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tim (moved to sweden) wrote:
AIUI "London" is the London terminals rather than the conurbation,
especially as your journey started within it.


That's what I'd think usually, but in this specific case I can't see any
reason to forbid London terminals,


The reason is to stop you double backing between Waterloo
and CJ. If you want to do this the fare is higher (by the cost
of a return W-CJ for each direction of travel)


I see. Isn't doubling back forbidden by the routeing guide anyway?

especially as Waterloo is the only
London terminal with services to Staines.


Why is this relevent? They stop at CJ and even if they didn't
you still wouldn't be able to change at Waterloo without paying
the higher fare.


Now that you explain it obviously it's not relevant, but my original
thoughts were that 'not london' might be to stop you transferring
through London to another operator, leaving from another terminal. (And
as asdf points out it does prevent this in the case of a Thameslink into
London.)

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tim (moved to sweden) wrote:
AIUI "London" is the London terminals rather than the conurbation,
especially as your journey started within it.

That's what I'd think usually, but in this specific case I can't see any
reason to forbid London terminals,


The reason is to stop you double backing between Waterloo
and CJ. If you want to do this the fare is higher (by the cost
of a return W-CJ for each direction of travel)


I see. Isn't doubling back forbidden by the routeing guide anyway?


In general yes, but for journeys on the 'southern' via CJ there
has been a 'via' london fare for as long as I can remember.

For some journeys it makse sense to pay the extra.

tim


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tim (moved to sweden) wrote:

In general yes, but for journeys on the 'southern' via CJ there
has been a 'via' london fare for as long as I can remember.

For some journeys it makse sense to pay the extra.


....for example, if you are going to Portsmouth/Southampton/pretty much
any long-distance SWT destinations, where the fastest trains annoyingly
don't stop at CJ.

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On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 11:40:59 +0100, Alex Watson
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I see. Isn't doubling back forbidden by the routeing guide anyway?


I don't see how it can be, given that there are trains which go from
London to Hastings via Hampden Park, Eastbourne, and Hampden Park
(again).

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On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 11:40:59 +0100, Alex Watson
said:

I see. Isn't doubling back forbidden by the routeing guide anyway?


I don't see how it can be, given that there are trains which go from
London to Hastings via Hampden Park, Eastbourne, and Hampden Park
(again).


Doubling back is forbidden in general although there are certain exceptions,
one of which is Hampden Park-Eastbourne to avoid the ridiculous situation of
making passengers get off at Hampden Park and have to wait on the platform
for the train to go to Eastbourne and back.

Peter Smyth




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