On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 18:01:28 +0100, Cheeky wrote:

Although Piccadilly Bus Station is still a total disaster. A skim of
the draft Local Transport Plan for Greater Manchester seems to suggest
that they are going to re-do it yet again. That''ll be the fourth
incarnation in a decade!

There's not a lot wrong with it per-se, as far as open-air type bus
stations go, but it would benefit from the removal of that stupid
concrete wall that serves to hide it rather than making it part of the
city centre as it should be.

Neil

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On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 17:05:41 GMT, (Neil
Williams) wrote:


There's not a lot wrong with it per-se, as far as open-air type bus
stations go, but it would benefit from the removal of that stupid
concrete wall that serves to hide it rather than making it part of the
city centre as it should be.

Neil

I beg to differ - it's clearly not capable of dealing with the
millions of 42/43 variants that use it which can result in sever
congestion at times (both in the bus station and on Moseley Street).
There are also too many conflicting movements between buses and
passengers/pedestrians. I'd also question the logic of open bus
stations in a place known as "the rainy city"!!

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 23:31:11 +0100, Cheeky wrote:

I beg to differ - it's clearly not capable of dealing with the
millions of 42/43 variants that use it which can result in sever
congestion at times (both in the bus station and on Moseley Street).

I perhaps deliberately ignored the (1)4x silliness, because you'd need
an entire bus station on its own to cater for those. The solution to
that is route tendering and simplification (e.g. send some through
services down the 50 route instead, and interchange at Parrs Wood) to
get the number of permutations down. I don't see why GMPTE should
fund a huge bus station to cater for the Oxford Road silliness, nor
why a large swathe of Manchester City Centre should be decimated to
cater for it.

Some of the pollution problem in Manchester would also be helped if
the emissions regulations were tightened on the (1)4x!

There are also too many conflicting movements between buses and
passengers/pedestrians. I'd also question the logic of open bus
stations in a place known as "the rainy city"!!

True.

Neil

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On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 06:55:45 GMT, (Neil
Williams) wrote:


I perhaps deliberately ignored the (1)4x silliness, because you'd need
an entire bus station on its own to cater for those. The solution to
that is route tendering and simplification (e.g. send some through
services down the 50 route instead, and interchange at Parrs Wood) to
get the number of permutations down. I don't see why GMPTE should
fund a huge bus station to cater for the Oxford Road silliness, nor
why a large swathe of Manchester City Centre should be decimated to
cater for it.

No doubt there'll be some worthy words about it in LTP2. Lets see if
the PTE do anything although as it isn't a tram they probably don't
give a crap...

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:32:46 +0100, Cheeky wrote:

No doubt there'll be some worthy words about it in LTP2. Lets see if
the PTE do anything although as it isn't a tram they probably don't
give a crap...

M(cynical)X is that they generally ignore it because it requires no
subsidy despite running very nearly[1] 24 hours a day.

[1] Just try to get a 42 early on a Sunday morning...

Neil

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On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:51:39 GMT, (Neil
Williams) wrote:

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:32:46 +0100, Cheeky wrote:

No doubt there'll be some worthy words about it in LTP2. Lets see if
the PTE do anything although as it isn't a tram they probably don't
give a crap...

M(cynical)X is that they generally ignore it because it requires no
subsidy despite running very nearly[1] 24 hours a day.

[1] Just try to get a 42 early on a Sunday morning...

Neil

Well judging from the condition of the road pavement in places they
certainly seem to be ignoring it!

Never had the pleasure of an early sunday morning 42. If I need to do
anything outside of the peak I tend to rely on my bike as I certainly
can't rely on Souter's mob!

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:34:03 +0100, Cheeky wrote:

Never had the pleasure of an early sunday morning 42.

Quite difficult to find. Nothing at all between about 4am and 8am,
then something like hourly (or half-hourly at best) until 10. Or
that's what it was like 5 or so years ago, anyway...

Neil

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