Did all 57 run? Could 9 or so have been cancelled?

Could 311 have been turned around short of Uxbridge?

spotter wrote:
Did all 57 run? Could 9 or so have been cancelled?

Could 311 have been turned around short of Uxbridge?

Why all the questions? The media got some numbers wrong. End of story.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Not just the media. TfL issued a press released on 7/7 saying the
Piccadilly Line train was 311. I wrote to TfL asking if it was a typo,
311 for 331. They replied saying that it was due to incorrect
information received and that they had corrected their records when
advised.

On 7/7 Transport for London were saying:

14:25 Transport for London Update

Latest information confirms that there were four incidents on London's
transport network this morning, three on London Underground and one on
London Buses.

At 09:46, the London Underground was suspended and all stations
commenced evacuation following incidents at:

* Aldgate station heading towards Liverpool Street station on the
Hammersmith & City line;
* Russell Square station heading towards Kings Cross station on the
Piccadilly line;
* Edgware Road station heading towards Paddington station on the
Hammersmith & City line.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...t.asp?prID=411

By 9/7 the story was :

Tube train bombs simultaneous

London Underground, the Metropolitan Police and the British Transport
Police can now confirm that the three bombs which exploded on three
Tube trains on Thursday 7 July 2005 went off simultaneously at around
08.50.

Explosions were as follows (in succession):

* Circle line train number 204 heading eastbound from Liverpool Street
station to Aldgate station.
* Circle line train number 216 travelling westbound heading from
Edgware Road station to Paddington station.
* Piccadilly line train number 311 travelling from King's Cross St
Pancras to Russell Square southbound.

The question arises: was 311 in the vicinity, eastbound

Just to recap the Blue Watch article:

The "Blue Watch" article does not give a train number. Instead it
describes the train as the 8.51am service. This can only be taken as an
actual departure time, since the trains were running late. It also
describes the train as follows:

"It was the 48th such service to leave London's busiest tube station
that morning, each carriage crammed with commuters, many reading the
newspaper coverage of London's Olympic triumph the previous day."

However it does give a carriage number, 346A. It is mentioned no less
than 11 times, including the title. 346A is described as the first
carriage twice. But car 346 cannot be the first carriage. It can only
be the third or fourth from the front. In addition it is a D car.

Later on in the article we have:

"The call-out that came at 9.04am on 7 July seemed as routine as they
come. Roche and his crew boarded engine Alpha 242 and set off. In his
hand a strip of tickertape read: 'Smoke issuing at Euston Square tube'
alongside the order that they should head as back-up to King's Cross
nearby. They remember the traffic being bad. By the time they pulled up
outside King's Cross, it was 9.13am.

Seventeen minutes earlier, three bombs had crippled the network but, as
Roche trooped on to the station concourse, his was the only emergency
vehicle parked outside the network's most vital hub."

Seventeen minutes before 9.13am is 8.56am, the original time given for
the Piccadilly Line explosion. The article was written in October.

This is so odd it can hardly be explained by sloppy journalism. Spot
the deliberate mistakes.

spotter wrote:
Not just the media. TfL issued a press released on 7/7 saying the
Piccadilly Line train was 311. I wrote to TfL asking if it was a
typo, 311 for 331. They replied saying that it was due to incorrect
information received and that they had corrected their records when
advised.

On 7/7 Transport for London were saying:

14:25 Transport for London Update

Latest information confirms that there were four incidents on London's
transport network this morning, three on London Underground and one on
London Buses.

At 09:46, the London Underground was suspended and all stations
commenced evacuation following incidents at:

* Aldgate station heading towards Liverpool Street station on the
Hammersmith & City line;
* Russell Square station heading towards Kings Cross station on the
Piccadilly line;
* Edgware Road station heading towards Paddington station on the
Hammersmith & City line.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...t.asp?prID=411

By 9/7 the story was :

Tube train bombs simultaneous

London Underground, the Metropolitan Police and the British Transport
Police can now confirm that the three bombs which exploded on three
Tube trains on Thursday 7 July 2005 went off simultaneously at around
08.50.

Explosions were as follows (in succession):

* Circle line train number 204 heading eastbound from Liverpool Street
station to Aldgate station.
* Circle line train number 216 travelling westbound heading from
Edgware Road station to Paddington station.
* Piccadilly line train number 311 travelling from King's Cross St
Pancras to Russell Square southbound.

The question arises: was 311 in the vicinity, eastbound

Just to recap the Blue Watch article:

The "Blue Watch" article does not give a train number. Instead it
describes the train as the 8.51am service. This can only be taken as
an actual departure time, since the trains were running late. It also
describes the train as follows:

"It was the 48th such service to leave London's busiest tube station
that morning, each carriage crammed with commuters, many reading the
newspaper coverage of London's Olympic triumph the previous day."

However it does give a carriage number, 346A. It is mentioned no less
than 11 times, including the title. 346A is described as the first
carriage twice. But car 346 cannot be the first carriage. It can only
be the third or fourth from the front. In addition it is a D car.

Later on in the article we have:

"The call-out that came at 9.04am on 7 July seemed as routine as they
come. Roche and his crew boarded engine Alpha 242 and set off. In his
hand a strip of tickertape read: 'Smoke issuing at Euston Square tube'
alongside the order that they should head as back-up to King's Cross
nearby. They remember the traffic being bad. By the time they pulled
up outside King's Cross, it was 9.13am.

Seventeen minutes earlier, three bombs had crippled the network but,
as Roche trooped on to the station concourse, his was the only
emergency vehicle parked outside the network's most vital hub."

Seventeen minutes before 9.13am is 8.56am, the original time given for
the Piccadilly Line explosion. The article was written in October.

This is so odd it can hardly be explained by sloppy journalism. Spot
the deliberate mistakes.

So what?

A railway should know where its trains are.

spotter wrote:
A railway should know where its trains are.

You seem to be confusing what happened and what was reported.

spotter wrote:
Not just the media.

Please quote enough of the previous post to provide a context for
remarks such as "Not just ... ". We don't all use Google Groups.

TfL issued a press released on 7/7 saying the
Piccadilly Line train was 311. I wrote to TfL asking if it was a
typo, 311 for 331. They replied saying that it was due to incorrect
information received and that they had corrected their records when
advised.

On 7/7 Transport for London were saying:


snip

Yeah, yeah, so TfL's press office (as well as the media) got some
details wrong in the aftermath of a very complex set of incidents. So
what?

The question arises: was 311 in the vicinity, eastbound

Who cares? If 311 was a typo for 331, it's completely irrelevant where
311 was.

Just to recap the Blue Watch article:
[snip]
This is so odd it can hardly be explained by sloppy journalism. Spot
the deliberate mistakes.

In my experience, sloppy journalism is endemic. Stop dreaming up
conspiracy theories.

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Richard J. wrote: In my experience, sloppy journalism is endemic. Stop
dreaming up
conspiracy theories.

Agreed there is plenty of sloppy journalism, but this piece was
carefully crafted.

I have not put forward any theory, conspiracy or otherwise.

The time when the 48th train carrying passengers went through Kings's
Cross is a matter of fact. The whereabouts of train 311 is also a
matter of fact. I'd like to know. I am not called spotter for
nothing. TfL could have said it was a typo but they didn't. It could
have someone else's typo. Knowing the where 311 was at the time would
resolve the issue.

spotter wrote:
Richard J. wrote: In my experience, sloppy journalism is endemic. Stop
dreaming up
conspiracy theories.

Agreed there is plenty of sloppy journalism, but this piece was
carefully crafted.

I have not put forward any theory, conspiracy or otherwise.

The time when the 48th train carrying passengers went through Kings's
Cross is a matter of fact. The whereabouts of train 311 is also a
matter of fact. I'd like to know.

Why?

I am not called spotter for
nothing.

Presumably a name you chose for youself.

TfL could have said it was a typo but they didn't. It could
have someone else's typo. Knowing the where 311 was at the time would
resolve the issue.

What issue?

spotter wrote:
The time when the 48th train carrying passengers went through Kings's
Cross is a matter of fact. The whereabouts of train 311 is also a
matter of fact. I'd like to know.

Brimstone wrote:
Why?

There is not going to be an inquiry, so it's a case of DIY. The more I
look into it the more complex the story of what happened down there
becomes.

spotter wrote:
I am not called spotter for
nothing.

brimstone wrote:
Presumably a name you chose for youself.

My real name is S. P. Otter. I had no choice in the matter.


spotter wrote:
TfL could have said it was a typo but they didn't. It could
have been someone else's typo. Knowing where 311 was at the time would
resolve the issue.

Brimstone wrote:
What issue?

The issue of whether 311 was a typo or a confusion. A confusion might
arise if, say, 311 had pulled up in King's Cross having been slightly
damaged by the blast in the westbound coming through the boltholes. I
am not saying that this happened, only that 311 could have been
peripherally involved in some way if it was in the vicinity.