"Paul Terry" wrote in message
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In message , Paul Scott
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There is no first class on the Windsor service though,. The first class
sections are declassified, and usually quite empty, because the majority
of
passengers don't realise this.

Ah yes, you're right - but I think Reading trains on the same line still
have first class (thus adding yet further to the confusion, since if you
get on somewhere like Richmond you don't tend to think about whether the
train started from Reading or Windsor).

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Paul Terry

I wonder if it is a result of the Desiro 450 order being changed? Perhaps
the other Desiros would have been single class. As it is there must be a
number of routes where 450s are used on non first class services, I wonder
if anyone knows of any others? I'm sure some of the services through
Fareham are shown on the timetable posters as not having first class, but
all the actual units used have the seating now...

Paul

Paul Scott wrote:
"Paul Terry" wrote in message
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In message ,
Paul Scott writes

There is no first class on the Windsor service though,. The
first class sections are declassified, and usually quite empty,
because the majority of
passengers don't realise this.

Ah yes, you're right - but I think Reading trains on the same line
still have first class (thus adding yet further to the confusion,
since if you get on somewhere like Richmond you don't tend to
think about whether the train started from Reading or Windsor).

--
Paul Terry

I wonder if it is a result of the Desiro 450 order being changed?
Perhaps the other Desiros would have been single class. As it is
there must be a number of routes where 450s are used on non first
class services, I wonder if anyone knows of any others? I'm sure
some of the services through Fareham are shown on the timetable
posters as not having first class, but all the actual units used
have the seating now...

I wonder if use of Desiros on the Hounslow Loop services is temporary
pending refurbishment of all the (standard class only) 455s. Hope not!
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

In message , Paul
Scott writes

I wonder if it is a result of the Desiro 450 order being changed?

I'm sure it is.

Perhaps the other Desiros would have been single class.

Yes - the original plan for suburban services was 2 x five-car units
without any first class accommodation. As I recall, the SRA wouldn't
agree to platform lengthening to allow 10-car trains, so instead SWT
bought more of the four-car units (with 1st class) already ordered for
outer suburban services.

(snip)

--
Paul Terry

In article ,
(Paul Terry) wrote:

In message , Paul
Scott writes

I wonder if it is a result of the Desiro 450 order being changed?

I'm sure it is.

Perhaps the other Desiros would have been single class.

Yes - the original plan for suburban services was 2 x five-car units
without any first class accommodation. As I recall, the SRA wouldn't
agree to platform lengthening to allow 10-car trains, so instead SWT
bought more of the four-car units (with 1st class) already ordered
for outer suburban services.

(snip)

Some of which were diverted to the WCML as class 350.

--
Colin Rosenstiel