Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4551758.stm

A teenager was killed when he was hit by a high-speed train, police
said.

The 17-year-old was on the tracks at Hanwell Station in west London
when he was struck just after midnight by the 23.54 Heathrow to
Paddington Express.

Four other youths who were with him managed to get out of the way of
the train which travels up to 100mph. The victim's relatives have yet
to be told.

The incident closed the line for about two hours and some passengers
had to be bussed home - [according to the BBC web site. Actually it was
more likely 400 from Paddington alone, and it took FGW/FGWL two and
half hours to arrange one bus and one coach for those stranded to
Reading and Oxford].

A British Transport Police spokesman said the four youths [who
survived] will be questioned on Thursday but they are not treating the
death as suspicious. [Like they should have been on the tracks in the
middle of the night in the first place?]

"We think it is a tragic case of kids playing on the tracks," the
spokesman said. [Er - excuse me - 'playing' - what games do kids 'play'
on high speed railway tracks in the middle of the night?]

That area has also been hit recently with yet more heavy graffiti
including all over the newly decorated Hanwell Station.

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

CJB wrote:


Four other youths who were with him managed to get out of the way of
the train which travels up to 100mph. The victim's relatives have yet
to be told.

The incident closed the line for about two hours and some passengers
had to be bussed home - [according to the BBC web site. Actually it
was more likely 400 from Paddington alone, and it took FGW/FGWL two
and half hours to arrange one bus and one coach for those stranded to
Reading and Oxford].

How do you know it was 400? Did you count them? That's almost 'closing'
time for Paddinton (in terms of major services) therefore I'm not
entirely surprised it took awhile to arrange alternate transport.


A British Transport Police spokesman said the four youths [who
survived] will be questioned on Thursday but they are not treating the
death as suspicious. [Like they should have been on the tracks in the
middle of the night in the first place?]

No they shouldn't - but that's hardly suspicious is it? Suspicious
would be if he'd been pushed, or there was some other reason to believe
foul play.

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

CJB wrote:
Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington

[snip]

Interesting story, and interesting comments too, but it's a bit
difficult to work out which are your comments and which are the BBC's.
I think a sprinkling of quotation marks would have helped. Or else a
clear separation of quote from comment - something like
quoteblahblahblah/quote would have helped.

I noticed this incident on the NRES website last night. For some reason
they were saying that it had affected services provided by FGW, FGWL
and Heathrow Connect - no mention of Heathrow Express. I can't see how
HEx could have continued running though, especially if one of their
trains was directly involved.

One question - what is the lineside fencing like round here? I thought
it was all heavy duty steel palissade these days? I suppose these kids
could have reached the track from Southall platforms, but then where
would they be going to?

All very unfortunate, for everyone involved.
--
Pat Ricroft, City of Salford, UK
================================

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

Pat Ricroft wrote:
All very unfortunate, for everyone involved.

Perhaps, but I'm going out on a limb here... If the area was recently
hit with graffiti, and this happened late at night, then I might not be
too stupid in suspecting that they were involved.

I guess the proof will come if there's no more graffiti put up in the
next few days/weeks, as these kids probably got a pretty nasty shock
(one of them did, certainly).

There's no justification for being on the tracks, so - to be honest - I
hope this story goes away as quickly as possible. It's yet another
article that many people will read as being the train companies fault
in some way (or, at best, Network Rail for not 'protecting' these
people from themselves).

If they were involved in vandalism or graffiti, then we should perhaps
thanks the HEX for contributing to crime prevention. [quickly puts on
flame suit]

Jonathan

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

jonmorris wrote:
Pat Ricroft wrote:
All very unfortunate, for everyone involved.
Perhaps, but I'm going out on a limb here... If the area was recently
hit with graffiti, and this happened late at night, then I might not be
too stupid in suspecting that they were involved.
Impossible to say, without any er, *evidence*.

I guess the proof will come if there's no more graffiti put up in the
next few days/weeks, as these kids probably got a pretty nasty shock
No, that won't prove anything. The kids being in possession of cans of
spray paint, even that wouldn't necessarily prove they did *that* bit of
tagging. CCTV or witnesses, now those would be persuasive evidence.

If they were involved in vandalism or graffiti, then we should perhaps
thanks the HEX for contributing to crime prevention. [quickly puts on
flame suit]
I'm not going to flame you. You know that was in squalid taste and you
know the appropriate thing to do would be to withdraw the remark. Ours
is not the kind of country where simply making the place look untidy is
or ever has been a capital offence.

There's no justification for being on the tracks
True.

I hope this story goes away as quickly as possible. It's yet another
article that many people will read as being the train companies fault
in some way (or, at best, Network Rail for not 'protecting' these
people from themselves).
I'd give people more credit than that. I might be wrong.
--
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9683795.html
(151 001 at Derby, 13 Jun 1985)

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

"Chris Tolley" wrote in message ...
jonmorris wrote:
Pat Ricroft wrote:
All very unfortunate, for everyone involved.
Perhaps, but I'm going out on a limb here... If the area was recently
hit with graffiti, and this happened late at night, then I might not be
too stupid in suspecting that they were involved.
Impossible to say, without any er, *evidence*.

I guess the proof will come if there's no more graffiti put up in the
next few days/weeks, as these kids probably got a pretty nasty shock
No, that won't prove anything. The kids being in possession of cans of
spray paint, even that wouldn't necessarily prove they did *that* bit of
tagging. CCTV or witnesses, now those would be persuasive evidence.

If they were involved in vandalism or graffiti, then we should perhaps
thanks the HEX for contributing to crime prevention. [quickly puts on
flame suit]
I'm not going to flame you. You know that was in squalid taste and you
know the appropriate thing to do would be to withdraw the remark. Ours
is not the kind of country where simply making the place look untidy is
or ever has been a capital offence.

There's no justification for being on the tracks
True.

I hope this story goes away as quickly as possible. It's yet another
article that many people will read as being the train companies fault
in some way (or, at best, Network Rail for not 'protecting' these
people from themselves).
I'd give people more credit than that. I might be wrong.
--
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9683795.html
(151 001 at Derby, 13 Jun 1985)


The guy who was killed was 17....way old enough to know what he was doing, know how dangerous it is/was, know the disasterous
results of being in that area ( the tracks ).
It's time to face reality - he played his game and lost. I feel sorry for his family esp at this time of year and the driver of
the HEX. Sorry it sounds cold but excuses have been made time and again for these idiots when a bit of common could have saved his
life. It's not as if it was a tragic accident ( judging on info so far received ). He was knowingly and willingly in the very
wrong place at a very wrong time.....and paid the price

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

It's not as if it was a tragic accident
Perhaps his family have a different perspective

It's time to face reality - he played his game and lost.
No danger of the Christmas spirit here then

He was knowingly and willingly in the very
wrong place at a very wrong time.....and paid the price
And a happy and prosperous 2006 to you and yours

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

Simon wrote:
It's not as if it was a tragic accident
Perhaps his family have a different perspective
I don't doubt they have, but it doesn't change the facts

It's time to face reality - he played his game and lost.
No danger of the Christmas spirit here then
See above, being Christmas is no excuse for being where they were.

He was knowingly and willingly in the very
wrong place at a very wrong time.....and paid the price
And a happy and prosperous 2006 to you and yours
And the best to you as well, keep up the good work & don't let reason cloud
your judgement.


--
Regards


Vauxhall

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

"Simon" wrote in message oups.com...
It's not as if it was a tragic accident
Perhaps his family have a different perspective

It's time to face reality - he played his game and lost.
No danger of the Christmas spirit here then

He was knowingly and willingly in the very
wrong place at a very wrong time.....and paid the price
And a happy and prosperous 2006 to you and yours


y'see, exactly what i'm on about. What has Christmas spirit got to do with this event ? Does it make any difference if this
happened in July ?

The guy was trespassing on a live railway and got hit by a train. He was 17 years old. He knew it was a) wrong and b) dangerous
but he still took that decision and got the consequences.

I feel very sorry for his family ( as mentioned ) but at the end of the day, he's an adult ( or as near to it in the eyes of the
law). Do i have to dress it up and pretend i have massive sympathy for HIM simply because it's Christmas ? HIS actions cost him
HIS life. Regardless of date, this guy was a bloody idiot. If your saying that in this week i have to say ' i feel so sorry for
him and maybe it wasn't his FAULT and he was only 17 ' for the sake of Christmas spirit but for the other 51 weeks of the year
it's ok to be truthful, then sorry, i don't buy that.

A happy and properous 2006 to you and yours. My they drive safe and keep of bust railway tracks

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

"the REAL Trevor McDonut" wrote in message ...

"Simon" wrote in message oups.com...
It's not as if it was a tragic accident
Perhaps his family have a different perspective

It's time to face reality - he played his game and lost.
No danger of the Christmas spirit here then

He was knowingly and willingly in the very
wrong place at a very wrong time.....and paid the price
And a happy and prosperous 2006 to you and yours


y'see, exactly what i'm on about. What has Christmas spirit got to do with this event ? Does it make any difference if this
happened in July ?

The guy was trespassing on a live railway and got hit by a train. He was 17 years old. He knew it was a) wrong and b) dangerous
but he still took that decision and got the consequences.

I feel very sorry for his family ( as mentioned ) but at the end of the day, he's an adult ( or as near to it in the eyes of the
law). Do i have to dress it up and pretend i have massive sympathy for HIM simply because it's Christmas ? HIS actions cost him
HIS life. Regardless of date, this guy was a bloody idiot. If your saying that in this week i have to say ' i feel so sorry for
him and maybe it wasn't his FAULT and he was only 17 ' for the sake of Christmas spirit but for the other 51 weeks of the year
it's ok to be truthful, then sorry, i don't buy that.

A happy and properous 2006 to you and yours. My they drive safe and keep of bust railway tracks


whoops that should have read busy railway tracks

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

Im glad there are enough of us here to be honest enough to say what 99% are
actually thinking, in that this guy got exactly what he deserved. Our
thoughts should be with the train driver and the network rail bods who have
to pick bits of this guy up spread over a large area. Im sure the 1% of you
sandal wearing, pullover knitting, yoghart eating lefties will be outraged
at this but sorry, youre obviously confusing me with someone who actually
cares what you think.
A merry christmas to you all, and remember kids, stay off those tracks, the
train always wins.



"the REAL Trevor McDonut" wrote in message
...

"the REAL Trevor McDonut" wrote in message
...

"Simon" wrote in message
oups.com...
It's not as if it was a tragic accident
Perhaps his family have a different perspective

It's time to face reality - he played his game and lost.
No danger of the Christmas spirit here then

He was knowingly and willingly in the very
wrong place at a very wrong time.....and paid the price
And a happy and prosperous 2006 to you and yours


y'see, exactly what i'm on about. What has Christmas spirit got to do
with this event ? Does it make any difference if this happened in July ?

The guy was trespassing on a live railway and got hit by a train. He was
17 years old. He knew it was a) wrong and b) dangerous but he still took
that decision and got the consequences.

I feel very sorry for his family ( as mentioned ) but at the end of the
day, he's an adult ( or as near to it in the eyes of the law). Do i have
to dress it up and pretend i have massive sympathy for HIM simply because
it's Christmas ? HIS actions cost him HIS life. Regardless of date, this
guy was a bloody idiot. If your saying that in this week i have to say '
i feel so sorry for him and maybe it wasn't his FAULT and he was only 17
' for the sake of Christmas spirit but for the other 51 weeks of the year
it's ok to be truthful, then sorry, i don't buy that.

A happy and properous 2006 to you and yours. My they drive safe and keep
of bust railway tracks


whoops that should have read busy railway tracks

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

Every time there is a widely publicised trespasser death, a torrent of
the sort of comments appear which you can see above (or below,
depending on your preferred method of reading Usenet posts). About
50-50 "serves them right" and "you callous sod". So predictable.

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

In message . com,
jonmorris writes

There's no justification for being on the tracks,

In the absence of other evidence, given their ages and the time of night
it was quite probably the age-old problem of missing the last train back
and trying to walk home down the tracks, rather too pickled to realise
that other non-stopping trains use the same route.

Sadly it happens very frequently - at least two such deaths on the line
at the end of my road (and another due to climbing over a nearby level
crossing barrier while too inebriated to think about oncoming trains).

--
Paul Terry

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

Having arrived at Paddington that night hundreds of us boarded the
00.25 train for Hayes and Reading - and then sat, and sat, and sat
going nowhere - for nearly two and a half hours. No-one had any
specific info., nothing was announced although the train p.a. crackled
now-and-again. All we were told was that "all of the lines had been
closed by the police due to an incident at Hanwell." And "No - we
couldn't even get to Ealing."

At Paddington there were no managers trying to sort things out. There
were only four hapless station staff and two drivers trying to organise
400+ tired passengers milling around not knowing what to do.

EVENTUALLY at 02.45 - fully two and half hours later - all that
FGWL/FGW could provide was a double decker bus for stations to Reading
and a small coach for Oxford. Just these for 400+ passengers.

Having got the bus to Reading via Hayes we then had to endure the bus
driver steering with his left hand, with his right hand holding a
mobile phone to his left ear. Apparently he was talking to his
supervisor who must have known that he was driving a bus chock. full of
passengers. In fact this bus was crammed with passengers standing
upstairs and downstairs and on the stairs, and such was his eratic
driving whilst on the phone that when he hit the median curb into Hayes
the bus and everyone lurched sideways putting all of our lives at risk.

CJB

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

CAB ?

--
If you *MUST* practice GREEK on eachother, please be safe and use plent of
GREASE inneet peeps
"CJB" wrote in message
oups.com...
Having arrived at Paddington that night hundreds of us boarded the
00.25 train for Hayes and Reading - and then sat, and sat, and sat
going nowhere - for nearly two and a half hours. No-one had any
specific info., nothing was announced although the train p.a. crackled
now-and-again. All we were told was that "all of the lines had been
closed by the police due to an incident at Hanwell." And "No - we
couldn't even get to Ealing."

At Paddington there were no managers trying to sort things out. There
were only four hapless station staff and two drivers trying to organise
400+ tired passengers milling around not knowing what to do.

EVENTUALLY at 02.45 - fully two and half hours later - all that
FGWL/FGW could provide was a double decker bus for stations to Reading
and a small coach for Oxford. Just these for 400+ passengers.

Having got the bus to Reading via Hayes we then had to endure the bus
driver steering with his left hand, with his right hand holding a
mobile phone to his left ear. Apparently he was talking to his
supervisor who must have known that he was driving a bus chock. full of
passengers. In fact this bus was crammed with passengers standing
upstairs and downstairs and on the stairs, and such was his eratic
driving whilst on the phone that when he hit the median curb into Hayes
the bus and everyone lurched sideways putting all of our lives at risk.

CJB

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

"CJB" wrote in message
oups.com...

Having got the bus to Reading via Hayes we then had to endure the bus
driver steering with his left hand, with his right hand holding a
mobile phone to his left ear. Apparently he was talking to his
supervisor who must have known that he was driving a bus chock. full of
passengers. In fact this bus was crammed with passengers standing
upstairs and downstairs and on the stairs, and such was his eratic
driving whilst on the phone that when he hit the median curb into Hayes
the bus and everyone lurched sideways putting all of our lives at risk.


That's what happens when you catch a bus. You should have got the train.
:)

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

"CJB" wrote in message
oups.com...
Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4551758.stm

A teenager was killed when he was hit by a high-speed train, police
said.

The 17-year-old was on the tracks at Hanwell Station in west London
when he was struck just after midnight by the 23.54 Heathrow to
Paddington Express.

Four other youths who were with him managed to get out of the way of
the train which travels up to 100mph. The victim's relatives have yet
to be told.

That area has also been hit recently with yet more heavy graffiti
including all over the newly decorated Hanwell Station.

The BBC are now saying that the victime was involved in spraying graffiti at
the time, though this does not appear at news.bbc.co.uk

Peter

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

"Andy" wrote in
:

Im glad there are enough of us here to be honest enough to say what
99% are actually thinking, in that this guy got exactly what he
deserved.

Translation: "I have no compassion at all within me, but it's OK because
neither have lots of others."

Our thoughts should be with the train driver and the network
rail bods who have to pick bits of this guy up spread over a large
area.

Translation: "Naturally, some faux concern for innocent parties always
goes down well, so I'll stick a bit in at this point."

Im sure the 1% of you sandal wearing, pullover knitting,
yoghart eating lefties will be outraged at this

Translation: "I'd like to take this opportunity to gratuitously abuse
anyone who doesn't share my opinions."

but sorry, youre
obviously confusing me with someone who actually cares what you think.

Glad to hear it, otherwise I would have been reluctant to say that I
think you still have some distance to go before reaching the level of
human being.

Rick. (Occasional yoghurt-eater)

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

Rick Hughes wrote:
"Andy" wrote in
:

Im glad there are enough of us here to be honest enough to say what
99% are actually thinking, in that this guy got exactly what he
deserved.

Translation: "I have no compassion at all within me, but it's OK
because neither have lots of others."

Why have compassion for someone who deliberately puts himself in harm's way
whilst damaging your property?

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

Why have compassion for someone who deliberately puts himself in harm's way
whilst damaging your property?
Maybe having a 17-year old child yourself is the clearest way of
answering this question

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

"contrex" wrote in message
ups.com...
Every time there is a widely publicised trespasser death, a torrent of
the sort of comments appear which you can see above (or below,
depending on your preferred method of reading Usenet posts). About
50-50 "serves them right" and "you callous sod". So predictable.

Perhaps you would do us the honour of giving us your opinion. Or does the
fence your sitting on hurt your arse so much that you cant comment,


--
JFG

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

Simon wrote:
Why have compassion for someone who deliberately puts himself in
harm's way whilst damaging your property?
Maybe having a 17-year old child yourself is the clearest way of
answering this question

I'm sure his parent's will be distraught, quite understandably, and will
tell the rest of the world that he was a good boy, equally understandably.

However, the fact remains that a 17 year old has sufficient knowledge to
know that if a human body puts itself in the path of a train travelling at
100mph there is only one outcome. Why have compassion for someone so
reckless with his own well being? Try answering the question, if only for
those who don't have 17 year old children.

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

Simon wrote:
Why have compassion for someone who deliberately puts himself in
harm's way whilst damaging your property?
Maybe having a 17-year old child yourself is the clearest way of
answering this question

Still does not change the facts.


--
JFG

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

Rick Hughes wrote:
"Andy" wrote in
:

Im glad there are enough of us here to be honest enough to say what
99% are actually thinking, in that this guy got exactly what he
deserved.

Translation: "I have no compassion at all within me, but it's OK
because neither have lots of others."

Read the post

Our thoughts should be with the train driver and the network
rail bods who have to pick bits of this guy up spread over a large
area.

Translation: "Naturally, some faux concern for innocent parties always
goes down well, so I'll stick a bit in at this point."


So you don't agree,
Im sure the 1% of you sandal wearing, pullover knitting,
yoghart eating lefties will be outraged at this

Translation: "I'd like to take this opportunity to gratuitously abuse
anyone who doesn't share my opinions."

To near the truth!!

but sorry, youre
obviously confusing me with someone who actually cares what you
think.

Glad to hear it, otherwise I would have been reluctant to say that I
think you still have some distance to go before reaching the level of
human being.


Does this mean up to your level?

Rick. (Occasional yoghurt-eater)



--
JFG

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

JFGrieve wrote:
Rick Hughes wrote:
"Andy" wrote in
:

Im glad there are enough of us here to be honest enough to say what
99% are actually thinking, in that this guy got exactly what he
deserved.

Translation: "I have no compassion at all within me, but it's OK
because neither have lots of others."

Read the post

Our thoughts should be with the train driver and the network
rail bods who have to pick bits of this guy up spread over a large
area.

Translation: "Naturally, some faux concern for innocent parties always
goes down well, so I'll stick a bit in at this point."


So you don't agree,
Im sure the 1% of you sandal wearing, pullover knitting,
yoghart eating lefties will be outraged at this

Translation: "I'd like to take this opportunity to gratuitously abuse
anyone who doesn't share my opinions."

To near the truth!!

but sorry, youre
obviously confusing me with someone who actually cares what you
think.

Glad to hear it, otherwise I would have been reluctant to say that I
think you still have some distance to go before reaching the level of
human being.


Does this mean up to your level?

Rick. (Occasional yoghurt-eater)


Graffiti and other vandalisms are crimes and generally despicable.
They are not capital offences.

People trespassing on railway lines know that there are risks, but that
doesn't mean that they intend (or deserve) to die, any more than people
who cross roads.

People who are interested in railways have been ridiculed for years (eg
the term "trainspotter", for which there is no equivalent for anyone
interested in any other industry).

So we have a tendency to think "hey, our trains are well 'ard; we've
managed to kill another one; that'll show 'em that we ought to be taken
seriously".

But I don't see why our pride in being interested in an industry which
involves dangerous machinery should make us quite so gleeful about
people getting killed by that machinery. I don't think it happens in
other industries.

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

"CJB" wrote in message
oups.com...
Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4551758.stm

A teenager was killed when he was hit by a high-speed train, police
said.

The 17-year-old was on the tracks at Hanwell Station in west London
when he was struck just after midnight by the 23.54 Heathrow to
Paddington Express.

Four other youths who were with him managed to get out of the way of
the train which travels up to 100mph. The victim's relatives have yet
to be told.

The incident closed the line for about two hours and some passengers
had to be bussed home - [according to the BBC web site. Actually it was
more likely 400 from Paddington alone, and it took FGW/FGWL two and
half hours to arrange one bus and one coach for those stranded to
Reading and Oxford].

A British Transport Police spokesman said the four youths [who
survived] will be questioned on Thursday but they are not treating the
death as suspicious. [Like they should have been on the tracks in the
middle of the night in the first place?]

"We think it is a tragic case of kids playing on the tracks," the
spokesman said. [Er - excuse me - 'playing' - what games do kids 'play'
on high speed railway tracks in the middle of the night?]

That area has also been hit recently with yet more heavy graffiti
including all over the newly decorated Hanwell Station.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
So it's one less hooded chav mugger to worry about why don't we openly
encourage more of this little ****s mates to do the same,maybe we could put
it in the national curriculum,Merry Christmas.

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

I don't see the need to share my opinion with a dim sod and insulting
troll who is unaware of the difference between "your" and "you're".

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

"MIG" wrote in message
oups.com...

JFGrieve wrote:
Rick Hughes wrote:
"Andy" wrote in
:

Im glad there are enough of us here to be honest enough to say what
99% are actually thinking, in that this guy got exactly what he
deserved.

Translation: "I have no compassion at all within me, but it's OK
because neither have lots of others."

Read the post

Our thoughts should be with the train driver and the network
rail bods who have to pick bits of this guy up spread over a large
area.

Translation: "Naturally, some faux concern for innocent parties always
goes down well, so I'll stick a bit in at this point."


So you don't agree,
Im sure the 1% of you sandal wearing, pullover knitting,
yoghart eating lefties will be outraged at this

Translation: "I'd like to take this opportunity to gratuitously abuse
anyone who doesn't share my opinions."

To near the truth!!

but sorry, youre
obviously confusing me with someone who actually cares what you
think.

Glad to hear it, otherwise I would have been reluctant to say that I
think you still have some distance to go before reaching the level of
human being.


Does this mean up to your level?

Rick. (Occasional yoghurt-eater)


Graffiti and other vandalisms are crimes and generally despicable.
They are not capital offences.

No one has been punished in that way for that crime, in fact very few have
been caught.


People trespassing on railway lines know that there are risks, but that
doesn't mean that they intend (or deserve) to die, any more than people
who cross roads.

But standing in front of a fast moving train is an effective means of
getting killed. Two paces to the side of the track would have meant staying
alive.


People who are interested in railways have been ridiculed for years (eg
the term "trainspotter", for which there is no equivalent for anyone
interested in any other industry).

So we have a tendency to think "hey, our trains are well 'ard; we've
managed to kill another one; that'll show 'em that we ought to be taken
seriously".

What a perverse view, except for the point about takingt trains seriously.


But I don't see why our pride in being interested in an industry which
involves dangerous machinery should make us quite so gleeful about
people getting killed by that machinery. I don't think it happens in
other industries.

No one is "gleeful" that someone has got himself killed. If someone is
sufficiently stupid to stand in front of a fast moviing train, what should
anyone else have sympathy for him?

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MIG wrote:
JFGrieve wrote:
Rick Hughes wrote:
"Andy" wrote in
:

Im glad there are enough of us here to be honest enough to say what
99% are actually thinking, in that this guy got exactly what he
deserved.

Translation: "I have no compassion at all within me, but it's OK
because neither have lots of others."

Read the post

Our thoughts should be with the train driver and the network
rail bods who have to pick bits of this guy up spread over a large
area.

Translation: "Naturally, some faux concern for innocent parties
always goes down well, so I'll stick a bit in at this point."


So you don't agree,
Im sure the 1% of you sandal wearing, pullover knitting,
yoghart eating lefties will be outraged at this

Translation: "I'd like to take this opportunity to gratuitously
abuse anyone who doesn't share my opinions."

To near the truth!!

but sorry, youre
obviously confusing me with someone who actually cares what you
think.

Glad to hear it, otherwise I would have been reluctant to say that I
think you still have some distance to go before reaching the level
of human being.


Does this mean up to your level?

Rick. (Occasional yoghurt-eater)


Graffiti and other vandalisms are crimes and generally despicable.
They are not capital offences.

Nobody ever said that they were, although the owner of a house whose side
wall has been 'tagged' three times in the last month might disagree.

People trespassing on railway lines know that there are risks, but
that doesn't mean that they intend (or deserve) to die, any more than
people who cross roads.

Quite true & nobody here said that they should be, buts lets be clear in
most cases they brought the problems on thereselves.

People who are interested in railways have been ridiculed for years
(eg the term "trainspotter", for which there is no equivalent for
anyone interested in any other industry).

Well there is 'planespotters' but there has been no suggestion that these
people were enthusiasts.

So we have a tendency to think "hey, our trains are well 'ard; we've
managed to kill another one; that'll show 'em that we ought to be
taken seriously".

Who said that?

But I don't see why our pride in being interested in an industry which
involves dangerous machinery should make us quite so gleeful about
people getting killed by that machinery. I don't think it happens in
other industries.

Please show me a gleeful post in this thread.



--
JFG

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Brimstone wrote
No one is "gleeful" that someone has got himself killed.
JFG wrote
Please show me a gleeful post in this thread.


Are the above statements really grounded in fact? - look at the
excerpts below from this email thread, it is hard to escape the general
view that due justice has been served in a way that many find
satisfying at least. The comments do range from at best 'hard hearted'
to at worst 'celebratory'.

1. we should perhaps thanks the HEX for contributing to crime
prevention.

2.He was knowingly and willingly in the very wrong place at a very
wrong time.....and paid the price

3. HIS actions cost him HIS life. Regardless of date, this guy was a
bloody idiot. If ....... i have to say 'i feel so sorry for him and
maybe it wasn't his FAULT and he was only 17 '..... then sorry, i
don't buy that.

4. this guy got exactly what he deserved.

5. Why have compassion for someone who deliberately puts himself in
harm's way

6. Why have compassion for someone so reckless with his own well being?


7. If someone is sufficiently stupid to stand in front of a fast
moviing train, what should anyone else have sympathy for him?

8. So it's one less hooded chav mugger to worry about

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

"Simon" wrote in message
ups.com...
Brimstone wrote
No one is "gleeful" that someone has got himself killed.
JFG wrote
Please show me a gleeful post in this thread.


Are the above statements really grounded in fact? - look at the
excerpts below from this email thread, it is hard to escape the general
view that due justice has been served in a way that many find
satisfying at least. The comments do range from at best 'hard hearted'
to at worst 'celebratory'.

1. we should perhaps thanks the HEX for contributing to crime
prevention.

2.He was knowingly and willingly in the very wrong place at a very
wrong time.....and paid the price

3. HIS actions cost him HIS life. Regardless of date, this guy was a
bloody idiot. If ....... i have to say 'i feel so sorry for him and
maybe it wasn't his FAULT and he was only 17 '..... then sorry, i
don't buy that.

4. this guy got exactly what he deserved.

5. Why have compassion for someone who deliberately puts himself in
harm's way

6. Why have compassion for someone so reckless with his own well being?


7. If someone is sufficiently stupid to stand in front of a fast
moviing train, what should anyone else have sympathy for him?

8. So it's one less hooded chav mugger to worry about

Your views are so childish it's unbelievable. They don't stretch to beyond
the visible. You can't understand what's going on in other people's heads,
so you analyse the situation entirely on what you see.

I just hope you never need compassion from others, because if they think
like you, you're screwed.

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

"JFGrieve" wrote in message
...
MIG wrote:
People who are interested in railways have been ridiculed for years
(eg the term "trainspotter", for which there is no equivalent for
anyone interested in any other industry).

Well there is 'planespotters' but there has been no suggestion that these
people were enthusiasts.

Lorries as well, especially Eddie Stobart ones.

--
*** http://www.railwayscene.co.uk/ ***
Rich Mackin (rich-at-richmackin-co-uk)
MSN: richmackin-at-hotmail-dot-com

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

In message
"Rich Mackin" wrote:

"JFGrieve" wrote in message
...
MIG wrote:
People who are interested in railways have been ridiculed for years
(eg the term "trainspotter", for which there is no equivalent for
anyone interested in any other industry).

Well there is 'planespotters' but there has been no suggestion that these
people were enthusiasts.

Lorries as well, especially Eddie Stobart ones.


Petrol heads, Twitchers, nerds, geeks and, of course, the all-purpose anorak.

Just about any hobby will have a derogatory term for the more extreme
practioners.

--
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

"CJB" wrote in message
oups.com...
Having arrived at Paddington that night hundreds of us boarded the
00.25 train for Hayes and Reading - and then sat, and sat, and sat
going nowhere - for nearly two and a half hours. No-one had any
specific info., nothing was announced although the train p.a.
crackled
now-and-again. All we were told was that "all of the lines had been
closed by the police due to an incident at Hanwell." And "No - we
couldn't even get to Ealing."

At Paddington there were no managers trying to sort things out.
There
were only four hapless station staff and two drivers trying to
organise
400+ tired passengers milling around not knowing what to do.

EVENTUALLY at 02.45 - fully two and half hours later - all that
FGWL/FGW could provide was a double decker bus for stations to
Reading
and a small coach for Oxford. Just these for 400+ passengers.

Nothing new there then.
When the railway works well it's best of all, but when it goes wrong
its very definately the worst.

Having got the bus to Reading via Hayes we then had to endure the
bus
driver steering with his left hand, with his right hand holding a
mobile phone to his left ear. Apparently he was talking to his
supervisor who must have known that he was driving a bus chock. full
of
passengers. In fact this bus was crammed with passengers standing
upstairs and downstairs and on the stairs, and such was his eratic
driving whilst on the phone that when he hit the median curb into
Hayes
the bus and everyone lurched sideways putting all of our lives at
risk.

I thought it was an offence to drive while using a handheld mobile.

As this was a very particular special it ought to be easy for the
police to identify the driver and his mobile phone records and with
your testomony should be able to get a successful prosecution -if they
were remotely interested.

However as such a prosecution might just/possibly/remotely damage
mobile phone sales or revenue streams I expect Tony Blair of the
'Labour will always put business first' party have introduced an
exception for vocational drivers. Now I come to think of it, the
number of HGV and van drivers I see using mobile phones confirms this
must be the case. ;-)

Roger

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

Okay the person killed maybe of unsound mind, very possible this time
of year! Sucides are common around Christmas. Is that not society's
fault?Not recognising someone needs help!

Or maybe it was a short cut home. At seventeen the parents should have
taught their seventeen year old the dangers in life, right from wrong!
And the consequences of breaking rules.

Under the influence of drink drugs, whatever! The individual's own
fault for not maintaining their own health and state of mind
sufficiently to know what they are doing.

You can have compassion for anyone involved and that includes the poor
individuals that have to clear the mess up after a fatality, it's not
nice I have to do it.

Which ever way you look at it, the loss of any human life isn't nice..

The railway is a dangerous environment, mistakes often end in death!
What is the point of putting up signs warning people of danger, for
people to ignore them.

I have no sympathy for the drunkard who decides to walk home along the
railway lines because they have missed the last train. I certainly
don't in the early hours searching the railway lines for body parts.

Suicides, how selfish are they!!! Can't kill themselves, so
traumatise several railway workers by jumping in front of a train and
scattering themselves over the front of a train and along the railway
lines.

Children, yes poor child, but what on earth is an under ten doing out
along near railway lines??? What on earth are the parents thinking
of?? And then they quite blatantly blame the Railway for their childs
death, not because they didn't know where their child was!!!!

The British( not all, but a few) are stuck up our own arses!!!!
Instead of thinking we should be careful, life is precious, we take
risks and when those risks go wrong, it isn't our fault we didn't obey
rules it is always someone else!!!!

Sign says it is dangerous to trespass, so we do it!! Railway Bye Laws
state that one isn't permitted to use the railway if under the
influence of drink, gosh I wish they would enforce this to protect
staff! But people go on the railway drunk or drugged up. Off the
railway, speed signs say that the speed limit is a set speed, many
exceed it. Speed cameras are put in, hell the fuss over them!

I just wish people in Britain would consider that life is a one time
thing, and why take risks with it? And if you do, don't blame others
for your own errors.

I'll get off my soap box now......just had a hell of a night clearing
up another fatality

Enjoy life and spend less time worrying about other peoples life and
the risks they take and those that lose their life through flouting
laid down warnings. The warnings aren't there to make life differcult,
but as a warning yu are putting your life in danger!!!!


Merry Christmas

Christine






On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:34:41 GMT, "the REAL Trevor McDonut"
wrote:


"Simon" wrote in message oups.com...
It's not as if it was a tragic accident
Perhaps his family have a different perspective

It's time to face reality - he played his game and lost.
No danger of the Christmas spirit here then

He was knowingly and willingly in the very
wrong place at a very wrong time.....and paid the price
And a happy and prosperous 2006 to you and yours


y'see, exactly what i'm on about. What has Christmas spirit got to do with this event ? Does it make any difference if this
happened in July ?

The guy was trespassing on a live railway and got hit by a train. He was 17 years old. He knew it was a) wrong and b) dangerous
but he still took that decision and got the consequences.

I feel very sorry for his family ( as mentioned ) but at the end of the day, he's an adult ( or as near to it in the eyes of the
law). Do i have to dress it up and pretend i have massive sympathy for HIM simply because it's Christmas ? HIS actions cost him
HIS life. Regardless of date, this guy was a bloody idiot. If your saying that in this week i have to say ' i feel so sorry for
him and maybe it wasn't his FAULT and he was only 17 ' for the sake of Christmas spirit but for the other 51 weeks of the year
it's ok to be truthful, then sorry, i don't buy that.

A happy and properous 2006 to you and yours. My they drive safe and keep of bust railway tracks

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

Rich Mackin wrote:
"JFGrieve" wrote in message
...
MIG wrote:
People who are interested in railways have been ridiculed for years
(eg the term "trainspotter", for which there is no equivalent for
anyone interested in any other industry).
Well there is 'planespotters' but there has been no suggestion that these
people were enthusiasts.

Lorries as well, especially Eddie Stobart ones.

No Dentressangle every time..

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

"Simon" wrote in message ups.com...
Brimstone wrote
No one is "gleeful" that someone has got himself killed.
JFG wrote
Please show me a gleeful post in this thread.


Are the above statements really grounded in fact? - look at the
excerpts below from this email thread, it is hard to escape the general
view that due justice has been served in a way that many find
satisfying at least. The comments do range from at best 'hard hearted'
to at worst 'celebratory'.

1. we should perhaps thanks the HEX for contributing to crime
prevention.

2.He was knowingly and willingly in the very wrong place at a very
wrong time.....and paid the price

3. HIS actions cost him HIS life. Regardless of date, this guy was a
bloody idiot. If ....... i have to say 'i feel so sorry for him and
maybe it wasn't his FAULT and he was only 17 '..... then sorry, i
don't buy that.

4. this guy got exactly what he deserved.

5. Why have compassion for someone who deliberately puts himself in
harm's way

6. Why have compassion for someone so reckless with his own well being?


7. If someone is sufficiently stupid to stand in front of a fast
moviing train, what should anyone else have sympathy for him?

8. So it's one less hooded chav mugger to worry about

maybe it's not a view that ' justice has been served that many find satisfying at least ' and i'm certainly not celebrating this
person's death under a train. I just feel that he was aware of his dangerous surroundings , he knew he shouldn't have been there
and the consequences of being at said place at said time cost him his life. Why should i pity him for his stupidity ?
No celebration that he's dead, just stating my observations. If he had constantly put a loaded gun in his mouth with the safety
catch off for a game or a laugh and it accidentally went off, would you be so condemning of my thoughts or would you say , '
bloody fool , why put a loaded gun in your mouth...how stupid...didn't he know the danger , i've no sympathy for such a lack of
regard' etc etc etc Well whats the difference between the gun/mouth thing or playing on a busy railway ?

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

In uk.railway ZB wrote:
Well there is 'planespotters' but there has been no suggestion that these
people were enthusiasts.

Lorries as well, especially Eddie Stobart ones.

No Dentressangle every time..

Willi Betz!

pete
--
"there's no room for enigmas in built-up areas" - HMHB.

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

In uk.railway CJB wrote:
The 17-year-old was on the tracks at Hanwell Station in west London
when he was struck just after midnight by the 23.54 Heathrow to
Paddington Express.


As ever, my sympathies to the driver and to all the people who had to
deal with the consequences of this blatant and dangerous stupidity.

pete
--
"there's no room for enigmas in built-up areas" - HMHB.

Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington
 

"JFGrieve" wrote in news:dofdr5$bjo$1
@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com:

Im glad there are enough of us here to be honest enough to say what
99% are actually thinking, in that this guy got exactly what he
deserved.

Translation: "I have no compassion at all within me, but it's OK
because neither have lots of others."

Read the post

Read it, understood it, replied to it. What's the problem?

Our thoughts should be with the train driver and the network
rail bods who have to pick bits of this guy up spread over a large
area.

Translation: "Naturally, some faux concern for innocent parties always
goes down well, so I'll stick a bit in at this point."


So you don't agree,

No. I'm not one for insincerity.

Im sure the 1% of you sandal wearing, pullover knitting,
yoghart eating lefties will be outraged at this

Translation: "I'd like to take this opportunity to gratuitously abuse
anyone who doesn't share my opinions."

To near the truth!!

To do what?
Oh, did you mean /too/ near? Do you mean you agree, then?

Rick.