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Is the following TfL statement correct, People with weekly or monthly
Oystercards can use them to travel on overland rail. I am not ware that Watford Junc, for example, has Oyster readers. Kevin |
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Is the following TfL statement correct, People with weekly or monthly Oystercards can use them to travel on overland rail. I am not ware that Watford Junc, for example, has Oyster readers. Kevin The BBC report to which I presume you refer [1] is broadly correct, but not as clear as it should be. Weekly, monthly or longer *Travelcards* that are loaded onto Oyster cards are valid on any National Rail (NR) services withing the zonal validity of that Travelcard. Passengers do not need to touch-in or touch-out when using their Oyster card loaded with a Travelcard - and at most ungated NR stations as there is no Oyster card reader they wouldn't be able to do so anyway. Most ticket inspectors on NR in London carry a calculator-sized device which can read a passengers Oyster card and verify that they have the correct Travelcard zonal validity for their journey. Weekly, monthly or longer *Bus Passes* that are loaded onto Oyster cards are (shock horror) only valid on TfL buses. [1] The BBC news story "Travel card poster ordered down" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4418674.stm |
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In message .com,
Mizter T writes Weekly, monthly or longer *Bus Passes* that are loaded onto Oyster cards are (shock horror) only valid on TfL buses. As K. Liv said "the train companies are dragging their feet despite being offered the equipment and installation for free, but if we can take the railways in the zoned region under our control we'll sort it out without delay. Why are the railways dragging their feet in what is the densest used urban network in the world? -- Clive |
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"Clive" wrote in message ... In message .com, Mizter T writes Weekly, monthly or longer *Bus Passes* that are loaded onto Oyster cards are (shock horror) only valid on TfL buses. As K. Liv said "the train companies are dragging their feet despite being offered the equipment and installation for free, but if we can take the railways in the zoned region under our control we'll sort it out without delay. Why are the railways dragging their feet in what is the densest used urban network in the world? -- Clive Because as private companies they only care about making money and satisfying the requirements of their franchise agreements. There is nothing in the agreements about accepting Oyster Pre Pay and they do not see it as a way of making more money so they do nothing (or worse than nothing, obstruct). The only way to get things moving is for all future operators in (or partly in) the TfL region to have a franchise requirement to accept Oyster Prepay. |
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Clive wrote:
In message .com, Mizter T writes Weekly, monthly or longer *Bus Passes* that are loaded onto Oyster cards are (shock horror) only valid on TfL buses. As K. Liv said "the train companies are dragging their feet despite being offered the equipment and installation for free, but if we can take the railways in the zoned region under our control we'll sort it out without delay. Why are the railways dragging their feet in what is the densest used urban network in the world? -- There are many reasons I can think of of but I've not enough time for such an extensive post just at the moment, I'll try to do so later. In essence though I think you could sum it up with the TOCs wishing to protect their fiefdom and being wary of the expansion of TfL onto their patch. There is, I think, a quiet turf battle being fought ahead of the creation of a possible London Rail Authority [1] - TfL on one side, the TOCs on another, both pushing their case with the new Department for Transport Rail Group. Though that is an extreme simplification. Specifically regarding ticketing, if you accept that Pre Pay on NR in London would be based on a zonal system (as opposed to point-to-point ticketing), it would almost certainly need to be combined with the roll out of a complete zonal ticketing system (i.e. both Pre Pay and printed tickets) across the railways in London, otherwise there would be innumerable anomalies where Pre Pay and printed tickets would cost different amounts. And whatever others on this newsgroup might say, point-to-point NR ticketing on Pre Pay would be so horrendously complex I seriously don't think it'd be practical to do down that route. The TOCs thus fear that they'd lose control over setting fares within London and be sidelined in revenue collection and distribution, whilst TfL took the lead. Anyway, that's just my one penny's worth... [1] For more on the 'London Rail Authority' see Dave Arquati's superb website: http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/66 |
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TKD wrote:
"Clive" wrote in message ... In message .com, Mizter T writes Weekly, monthly or longer *Bus Passes* that are loaded onto Oyster cards are (shock horror) only valid on TfL buses. As K. Liv said "the train companies are dragging their feet despite being offered the equipment and installation for free, but if we can take the railways in the zoned region under our control we'll sort it out without delay. Why are the railways dragging their feet in what is the densest used urban network in the world? -- Clive Because as private companies they only care about making money and satisfying the requirements of their franchise agreements. There is nothing in the agreements about accepting Oyster Pre Pay and they do not see it as a way of making more money so they do nothing (or worse than nothing, obstruct). The only way to get things moving is for all future operators in (or partly in) the TfL region to have a franchise requirement to accept Oyster Prepay. You've put if far more concisely and to the point than my ramble managed to! The TOCs are a hostage to their frachise agreements, and to the structure they operate within. It's time to change that structure (I'm starting to sound like a Marxist!). |
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As K. Liv said "the train companies are dragging their feet despite being offered the equipment and installation for free, but if we can take the railways in the zoned region under our control we'll sort it out without delay. Why are the railways dragging their feet in what is the densest used urban network in the world? -- Clive Because as private companies they only care about making money and satisfying the requirements of their franchise agreements. There is nothing in the agreements about accepting Oyster Pre Pay and they do not see it as a way of making more money so they do nothing (or worse than nothing, obstruct). The only way to get things moving is for all future operators in (or partly in) the TfL region to have a franchise requirement to accept Oyster Prepay. You've put if far more concisely and to the point than my ramble managed to! The TOCs are a hostage to their frachise agreements, and to the structure they operate within. It's time to change that structure (I'm starting to sound like a Marxist!). If there had been an elected body responsible for the government of London at the time of rail privatisation and they had been given some authority over rail services and ticketing in the London region this mess could have been avoided. However, a governing body for one of the main world cities with a remit covering all transport in its region was considered unnecessary by the government of the day. |
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TKD wrote in uk.transport.london on Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:02:42 -0000
: If there had been an elected body responsible for the government of London at the time of rail privatisation and they had been given some authority over rail services and ticketing in the London region this mess could have been avoided. However, a governing body for one of the main world cities with a remit covering all transport in its region was considered unnecessary by the government of the day. While, as you say, this could have been avoided from the start of franchising, most (if not all?) franchises in the London Region have been, or are in the process of being, re-tendered since they were first let. ICBW, but I haven't seen any indication that the new agreements include any requirement to co-operate with TfL on Prestige/Oyster. -- hike - a walking tour or outing, esp. of the self-conscious kind Chambers 20th Century Dictionary |
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TKD wrote:
(snip) If there had been an elected body responsible for the government of London at the time of rail privatisation and they had been given some authority over rail services and ticketing in the London region this mess could have been avoided. However, a governing body for one of the main world cities with a remit covering all transport in its region was considered unnecessary by the government of the day. Indeed, it was an absurd situation and I'm glad it finally ended. There were some interesting proposals generated IIRC by the Labour Party, or perhaps some associated think tank, before the '97 election which floated the idea of the proposed new London-area authority having jurisdiction over an extended area beyond the limit 32 London Boroughs, which I think included much of the Thames Estuary and possibly other areas as well. In a way the boundaries of TfL's proposed 'London Regional Rail Authority' could be seen in the same light - i.e. as the city expanding and exercising it's power over surrounding areas. However I think it's a sensible idea as long as there's appropriate representation from those authorities affected by this. I've a lot more faith in a TfL-led public spirited approach than the current situation. I'm just rambling... I'll stop now! |
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