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Where do I find a bus timetable?
I've been looking at the Tfl site for over half an hour, gone from
pillar to post and I still haven't found what I'm looking for. Can anyone tell me where to find a bus timetable? I've clicked on "bus home" on the Tfl site. I've put a bus number where it should go, and all I get is a bus map. I KNOW what bus I want. Where do I find a timetable? It's a simple journey. From Harlesden to Greenford. An 18 then a 92. But I need to find the timetables! Help! The main site makes it impossible to find a single thing... Cheers |
Where do I find a bus timetable?
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Where do I find a bus timetable?
Can anyone tell me where to find a bus timetable? I've clicked on "bus
home" on the Tfl site. I've put a bus number where it should go, and all I get is a bus map. I KNOW what bus I want. Where do I find a timetable? I don't think the TfL site has them. However try http://www.busmap.org/timetables.html and you should get some joy. |
Where do I find a bus timetable?
Alistair Bell wrote:
wrote: I've been looking at the Tfl site for over half an hour, gone from pillar to post and I still haven't found what I'm looking for. Can anyone tell me where to find a bus timetable? I've clicked on "bus home" on the Tfl site. I've put a bus number where it should go, and all I get is a bus map. I KNOW what bus I want. Where do I find a timetable? It's a simple journey. From Harlesden to Greenford. An 18 then a 92. But I need to find the timetables! It _is_ there, but I agree it's buried. Go to TfL's site, click on 'Journey Planner' (on the left), then 'Timetables', then a little further down there's 'Bus timetable'. Enter the route number you want, then choose the destination of the direction you want, then click on the bus stop you'll get on. You'll get a PDF of the timetable from that stop. All the information is there but it's far from intuitive. Or just follow this link to take you straight the http://snipurl.com/londonbustt Once you've found where the timetables actually are, you'll find it's a great service. As Alistair says, you actually get a PDF of the timetable as it would appear at the bus stop. This is great, as most bus stops in London now have a specific timetable printed for them. I find this service particularly useful for looking up the times of night buses. |
Where do I find a bus timetable?
That's very useful and quicker than the TfL for loading.
Neill |
Where do I find a bus timetable?
In message , Graham J
writes I don't think the TfL site has them. It certainly does, as mentioned earlier - and they are up-to-date. However try http://www.busmap.org/timetables.html and you should get some joy. Trouble is, I'm not convinced that these are up to date - the timetable for my local route is dated 2001, and is nothing like the one that currently appears on the bus stop or on the TFL site. :( -- Paul Terry |
Where do I find a bus timetable?
On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:29:50 +0100, Paul Terry
wrote: In message , Graham J writes I don't think the TfL site has them. It certainly does, as mentioned earlier - and they are up-to-date. However try http://www.busmap.org/timetables.html and you should get some joy. Trouble is, I'm not convinced that these are up to date - the timetable for my local route is dated 2001, and is nothing like the one that currently appears on the bus stop or on the TFL site. :( Given that Mike Harris works for TfL Buses in the publicity section he is able to get the most up to date information for his site. Just because a timetable is dated 2001 does not mean it is wrong at all - many simpler routes often stick with the same timetable for a full contract term of 5 or 7 years. Be warned that the TfL official information using the journey planner is often hideously wrong. I really don't trust it all because the computer programme that generates the stop specific information applies overly simplistic rules to generate the "every x minutes" type information. It annoys me intensely that TfL are in possession of fully detailed schedules for all routes and yet will not make them available. Overly simplistic information is next to useless in my view unless your route runs every 2 minutes or so. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
Where do I find a bus timetable?
On 8 Aug 2005 18:30:59 -0700, wrote:
I've been looking at the Tfl site for over half an hour, gone from pillar to post and I still haven't found what I'm looking for. Can anyone tell me where to find a bus timetable? I've clicked on "bus home" on the Tfl site. I've put a bus number where it should go, and all I get is a bus map. I KNOW what bus I want. Where do I find a timetable? It's a simple journey. From Harlesden to Greenford. An 18 then a 92. But I need to find the timetables! For the 18 and 92 - both run by first london - try here www.firstlondontimetables.co.uk where you will find fully detailed timetables for each trip on those routes. A wonderfully helpful facility. Most people have found www.busmap.co.uk but www.londonbusroutes.net also provides lots of information on services including links to timetable info. Shame the unofficial sites are better than the official one. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
Where do I find a bus timetable?
Paul Corfield wrote:
snip Be warned that the TfL official information using the journey planner is often hideously wrong. I really don't trust it all because the computer programme that generates the stop specific information applies overly simplistic rules to generate the "every x minutes" type information. It annoys me intensely that TfL are in possession of fully detailed schedules for all routes and yet will not make them available. Overly simplistic information is next to useless in my view unless your route runs every 2 minutes or so. Is your criticism of the TfL Journey Planner merely related to the 'interactive' element, or are the stop-specific PDF bus timetables also coming under fire? (I refer to the timetables that are a copy of what would be found at a bus stop.) I find that the stop-specific timetables are most useful, even where they do state 'about every x minutes'. They're very clear, and I'd suggest it's a more honest way of presenting the information rather than having specific times given, when there can be no guarantee that the bus will indeed turn up at that time. However the bus journey results of the 'interactive' Journey Planner service is not something that I've analysed that carefully so I'll bow to your wisdom on that! |
Where do I find a bus timetable?
"Mizter T" typed
I find that the stop-specific timetables are most useful, even where they do state 'about every x minutes'. They're very clear, and I'd suggest it's a more honest way of presenting the information rather than having specific times given, when there can be no guarantee that the bus will indeed turn up at that time. However the bus journey results of the 'interactive' Journey Planner service is not something that I've analysed that carefully so I'll bow to your wisdom on that! Journey Planner times are rather optimistic IME. It is wise to add 20-30 minutes to any suggestion (especially if you have a mainline train to catch!) 'About every x minutes' timetables have left me cold and miserable more frequently than 'proper' timetables. I had a particularly bad time with the N16 one winter weekend; waited ages for a bus, got dumped at Cricklewood Bus Garage, then waited for about an hour... Horrible! -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
Where do I find a bus timetable?
On 9 Aug 2005 10:29:25 -0700, "Mizter T" wrote:
Paul Corfield wrote: snip Be warned that the TfL official information using the journey planner is often hideously wrong. I really don't trust it all because the computer programme that generates the stop specific information applies overly simplistic rules to generate the "every x minutes" type information. It annoys me intensely that TfL are in possession of fully detailed schedules for all routes and yet will not make them available. Overly simplistic information is next to useless in my view unless your route runs every 2 minutes or so. Is your criticism of the TfL Journey Planner merely related to the 'interactive' element, or are the stop-specific PDF bus timetables also coming under fire? (I refer to the timetables that are a copy of what would be found at a bus stop.) I don't like some aspects of the "interactive" element although I will concede it has got better with time. I don't like the stop specific timetables. The concept such as they provide on the continent (Amsterdam, Vienna are two examples that spring to mind) with the exact minutes for each hour, each day was what I hoped for. What we got is over simplistic nonsense. I find that the stop-specific timetables are most useful, even where they do state 'about every x minutes'. They're very clear, and I'd suggest it's a more honest way of presenting the information rather than having specific times given, when there can be no guarantee that the bus will indeed turn up at that time. I would prefer the complete honesty of what the timetable that is submitted by the operator and accepted by TfL says. It is the basis of how the operator's performance is measured (in part) and therefore should be what the public expects. The timetable at my stop is different to that shown for the same stop in the Journey Planner itself - they've changed the journey planner one! The one at the stop says there is a bus every 10 minutes from 05.55 - incorrect. Buses are every 15 minutes then 10 then 8 then 10 then 7 then 8 then 10 minutes as the headway slips a bit in the shoulders of the peak to reflect longer running times building up. However in the off peak buses are supposed to be every 10 minutes - the stop specific timetable says 8-11 minutes. What does that actually mean? 8 then 11 then 8 then 11 minutes or some sort of average time somewhere between 8 and 11 which by simplistic maths is 9.5 minutes. Why on earth TfL cannot simply show the exact times I do not know - it is not difficult. I hate, even on a 10 min headway, walking out the door to see the bus at the stop knowing I've got a 10 minute wait (at best) when if I'd known the mins past the hour that the bus was due I'd have got there in due time. (This assumes the bus is running to time of course). Car drivers don't have to wait 10 minutes to set off in their car. Why should bus passengers? However the bus journey results of the 'interactive' Journey Planner service is not something that I've analysed that carefully so I'll bow to your wisdom on that! Not sure I posses wisdom. There are some trips that are simple to do if you have a decent knowledge of the bus system that the journey planner simply will not generate unless you manipulate the options to a ludicrous extent. A recent example was from a newspaper article where someone was trying to get from Victoria to London Bridge by bus. The poor chap was sent halfway round the world via Vauxhall and Elephant & Castle using at least 3 buses when the 211 or 148 to County Hall and a 381 from round the corner would suffice. There are other options involving the 11 and 17 or 521 Red Arrow changing at St Pauls. You try getting the Journey Planner to provide that option without applying "rules". Surely the planner should provide the simplest and least complicated route as first choice? -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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