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Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful
pilot The Times reports (article 23rd July entitiled "Box junctions to be policed by camera") that following the success of trial in 6 boroughs where there was a 23% reduction in the number of motorists stopping in yellow boxes, box-junction cameras are to be offered to all 33 councils in London. The pilot scheme involved 96,000 penalty charge (£50 or £100) notices being issued during the trial, including 31,000 that were issued to drivers stopping in box junctions, 1,700 issued to motorists ignoring no entry signs, and 10,000 given to motorists for driving where vehicles are not permitted. As these are rolled out London wide, hopefully more road users will see the benefits of reduced congestion. I will be writing to my council suggesting a couple of areas where they might consider putting a box junction camera, where I have seen drivers causing congestion by breaking box junction rules. Other readers here may consider doing the same. Dave |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
Dave wrote:
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot The Times reports (article 23rd July entitiled "Box junctions to be policed by camera") that following the success of trial in 6 boroughs where there was a 23% reduction in the number of motorists stopping in yellow boxes, box-junction cameras are to be offered to all 33 councils in London. The pilot scheme involved 96,000 penalty charge (£50 or £100) notices being issued during the trial, including 31,000 that were issued to drivers stopping in box junctions, 1,700 issued to motorists ignoring no entry signs, and 10,000 given to motorists for driving where vehicles are not permitted. As these are rolled out London wide, hopefully more road users will see the benefits of reduced congestion. I will be writing to my council suggesting a couple of areas where they might consider putting a box junction camera, where I have seen drivers causing congestion by breaking box junction rules. Other readers here may consider doing the same. How do these work. I am particularly thinking of the case where people have stopped in them to turn right? If you found yourself stuck in a box junction, could you just put on your right indicator to try and "save" yourself? Sean |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
"Dave" wrote:
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot They're morons, as are the politicians who passed the law. The law has not been drafted correctly - Legal to stop - Turning right & oncoming traffic Turning right & queued behind vehicle turning right (the reasons for the vehicle in at the head of the queue not completing the move are irrelevant) Not turning right and not blocked by stationary vehicles Illegal to stop - At head of a queue turning right & no oncoming traffic Not turning right and blocked by stationary vehicles Legal to remain stationary - Turning right & oncoming traffic Turning right & queued behind vehicle turning right (the reasons for the vehicle in at the head of the queue not completing the move are irrelevant) Not turning right. Illegal to remain stationary - At head of a queue turning right & no oncoming traffic |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
How do these work. I am particularly thinking of the case where people
have stopped in them to turn right? You should NOT enter a box junction unless your exit is CLEAR. And you should be prepared to SLOW DOWN and STOP before a box junction if your exit is NOT clear. If you found yourself stuck in a box junction, could you just put on your right indicator to try and "save" yourself? If you follow the rules, you should not get stuck in a box junction. If you do, then you've failed and expect to get the necessary punishment for your failure to know the highway code. |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successfulpilot
Sean wrote:
If you found yourself stuck in a box junction, could you just put on your right indicator to try and "save" yourself? Sean If you "find yourself stuck in a box junction" I would suggest you aren't doing it right: HC.150: "... You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear." -- Chris |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
"Dave" wrote in message
oups.com... Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot I have found a box junction where you can't see whether the exit is clear until you have already entered it. I have also found a box junction on the brow of a hill where you have no idea how far the box extends until you have already entered it. While I can't stand people who habitually block junctions, professional drivers will find it very hard not to get a fine a week -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:39:18 +0100, John Rowland wrote:
I have found a box junction where you can't see whether the exit is clear until you have already entered it. I have also found a box junction on the brow of a hill where you have no idea how far the box extends until you have already entered it. Where are they? -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9680378.html (87 029 at Wolverhampton in 1979 - why only paint half the springs?) |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
Daytona wrote:
"Dave" wrote: Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot They're morons, as are the politicians who passed the law. The law has not been drafted correctly - Legal to stop - Turning right & oncoming traffic Turning right & queued behind vehicle turning right (the reasons for the vehicle in at the head of the queue not completing the move are irrelevant) Not turning right and not blocked by stationary vehicles Illegal to stop - At head of a queue turning right & no oncoming traffic Not turning right and blocked by stationary vehicles Legal to remain stationary - Turning right & oncoming traffic Turning right & queued behind vehicle turning right (the reasons for the vehicle in at the head of the queue not completing the move are irrelevant) Not turning right. Illegal to remain stationary - At head of a queue turning right & no oncoming traffic Thanks for that info, I was not aware on the exemptions for right turning vehicles, and I'm very glad they exist. I live near a box junction that's on a main road where I often turn right. If I was to stay out of the yellow box then I'd block all the traffic behind me (on a major road), the vast majority of which is carrying straight on over the junction. So I stop in the middle of the junction, waiting for a gap in the oncoming traffic so I can execute my right turn, and leaving the route clear for vehicles behind me to continue straight over. Before reading this, I always thought I was technically in the wrong, but it'd appear not. |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
John Rowland wrote:
"professional drivers will find it very hard not to get a fine a week" This statement assumes that box junction cameras will be used at such junctions, something that is not likely to happen if the box junction is of the type described and common sense is used when choosing camera sites! |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
In article , John Rowland
says... While I can't stand people who habitually block junctions, professional drivers will find it very hard not to get a fine a week ********. I've only ever had one fine for entering a box and that was on a roundabout at the top of the Tyne Tunnel in rush hour. Its a notorious spot and the police sit on the central reservation taking registration numbers. I had no choice because car drivers refused to obey the Highway Code thus meaning that the large gap I left to get my 53ft long vehicle into was filled with cars as I was actually driving into it thus leaving me hanging 6ft over it. -- Conor -You wanted an argument? Oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse. You want room K5, just along the corridor. Stupid git. (Monty Python) |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
David from Oz wrote:
"common sense is used when choosing camera sites!" Hehehehe , I think most people can provide an example of where this is not the case. Usually "profitability" is used when choosing those sites -- Alex Hermes: "We can't afford that! Especially not Zoidberg!" Zoidberg: "They took away my credit cards!" www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
Dave wrote: Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot The Times reports (article 23rd July entitiled "Box junctions to be policed by camera") that following the success of trial in 6 boroughs where there was a 23% reduction in the number of motorists stopping in yellow boxes, box-junction cameras are to be offered to all 33 councils in London. The pilot scheme involved 96,000 penalty charge (£50 or £100) notices being issued during the trial, including 31,000 that were issued to drivers stopping in box junctions, 1,700 issued to motorists ignoring no entry signs, and 10,000 given to motorists for driving where vehicles are not permitted. As these are rolled out London wide, hopefully more road users will see the benefits of reduced congestion. I will be writing to my council suggesting a couple of areas where they might consider putting a box junction camera, where I have seen drivers causing congestion by breaking box junction rules. Other readers here may consider doing the same. Cool, I can't wait to hear what the speeding mob have to say about it. They'll probably be moaning like they do about the speed cameras. If only they could have cameras for every (or almost every) offence. |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successfulpilot
In article ,
Chris wrote: HC.150: "... You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear." There's a nice illustrated copy of the box junctions section of the Highway Code at http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/16.htm#150 The HC of course is not the law, but where it says MUST or MUST NOT it is saying what the law is. Nick -- http://www.leverton.org/ ... So express yourself |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
Mitchum wrote:
How do these work. I am particularly thinking of the case where people have stopped in them to turn right? You should NOT enter a box junction unless your exit is CLEAR. And you should be prepared to SLOW DOWN and STOP before a box junction if your exit is NOT clear. If you found yourself stuck in a box junction, could you just put on your right indicator to try and "save" yourself? If you follow the rules, you should not get stuck in a box junction. If you do, then you've failed and expect to get the necessary punishment for your failure to know the highway code. Right-turning traffic, which IS allowed to stop in the box, might be prevented from turning at the end of the green phase by a jam in the road they want to enter. Also, you may want to go straight across the junction, but after entering the yellow box, a vehicle in another lane overtakes you and occupies the one remaining space in your lane beyond the junction. Are you suggesting that punishment is deserved for getting stuck in the box in these cases? -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
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Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , (Richard J.) wrote: Right-turning traffic, which IS allowed to stop in the box, might be prevented from turning at the end of the green phase by a jam in the road they want to enter. You are only allowed to enter to turn right if your exit is clear so the only obstruction is oncoming traffic in the road you are turning out of. Yes, I know. But while you are waiting to turn right, oncoming traffic turns left and jams up the side road that was previously clear. You are then stuck on the yellow box. This happens frequently at a particular junction in Chiswick. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
"Conor" wrote in message
t... In article , John Rowland I've only ever had one fine for entering a box and that was on a roundabout at the top of the Tyne Tunnel in rush hour. Its a notorious spot and the police sit on the central reservation taking registration numbers. I had no choice because car drivers refused to obey the Highway Code thus meaning that the large gap I left to get my 53ft long vehicle into was filled with cars as I was actually driving into it thus leaving me hanging 6ft over it. At least you knew the length of your vehicle, unlike the truck driver who I saw driving onto a box junction at a level crossing only to come to a halt with much of the truck being on the crossing. Not only stupid but exceedingly dangerous. Or if not dangerous, could have caused delays as they would have been unable to close the crossing till he moved off. |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
"Peter" wrote in message
oups.com... Dave wrote: Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot Cool, I can't wait to hear what the speeding mob have to say about it. They'll probably be moaning like they do about the speed cameras. If only they could have cameras for every (or almost every) offence. Like poor lane discipline (see another ongoing thread). |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
"Nick Leverton" wrote in message
... The HC of course is not the law Just as well... http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/22.htm#217 It says "do not stop [... ] at or near a bus stop or taxi rank" and doesn't exempt buses and taxis. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
"Chris Tolley" wrote in message
... On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:39:18 +0100, John Rowland wrote: I have found a box junction where you can't see whether the exit is clear until you have already entered it. I have also found a box junction on the brow of a hill where you have no idea how far the box extends until you have already entered it. Where are they? I can't remember. Incidentally, at Palmers Green the North Circular is a dual carriageway, and if you are crossing it on Green Lanes you cross two separate box junctions. People turning right onto the NCR tend to queue over both boxes, but am I right in thinking that legally they are only allowed to queue over the second box? It takes fairly sharp eyes to even realise that there are two box junctions rather than one, especially in the dark. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
Coincidence - that is one junction in my area that I have nominated in
my letter to the council. On more than one occasion the North Circ has been blocked here! I guess they will put up yellow signs "Do not block the junction" when they first introduce the cameras to give the motorists warning. I seem to remember seeing these somewhere before. John Rowland wrote: I can't remember. Incidentally, at Palmers Green the North Circular is a dual carriageway, and if you are crossing it on Green Lanes you cross two separate box junctions. People turning right onto the NCR tend to queue over both boxes, but am I right in thinking that legally they are only allowed to queue over the second box? It takes fairly sharp eyes to even realise that there are two box junctions rather than one, especially in the dark. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
In article ,
John Rowland wrote: "Nick Leverton" wrote in message ... The HC of course is not the law Just as well... http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/22.htm#217 It says "do not stop [... ] at or near a bus stop or taxi rank" and doesn't exempt buses and taxis. Rule 217 seems to be in the subsection entitled "Parking", and "park" is actually the third word of that paragraph just after "do not". It does not say that vehicles licensed to use those places may not wait as part of their licensed trade there. It also lacks the magic MUST NOT which the HC uses when describing the law, but I think it's a fair prescription for happy road use whether by buses, drivers or cyclists :) Nick -- http://www.leverton.org/ ... So express yourself |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
Graculus wrote:
"Peter" wrote in message oups.com... Dave wrote: Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot Cool, I can't wait to hear what the speeding mob have to say about it. They'll probably be moaning like they do about the speed cameras. If only they could have cameras for every (or almost every) offence. Like poor lane discipline (see another ongoing thread). I guess I'm one of the 'speeding mob' ;-) I'd love it. If it was possible to have cameras for 'almost every' offence then a lot of the dimwitted but always 'I'm below the limit so I'm safe' drivers would rapidly be clobbered with dangerous driving, tailgating, DWDCA, and the roads would clear up rapidly. It's been said before and it always gets ignored but I'll try again. If the limits were sensibly and consistently applied, and cameras were really sited at dangerous spots not on clear dual carriageways, and most importantly this was in addition to real traffic policing not instead of it, most people here would not have a problem with Scameras.. |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
In article , Graculus says...
At least you knew the length of your vehicle, unlike the truck driver who I saw driving onto a box junction at a level crossing only to come to a halt with much of the truck being on the crossing. Not only stupid but exceedingly dangerous. Or if not dangerous, could have caused delays as they would have been unable to close the crossing till he moved off. That's just plain stupid. At least with the roundabout, there was a reason I ended up hanging over. At a level crossing, there's nothing going to be barging in the gap in front of him. -- Conor -You wanted an argument? Oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse. You want room K5, just along the corridor. Stupid git. (Monty Python) |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
Dave wrote:
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot The Times reports (article 23rd July entitiled "Box junctions to be policed by camera") that following the success of trial in 6 boroughs where there was a 23% reduction in the number of motorists stopping in yellow boxes, box-junction cameras are to be offered to all 33 councils in London. The pilot scheme involved 96,000 penalty charge (£50 or £100) notices being issued during the trial, including 31,000 that were issued to drivers stopping in box junctions, 1,700 issued to motorists ignoring no entry signs, and 10,000 given to motorists for driving where vehicles are not permitted. As these are rolled out London wide, hopefully more road users will see the benefits of reduced congestion. I will be writing to my council suggesting a couple of areas where they might consider putting a box junction camera, where I have seen drivers causing congestion by breaking box junction rules. Other readers here may consider doing the same. Get a ****in grip - dont you think that this govmt screws enough cash out of us??? Sure, drivers dont always obey the rules and it is sad to see but to penalise by cameras and fines....no ****in way. Is there going to be a camera for every possible offence? How about if someone lets their dog **** in the park and doesnt dispose of it? Will there be a flash and a NIP? Where will it end? McKev |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:30:48 +0100, John Rowland wrote:
at Palmers Green are two separate box junctions. People turning right tend to queue over both boxes, but am I right in thinking that legally they are only allowed to queue over the second box? Yes. Since the exit to the first box is blocked by traffic queueing to enter the second one, you may not enter the first one. It's a really simple pair of rules that govern these things. 1: you may only enter the box if your exit is clear. 2: you may only stop in the box if a conflicting traffic movement prevents you leaving it. This is why I'm concerned about the examples in your previous post. Pity you can't remember where they are. -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9680080.html (73 133 newly-adorned in Dutch livery at Wimbledon Depot in 1991) |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
On 24 Jul 2005 07:31:51 -0700, Mizter T wrote:
I live near a box junction that's on a main road where I often turn right. If I was to stay out of the yellow box then I'd block all the traffic behind me (on a major road), the vast majority of which is carrying straight on over the junction. So I stop in the middle of the junction, waiting for a gap in the oncoming traffic so I can execute my right turn, and leaving the route clear for vehicles behind me to continue straight over. Before reading this, I always thought I was technically in the wrong, but it'd appear not. No, you're in the right in the circumstance you describe. -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p11654383.html (111 467 in the Black Forest at Triberg in 2004) |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:06:37 GMT, Richard J. wrote:
Yes, I know. But while you are waiting to turn right, oncoming traffic turns left and jams up the side road that was previously clear. You are then stuck on the yellow box. This happens frequently at a particular junction in Chiswick. If this does indeed happen frequently, then it's time to make it into a roundabout. -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9683719.html (Bubble car 55003 framed by foliage at Stratford-upon-Avon in 1982) |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:46:59 GMT, PC Paul wrote:
If the limits were sensibly and consistently applied, and cameras were really sited at dangerous spots not on clear dual carriageways, and most importantly this was in addition to real traffic policing not instead of it, most people here would not have a problem with Scameras.. If you are caught by a cam on a DC (assuming national speed limits), it follows that you are driving at more than 70mph. The fact you think this is a problem indicates your limited consideration for other road users. *You* might be perfectly in control of your car at 125 mph, but since others on the road are not also doing comparable speeds, you are a significant danger to *them*, especially when it comes to them changing lanes to overtake, for example. Few drivers are actually as good as they think they are, and the best ones consider others as well as themselves more than your comment suggests you do. -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p11938592.html ("Toffee apple" 31 017) |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
Chris Tolley wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:06:37 GMT, Richard J. wrote: Yes, I know. But while you are waiting to turn right, oncoming traffic turns left and jams up the side road that was previously clear. You are then stuck on the yellow box. This happens frequently at a particular junction in Chiswick. If this does indeed happen frequently, then it's time to make it into a roundabout. Really? I had no idea the solution was that simple. Tell me, if you replace the lights by this roundabout, how would you ensure safe pedestrian routes across the junction in this busy shopping area? The reason the side road jams up is actually a poor layout of parking spaces and centre white line which leaves insufficient room for the frequent buses on route E3 that turn in from the main road. The council know what needs to be done but are taking ages to do it. (Chiswick High Road / Turnham Green Terrace junction) -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
"Chris" wrote in message
... If you "find yourself stuck in a box junction" I would suggest you aren't doing it right: HC.150: "... You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear." You enter a junction and the lights turn red behind you. Just as this is happening a string of pedestrians cross right in front of you. You stop to avoid running them over, and now cannot proceed because traffic is flowing across you. I would suggest that there can be situations where you can get stuck in a box junction without having done anything wrong, and I hope that this is taken in to account with the enforcement. |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
In article , McKev
says... Get a ****in grip - dont you think that this govmt screws enough cash out of us??? Domations to cameras are completely voluntary. Sure, drivers dont always obey the rules and it is sad to see but to penalise by cameras and fines....no ****in way. It's called BREAKING THE LAW. Surely you believe that people who break the law sgould be punished? -- Conor -You wanted an argument? Oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse. You want room K5, just along the corridor. Stupid git. (Monty Python) |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
"David Splett" wrote in message
... "Chris" wrote in message ... If you "find yourself stuck in a box junction" I would suggest you aren't doing it right: HC.150: "... You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear." You enter a junction and the lights turn red behind you. Just as this is happening a string of pedestrians cross right in front of you. You stop to avoid running them over, and now cannot proceed because traffic is flowing across you. I would suggest that there can be situations where you can get stuck in a box junction without having done anything wrong, and I hope that this is taken in to account with the enforcement. Likewise: You are following a car on the approach to a box junction at a T junction with a minor road. You brake to create a gap that's at least as big as the hatched area. When the car in front has moved far enough ahead of the junction (on the far side) you set off to occupy the space that he has just left. In the meantime, a car pulls out from the side road into the space, leaving you stranded on the junction through no fault of your own. I can think of several junctions on the Botley Road in Oxford where I've been stuck for minutes on end because successive cars pull out from the side road as the traffic ahead moves forwards, and a gap never exists beyond the junction for me to pull into. I suspect that drivers think that the fact that I'm waiting on the far side of the junction means that I'm waiting for them rather than waiting until I can legally enter the hatched area. (It was while I was waiting at one of these junctions that I witnessed the closest near-miss that I've ever seen: a cyclist coming up behind me illegally overtook me on the left and narrowly escaped being hit by an oncoming car that was quite legitimately turning right across me into the side road.) I'm in favour of box junction cameras, but they MUST be movie cameras to show the events that led up to your being on the hatched area, so as to decide whether you are guilty or not. Simply being caught on the junction, with no opportunity to prove how you got there, is not sufficient. |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
John Rowland wrote: Incidentally, at Palmers Green the North Circular is a dual carriageway, and if you are crossing it on Green Lanes you cross two separate box junctions. People turning right onto the NCR tend to queue over both boxes, but am I right in thinking that legally they are only allowed to queue over the second box? It takes fairly sharp eyes to even realise that there are two box junctions rather than one, especially in the dark. If I had my way they'd make that junction No-Right-Turn from all directions. Works at the A502 junction and there are rarely major hold-ups there. |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
In message , at 16:10:55 on Sun, 24 Jul 2005,
Nick Leverton remarked: In article , Chris wrote: HC.150: "... You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear." There's a nice illustrated copy of the box junctions section of the Highway Code at http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/16.htm#150 Which shows a car waiting in the box, because the exit road to his right is clear. But what happens when an oncoming car turns left and it's no longer clear? -- Roland Perry |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
In message , at 09:10:54 on
Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Chris Tolley remarked: But while you are waiting to turn right, oncoming traffic turns left and jams up the side road that was previously clear. You are then stuck on the yellow box. This happens frequently at a particular junction in Chiswick. If this does indeed happen frequently, then it's time to make it into a roundabout. So that's the excuse you'd give to the court, is it? -- Roland Perry |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
Conor wrote:
In article , McKev says... Get a ****in grip - dont you think that this govmt screws enough cash out of us??? Domations to cameras are completely voluntary. Sure, drivers dont always obey the rules and it is sad to see but to penalise by cameras and fines....no ****in way. It's called BREAKING THE LAW. Surely you believe that people who break the law sgould be punished? Not at every turn though Conor (for motoring) - what the **** kind of nation are we coming to here? McKev |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
PC Paul wrote: I guess I'm one of the 'speeding mob' ;-) I'd love it. If it was possible to have cameras for 'almost every' offence then a lot of the dimwitted but always 'I'm below the limit so I'm safe' drivers would rapidly be clobbered with dangerous driving, tailgating, DWDCA, and the roads would clear up rapidly. It's been said before and it always gets ignored but I'll try again. If the limits were sensibly and consistently applied, and cameras were really sited at dangerous spots not on clear dual carriageways, and most importantly this was in addition to real traffic policing not instead of it, most people here would not have a problem with Scameras.. We may have a 'problem' with these cameras, but it doesn't justify breaking the law. Doing 80mph along a road is illegal whether there's a camera or not! The sad thing is that the country is full of people who have no respect for the law. |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
In article . com,
"Peter" wrote: PC Paul wrote: I guess I'm one of the 'speeding mob' ;-) I'd love it. If it was possible to have cameras for 'almost every' offence then a lot of the dimwitted but always 'I'm below the limit so I'm safe' drivers would rapidly be clobbered with dangerous driving, tailgating, DWDCA, and the roads would clear up rapidly. It's been said before and it always gets ignored but I'll try again. If the limits were sensibly and consistently applied, and cameras were really sited at dangerous spots not on clear dual carriageways, and most importantly this was in addition to real traffic policing not instead of it, most people here would not have a problem with Scameras.. We may have a 'problem' with these cameras, but it doesn't justify breaking the law. Doing 80mph along a road is illegal whether there's a camera or not! The sad thing is that the country is full of people who have no respect for the law. Amen! :-) -- Mark Foster, Brighton, Sussex, UK E-mail: PGP Fingerprint: 3342 C02C 7BE8 3FE4 AAC5 8BB2 03B7 9263 DDF2 04C1 -------------------------------------------------- "There are no such useless words as...'I didn't have a chance.'" [Driving, HMSO] |
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful pilot
Chris Tolley wrote:
On 24 Jul 2005 07:31:51 -0700, Mizter T wrote: I live near a box junction that's on a main road where I often turn right. If I was to stay out of the yellow box then I'd block all the traffic behind me (on a major road), the vast majority of which is carrying straight on over the junction. So I stop in the middle of the junction, waiting for a gap in the oncoming traffic so I can execute my right turn, and leaving the route clear for vehicles behind me to continue straight over. Before reading this, I always thought I was technically in the wrong, but it'd appear not. No, you're in the right in the circumstance you describe. Thanks. Perhaps I need to review the Highway Code and see what else I'm unaware of! |
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