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Zone 6 conquers ten further Southern stations
I'm surprised that no-one has referred to this yet, though it doesn't
seem to appear anywhere on the Southern (or any other) website(s). I've seen a poster at a Southern station, which has been there at least a week, that states that from 2 January 2006, when new fares are introduced, the London's Zone 6 will be extended to include the following stations to the south of Croydon and Sutton: Banstead and Epsom Downs Chipstead, Kingswood, Tadworth and Tattenham Corner Whyteleafe, Whyteleaf South and Caterham Upper Wharlingham I've grouped them together for ease of reference. They all appear on the London Connections map [1], and (logically) they're all outside the Greater London boundary in the county of Surrey. The poster said that most passengers would benefit from this change in terms of the fares available to them. It should be noted that Southern fares in South London are now calculated on a zonal basis (see the Southern website [2]). Also I read a story on the Kingston Times website that says SWT are considering extending Zone 6 out to "stations such as Esher, Hinchley Wood and Claygate" [3]. I wonder what the proceedure is for adding stations to the zones or changing which zones a station is in. I presume TfL must be consulted, and the other London train companies need to OK it as well. I guess that's what ATOC's London Schemes Council is for. ____________________ [1] National Rail (ATOC) London Connections map: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system...LC_May_x05.pdf [2] Southern Railway 'Fare Pal' - info re zonal fares in South London http://www.southernrailway.com/main.php?page_id=126 [3] Kingston Times story - 'SWT Moves To Help Surbiton' http://www.kingstonguardian.co.uk/se...p_surbiton.php |
Zone 6 conquers ten further Southern stations
[originally posted to uk.transport.london ]
[ommitted to cross-post this to uk.railway ] [pls reply to *this* post- sorry for the mess] I'm surprised that no-one has referred to this yet, though it doesn't seem to appear anywhere on the Southern (or any other) website(s). I've seen a poster at a Southern station, which has been there at least a week, that states that from 2 January 2006, when new fares are introduced, the London's Zone 6 will be extended to include the following stations to the south of Croydon and Sutton: Banstead and Epsom Downs Chipstead, Kingswood, Tadworth and Tattenham Corner Whyteleafe, Whyteleaf South and Caterham Upper Wharlingham I've grouped them together for ease of reference. They all appear on the London Connections map [1], and (logically) they're all outside the Greater London boundary in the county of Surrey. The poster said that most passengers would benefit from this change in terms of the fares available to them. It should be noted that Southern fares in South London are now calculated on a zonal basis (see the Southern website [2]). Also I read a story on the Kingston Times website that says SWT are considering extending Zone 6 out to "stations such as Esher, Hinchley Wood and Claygate" [3]. I wonder what the proceedure is for adding stations to the zones or changing which zones a station is in. I presume TfL must be consulted, and the other London train companies need to OK it as well. I guess that's what ATOC's London Schemes Council is for. ____________________ [1] National Rail (ATOC) London Connections map: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system...LC_May_x05.pdf [2] Southern Railway 'Fare Pal' - info re zonal fares in South London http://www.southernrailway.com/main.php?page_id=126 [3] Kingston Times story - 'SWT Moves To Help Surbiton' http://www.kingstonguardian.co.uk/se...p_surbiton.php |
Zone 6 conquers ten further Southern stations...
[originally posted to uk.transport.london ]
[ommitted to cross-post this to uk.railway ] [pls reply to *this* post- sorry for the mess] I'm surprised that no-one has referred to this yet, though it doesn't seem to appear anywhere on the Southern (or any other) website(s). I've seen a poster at a Southern station, which has been there at least a week, that states that from 2 January 2006, when new fares are introduced, the London's Zone 6 will be extended to include the following stations to the south of Croydon and Sutton: Banstead and Epsom Downs Chipstead, Kingswood, Tadworth and Tattenham Corner Whyteleafe, Whyteleaf South and Caterham Upper Wharlingham I've grouped them together for ease of reference. They all appear on the London Connections map [1], and (logically) they're all outside the Greater London boundary in the county of Surrey. The poster said that most passengers would benefit from this change in terms of the fares available to them. It should be noted that Southern fares in South London are now calculated on a zonal basis (see the Southern website [2]). Also I read a story on the Kingston Times website that says SWT are considering extending Zone 6 out to "stations such as Esher, Hinchley Wood and Claygate" [3]. I wonder what the proceedure is for adding stations to the zones or changing which zones a station is in. I presume TfL must be consulted, and the other London train companies need to OK it as well. I guess that's what ATOC's London Schemes Council is for. ____________________ [1] National Rail (ATOC) London Connections map: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system...LC_May_x05.pdf [2] Southern Railway 'Fare Pal' - info re zonal fares in South London http://www.southernrailway.com/main.php?page_id=126 [3] Kingston Times story - 'SWT Moves To Help Surbiton' http://www.kingstonguardian.co.uk/se...p_surbiton.php |
Zone 6 conquers ten further Southern stations...
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Zone 6 conquers ten further Southern stations...
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:11:43 -0000, Mizter T wrote:
[originally posted to uk.transport.london ] [ommitted to cross-post this to uk.railway ] [pls reply to *this* post- sorry for the mess] I'm surprised that no-one has referred to this yet, though it doesn't seem to appear anywhere on the Southern (or any other) website(s). I've seen a poster at a Southern station, which has been there at least a week, that states that from 2 January 2006, when new fares are introduced, the London's Zone 6 will be extended to include the following stations to the south of Croydon and Sutton: Banstead and Epsom Downs Chipstead, Kingswood, Tadworth and Tattenham Corner Whyteleafe, Whyteleaf South and Caterham Upper Wharlingham I've grouped them together for ease of reference. They all appear on the London Connections map [1], and (logically) they're all outside the Greater London boundary in the county of Surrey. The poster said that most passengers would benefit from this change in terms of the fares available to them. It should be noted that Southe fares in South London are now calculated on a zonal basis (see the Southern website [2]). Also I read a story on the Kingston Times website that says SWT are considering extending Zone 6 out to "stations such as Esher, Hinchley Wood and Claygate" [3]. I wonder what the proceedure is for adding stations to the zones or changing which zones a station is in. I presume TfL must be consulted, and the other London train companies need to OK it as well. I guess that's what ATOC's London Schemes Council is for. I Guess that Southern will reach their performance targets for both Sussex Coast and Metro Services either this month or next so the performance discount will be discontinued on season tickets. They can probably afford the zone 6 tidying up excercise. I gather they may soon be accepting oyster pay as you go in the travelcard area as well. Paul |
Zone 6 conquers ten further Southern stations...
Martin Underwood wrote:
Mizter T wrote in I'm surprised that no-one has referred to this yet, though it doesn't seem to appear anywhere on the Southern (or any other) website(s). I've seen a poster at a Southern station, which has been there at least a week, that states that from 2 January 2006, when new fares are introduced, the London's Zone 6 will be extended to include the following stations to the south of Croydon and Sutton: Banstead and Epsom Downs Chipstead, Kingswood, Tadworth and Tattenham Corner Whyteleafe, Whyteleaf South and Caterham Upper Wharlingham Does this apply to One-Day Travelcards when travelling from outside London - ie where the ticket includes travel into London as well as unlimited travel within all the London zones? Er, I think you're making it sound more complicated than it is! Those stations will cease to be outside the zones, and become Zone 6 stations, just like any other Zone 6 station. Presumably there will be a period during which season tickets bought under the old system will continue to be valid. Perhaps there may be some refund system for those season ticket holders whose old ticket is more expensive than the equivalent new ticket, which I speculate would be the majority of commuters (those who travel into into London). Maybe only holders of season tickets over a certain period (say 6 months) will get to apply for a refund. I am guessing. I know nothing more than what the poster said, which I have basically repeated above. Perhaps this poster has been displayed too early - if no-one else has seen said poster, I'll make an endeavour to take a picture. |
Zone 6 conquers ten further Southern stations...
There's one of these posters displayed on platform 14 at Clapham
Junction, near the bottom of the footbridge. Noticed it on Tuesday but forgot to post here about it. I'm surprised nothing has been said by TfL yet (and certainly asking around the office today none of the usual suspects knew about it either). Cheers Steve M Mizter T wrote: Martin Underwood wrote: Mizter T wrote in I'm surprised that no-one has referred to this yet, though it doesn't seem to appear anywhere on the Southern (or any other) website(s). I've seen a poster at a Southern station, which has been there at least a week, that states that from 2 January 2006, when new fares are introduced, the London's Zone 6 will be extended to include the following stations to the south of Croydon and Sutton: Banstead and Epsom Downs Chipstead, Kingswood, Tadworth and Tattenham Corner Whyteleafe, Whyteleaf South and Caterham Upper Wharlingham Does this apply to One-Day Travelcards when travelling from outside London - ie where the ticket includes travel into London as well as unlimited travel within all the London zones? Er, I think you're making it sound more complicated than it is! Those stations will cease to be outside the zones, and become Zone 6 stations, just like any other Zone 6 station. Presumably there will be a period during which season tickets bought under the old system will continue to be valid. Perhaps there may be some refund system for those season ticket holders whose old ticket is more expensive than the equivalent new ticket, which I speculate would be the majority of commuters (those who travel into into London). Maybe only holders of season tickets over a certain period (say 6 months) will get to apply for a refund. I am guessing. I know nothing more than what the poster said, which I have basically repeated above. Perhaps this poster has been displayed too early - if no-one else has seen said poster, I'll make an endeavour to take a picture. |
Zone 6 conquers ten further Southern stations...
"Mizter T" wrote: I'm surprised that no-one has referred to this yet, though it doesn't seem to appear anywhere on the Southern (or any other) website(s). I've seen a poster at a Southern station, which has been there at least a week, that states that from 2 January 2006, when new fares are introduced, the London's Zone 6 will be extended to include the following stations to the south of Croydon and Sutton: Banstead and Epsom Downs Chipstead, Kingswood, Tadworth and Tattenham Corner What's the logic in extending Z6 to Epsom Downs and Tattenham Corner, but not to Epsom? Are there particular difficulties caused by Southern 'sharing the flow' from Epsom with SWT? Chris |
Zone 6 conquers ten further Southern stations...
Chris Read wrote: "Mizter T" wrote: I'm surprised that no-one has referred to this yet, though it doesn't seem to appear anywhere on the Southern (or any other) website(s). I've seen a poster at a Southern station, which has been there at least a week, that states that from 2 January 2006, when new fares are introduced, the London's Zone 6 will be extended to include the following stations to the south of Croydon and Sutton: Banstead and Epsom Downs Chipstead, Kingswood, Tadworth and Tattenham Corner What's the logic in extending Z6 to Epsom Downs and Tattenham Corner, but not to Epsom? Are there particular difficulties caused by Southern 'sharing the flow' from Epsom with SWT? Chris The south west extended zone 6 beyond Greater London many years ago, to include Thames Ditton and Hampton Court, about the same time as the top of the Hainault Loop, and well before Epping. But I thought that might be because Hampton Court is an attraction in London, served by a station in Surrey. |
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