a rope is a Croll (I only know of Petzl ones but there may be others) or maybe a Shunt in extremis. You can't attach a fig8 or Stop to a loaded rope. |
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