Blue Watch relive the bomb hell inside carriage 346A

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_ne...588239,00.html

Does any one know the other car numbers on this 7/7 Piccadilly Line
train?

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spotter writes
Blue Watch relive the bomb hell inside carriage 346A

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_ne...588239,00.html

Does any one know the other car numbers on this 7/7 Piccadilly Line
train?

As the affected cars were 166 (DM) and 566 (T) I'm not quite sure where
the 346A comes from. I think the train number was something like 316
(not too sure now, but I did at the time) so it couldn't have been that
either.

But then, when did the papers let facts get in the way of a good story?
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spotter writes
Blue Watch relive the bomb hell inside carriage 346A

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_ne...588239,00.html

Does any one know the other car numbers on this 7/7 Piccadilly Line
train?

As the affected cars were 166 (DM) and 566 (T) I'm not quite sure
where the 346A comes from. I think the train number was something
like 316 (not too sure now, but I did at the time) so it couldn't
have been that either.

Was it possibly a Fire Service designation?

Well yes the papers get it wrong. Somebody was pulling the reporter's
leg maybe. The train was first identified as 311, then over the
weekend this was changed to 331. A very knowledgeable person told me
that 346A is a nonsense, 346 would be a D car either the third or the
fourth carriage. As far as I can gather train 331 was made up as
follows: 166-566-366-417-617-217 with 166 in front.

Does 346 belong to train 311? We would then have 146-546-346 as a
half-train.

In message .com,
spotter writes
Well yes the papers get it wrong. Somebody was pulling the reporter's
leg maybe. The train was first identified as 311, then over the
weekend this was changed to 331. A very knowledgeable person told me
that 346A is a nonsense, 346 would be a D car either the third or the
fourth carriage. As far as I can gather train 331 was made up as
follows: 166-566-366-417-617-217 with 166 in front.

346 would indeed have (still has!) leading car 146. I suppose 166 could
have easily been confused with 146 in the melee. And it is an 'A' end
unit.

Does 346 belong to train 311? We would then have 146-546-346 as a
half-train.

As the trains are allocated their 'running numbers' on the day, and
frequently have to be reformed throughout the day for service
requirements anyway, it's unlikely anyone would know now if 146 was in
the consist of 311 on that day.

331 is booked to go westbound through Kings X at 0829. Bearing in mind
that we'd just had a big shutdown that morning at Holloway Road (I think
it was), then the train would be running late, which I gather it was.
So that sounds about the right one. As it was all going on well behind
me (I was stuck in Eastcote eastbound platform when it kicked off) the
details are starting to get a bit hazy now.
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In article .com,
spotter wrote:
Does 346 belong to train 311?

This question is like "does [car #] 346 belong to the 8:36 from Epping?"
in that "train 311" is an timetable ID. Different physical trains [1]
make up that service on different days.

[1] Lets skip some of the detail here.

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Brimstone, Steve, Mike

Thanks for the replies and information. Yes, I understand that a train
number is more like a service number and that a six car set can even
change its number during the day due to cancellations.

Does the working timetable say whether 311 is booked westbound through
King's Cross around 0830?

Steve, Brimstone, Mike

Thanks for the replies and information.

Does the working timetable say whether 311 is booked westbound through
King's Cross around 0830?

It says: 0641 to Uxbridge and 1015 to Heathrow, but as I said earlier
331 was booked through at that time.
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Does the working timetable say whether 311 is booked westbound through
King's Cross around 0830?

It says: 0641 to Uxbridge and 1015 to Heathrow, but as I said earlier
331 was booked through at that time.
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It takes 80 minutes minimum to get to Uxbridge from Cockfosters,
another 45 minutes minimum to get back to King's Cross. At around 0850
- 0900 it is scheduled to be heading eastbound through King's Cross?