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spotter December 26th 05 05:22 PM

Car 346A
 
Blue Watch relive the bomb hell inside carriage 346A

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_ne...588239,00.html

Does any one know the other car numbers on this 7/7 Piccadilly Line
train?


Steve Fitzgerald December 26th 05 06:10 PM

Car 346A
 
In message .com,
spotter writes
Blue Watch relive the bomb hell inside carriage 346A

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_ne...588239,00.html

Does any one know the other car numbers on this 7/7 Piccadilly Line
train?


As the affected cars were 166 (DM) and 566 (T) I'm not quite sure where
the 346A comes from. I think the train number was something like 316
(not too sure now, but I did at the time) so it couldn't have been that
either.

But then, when did the papers let facts get in the way of a good story?
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Brimstone December 26th 05 06:40 PM

Car 346A
 


Steve Fitzgerald wrote:
In message .com,
spotter writes
Blue Watch relive the bomb hell inside carriage 346A

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_ne...588239,00.html

Does any one know the other car numbers on this 7/7 Piccadilly Line
train?


As the affected cars were 166 (DM) and 566 (T) I'm not quite sure
where the 346A comes from. I think the train number was something
like 316 (not too sure now, but I did at the time) so it couldn't
have been that either.


Was it possibly a Fire Service designation?




spotter December 26th 05 06:47 PM

Car 346A
 
Well yes the papers get it wrong. Somebody was pulling the reporter's
leg maybe. The train was first identified as 311, then over the
weekend this was changed to 331. A very knowledgeable person told me
that 346A is a nonsense, 346 would be a D car either the third or the
fourth carriage. As far as I can gather train 331 was made up as
follows: 166-566-366-417-617-217 with 166 in front.

Does 346 belong to train 311? We would then have 146-546-346 as a
half-train.


Steve Fitzgerald December 26th 05 07:39 PM

Car 346A
 
In message .com,
spotter writes
Well yes the papers get it wrong. Somebody was pulling the reporter's
leg maybe. The train was first identified as 311, then over the
weekend this was changed to 331. A very knowledgeable person told me
that 346A is a nonsense, 346 would be a D car either the third or the
fourth carriage. As far as I can gather train 331 was made up as
follows: 166-566-366-417-617-217 with 166 in front.


346 would indeed have (still has!) leading car 146. I suppose 166 could
have easily been confused with 146 in the melee. And it is an 'A' end
unit.

Does 346 belong to train 311? We would then have 146-546-346 as a
half-train.


As the trains are allocated their 'running numbers' on the day, and
frequently have to be reformed throughout the day for service
requirements anyway, it's unlikely anyone would know now if 146 was in
the consist of 311 on that day.

331 is booked to go westbound through Kings X at 0829. Bearing in mind
that we'd just had a big shutdown that morning at Holloway Road (I think
it was), then the train would be running late, which I gather it was.
So that sounds about the right one. As it was all going on well behind
me (I was stuck in Eastcote eastbound platform when it kicked off) the
details are starting to get a bit hazy now.
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Mike Bristow December 26th 05 08:01 PM

Car 346A
 
In article .com,
spotter wrote:
Does 346 belong to train 311?


This question is like "does [car #] 346 belong to the 8:36 from Epping?"
in that "train 311" is an timetable ID. Different physical trains [1]
make up that service on different days.

[1] Lets skip some of the detail here.

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spotter December 26th 05 09:02 PM

Car 346A
 
Brimstone, Steve, Mike

Thanks for the replies and information. Yes, I understand that a train
number is more like a service number and that a six car set can even
change its number during the day due to cancellations.

Does the working timetable say whether 311 is booked westbound through
King's Cross around 0830?


spotter December 26th 05 09:03 PM

Car 346A
 
Steve, Brimstone, Mike

Thanks for the replies and information.


Steve Fitzgerald December 27th 05 09:54 AM

Car 346A
 
Does the working timetable say whether 311 is booked westbound through
King's Cross around 0830?


It says: 0641 to Uxbridge and 1015 to Heathrow, but as I said earlier
331 was booked through at that time.
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spotter December 27th 05 08:34 PM

Car 346A
 
Does the working timetable say whether 311 is booked westbound through
King's Cross around 0830?


It says: 0641 to Uxbridge and 1015 to Heathrow, but as I said earlier
331 was booked through at that time.
--

It takes 80 minutes minimum to get to Uxbridge from Cockfosters,
another 45 minutes minimum to get back to King's Cross. At around 0850
- 0900 it is scheduled to be heading eastbound through King's Cross?


Steve Fitzgerald December 27th 05 10:36 PM

Car 346A
 
In message . com,
spotter writes
Does the working timetable say whether 311 is booked westbound through
King's Cross around 0830?


It says: 0641 to Uxbridge and 1015 to Heathrow, but as I said earlier
331 was booked through at that time.

It takes 80 minutes minimum to get to Uxbridge from Cockfosters,
another 45 minutes minimum to get back to King's Cross. At around 0850
- 0900 it is scheduled to be heading eastbound through King's Cross?


Book says 0908 but because of the aforementioned shenanigans further
east I would suspect very, very late at that point as the smell of
burning was on the eastbound.
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spotter December 28th 05 09:11 AM

Car 346A
 
Steve, thanks very much for your trouble.
Car 364 is still a mystery.


spotter December 28th 05 09:14 AM

Car 346A
 
Steve, thanks very much for your trouble.
Car 346 remains a mystery.


spotter December 28th 05 07:07 PM

Car 346A
 
I have just has a thought. The "Blue Watch" article starts off:

"Sunday October 9, 2005
The Observer

He was firefighter Aaron Roche, the first person to enter carriage 346A
of the 8.51am Piccadilly Line service from King's Cross after the 7
July bombs went off.
It was the 48th such service to leave London's busiest tube station
that morning, each carriage crammed with commuters, many reading the
newspaper coverage of London's Olympic triumph the previous day.
It had just turned 10am when Roche began striding along the dark tunnel
towards the stranded train."

Is it possible to find out the number of the 48th westbound service
through King's Cross?


Steve Fitzgerald December 28th 05 10:18 PM

Car 346A
 
In message .com,
spotter writes
I have just has a thought. The "Blue Watch" article starts off:

"Sunday October 9, 2005
The Observer

He was firefighter Aaron Roche, the first person to enter carriage 346A
of the 8.51am Piccadilly Line service from King's Cross after the 7
July bombs went off.
It was the 48th such service to leave London's busiest tube station
that morning, each carriage crammed with commuters, many reading the
newspaper coverage of London's Olympic triumph the previous day.
It had just turned 10am when Roche began striding along the dark tunnel
towards the stranded train."

Is it possible to find out the number of the 48th westbound service
through King's Cross?


Including the 5 booked engineers trains, 316 at 0754 - that is one well
late train, the 48th passenger only would be 324 at 0806 1/2.

The actual bombed train was the 62nd train of the day including
engineers or 57th without (see, I knew that would be your next question
;-))
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spotter December 29th 05 04:14 AM

Car 346A
 
What a great article! What were the train numbers before and after the
bombed train?


spotter December 29th 05 10:50 AM

Car 346A
 
Did all 57 run? Could 9 or so have been cancelled?

Could 311 have been turned around short of Uxbridge?


Richard J. December 29th 05 11:48 AM

Car 346A
 
spotter wrote:
Did all 57 run? Could 9 or so have been cancelled?

Could 311 have been turned around short of Uxbridge?


Why all the questions? The media got some numbers wrong. End of story.
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spotter December 29th 05 01:39 PM

Car 346A
 
Not just the media. TfL issued a press released on 7/7 saying the
Piccadilly Line train was 311. I wrote to TfL asking if it was a typo,
311 for 331. They replied saying that it was due to incorrect
information received and that they had corrected their records when
advised.

On 7/7 Transport for London were saying:

14:25 Transport for London Update

Latest information confirms that there were four incidents on London's
transport network this morning, three on London Underground and one on
London Buses.

At 09:46, the London Underground was suspended and all stations
commenced evacuation following incidents at:

* Aldgate station heading towards Liverpool Street station on the
Hammersmith & City line;
* Russell Square station heading towards Kings Cross station on the
Piccadilly line;
* Edgware Road station heading towards Paddington station on the
Hammersmith & City line.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...t.asp?prID=411

By 9/7 the story was :

Tube train bombs simultaneous

London Underground, the Metropolitan Police and the British Transport
Police can now confirm that the three bombs which exploded on three
Tube trains on Thursday 7 July 2005 went off simultaneously at around
08.50.

Explosions were as follows (in succession):

* Circle line train number 204 heading eastbound from Liverpool Street
station to Aldgate station.
* Circle line train number 216 travelling westbound heading from
Edgware Road station to Paddington station.
* Piccadilly line train number 311 travelling from King's Cross St
Pancras to Russell Square southbound.

The question arises: was 311 in the vicinity, eastbound

Just to recap the Blue Watch article:

The "Blue Watch" article does not give a train number. Instead it
describes the train as the 8.51am service. This can only be taken as an
actual departure time, since the trains were running late. It also
describes the train as follows:

"It was the 48th such service to leave London's busiest tube station
that morning, each carriage crammed with commuters, many reading the
newspaper coverage of London's Olympic triumph the previous day."

However it does give a carriage number, 346A. It is mentioned no less
than 11 times, including the title. 346A is described as the first
carriage twice. But car 346 cannot be the first carriage. It can only
be the third or fourth from the front. In addition it is a D car.

Later on in the article we have:

"The call-out that came at 9.04am on 7 July seemed as routine as they
come. Roche and his crew boarded engine Alpha 242 and set off. In his
hand a strip of tickertape read: 'Smoke issuing at Euston Square tube'
alongside the order that they should head as back-up to King's Cross
nearby. They remember the traffic being bad. By the time they pulled up
outside King's Cross, it was 9.13am.

Seventeen minutes earlier, three bombs had crippled the network but, as
Roche trooped on to the station concourse, his was the only emergency
vehicle parked outside the network's most vital hub."

Seventeen minutes before 9.13am is 8.56am, the original time given for
the Piccadilly Line explosion. The article was written in October.

This is so odd it can hardly be explained by sloppy journalism. Spot
the deliberate mistakes.


Brimstone December 29th 05 01:46 PM

Car 346A
 


spotter wrote:
Not just the media. TfL issued a press released on 7/7 saying the
Piccadilly Line train was 311. I wrote to TfL asking if it was a
typo, 311 for 331. They replied saying that it was due to incorrect
information received and that they had corrected their records when
advised.

On 7/7 Transport for London were saying:

14:25 Transport for London Update

Latest information confirms that there were four incidents on London's
transport network this morning, three on London Underground and one on
London Buses.

At 09:46, the London Underground was suspended and all stations
commenced evacuation following incidents at:

* Aldgate station heading towards Liverpool Street station on the
Hammersmith & City line;
* Russell Square station heading towards Kings Cross station on the
Piccadilly line;
* Edgware Road station heading towards Paddington station on the
Hammersmith & City line.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...t.asp?prID=411

By 9/7 the story was :

Tube train bombs simultaneous

London Underground, the Metropolitan Police and the British Transport
Police can now confirm that the three bombs which exploded on three
Tube trains on Thursday 7 July 2005 went off simultaneously at around
08.50.

Explosions were as follows (in succession):

* Circle line train number 204 heading eastbound from Liverpool Street
station to Aldgate station.
* Circle line train number 216 travelling westbound heading from
Edgware Road station to Paddington station.
* Piccadilly line train number 311 travelling from King's Cross St
Pancras to Russell Square southbound.

The question arises: was 311 in the vicinity, eastbound

Just to recap the Blue Watch article:

The "Blue Watch" article does not give a train number. Instead it
describes the train as the 8.51am service. This can only be taken as
an actual departure time, since the trains were running late. It also
describes the train as follows:

"It was the 48th such service to leave London's busiest tube station
that morning, each carriage crammed with commuters, many reading the
newspaper coverage of London's Olympic triumph the previous day."

However it does give a carriage number, 346A. It is mentioned no less
than 11 times, including the title. 346A is described as the first
carriage twice. But car 346 cannot be the first carriage. It can only
be the third or fourth from the front. In addition it is a D car.

Later on in the article we have:

"The call-out that came at 9.04am on 7 July seemed as routine as they
come. Roche and his crew boarded engine Alpha 242 and set off. In his
hand a strip of tickertape read: 'Smoke issuing at Euston Square tube'
alongside the order that they should head as back-up to King's Cross
nearby. They remember the traffic being bad. By the time they pulled
up outside King's Cross, it was 9.13am.

Seventeen minutes earlier, three bombs had crippled the network but,
as Roche trooped on to the station concourse, his was the only
emergency vehicle parked outside the network's most vital hub."

Seventeen minutes before 9.13am is 8.56am, the original time given for
the Piccadilly Line explosion. The article was written in October.

This is so odd it can hardly be explained by sloppy journalism. Spot
the deliberate mistakes.


So what?



spotter December 29th 05 02:30 PM

Car 346A
 
A railway should know where its trains are.


Brimstone December 29th 05 03:12 PM

Car 346A
 


spotter wrote:
A railway should know where its trains are.


You seem to be confusing what happened and what was reported.



Richard J. December 29th 05 03:19 PM

Car 346A
 
spotter wrote:
Not just the media.


Please quote enough of the previous post to provide a context for
remarks such as "Not just ... ". We don't all use Google Groups.

TfL issued a press released on 7/7 saying the
Piccadilly Line train was 311. I wrote to TfL asking if it was a
typo, 311 for 331. They replied saying that it was due to incorrect
information received and that they had corrected their records when
advised.

On 7/7 Transport for London were saying:



snip

Yeah, yeah, so TfL's press office (as well as the media) got some
details wrong in the aftermath of a very complex set of incidents. So
what?

The question arises: was 311 in the vicinity, eastbound


Who cares? If 311 was a typo for 331, it's completely irrelevant where
311 was.

Just to recap the Blue Watch article:

[snip]
This is so odd it can hardly be explained by sloppy journalism. Spot
the deliberate mistakes.


In my experience, sloppy journalism is endemic. Stop dreaming up
conspiracy theories.

--
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spotter December 29th 05 03:57 PM

Car 346A
 
Richard J. wrote: In my experience, sloppy journalism is endemic. Stop
dreaming up
conspiracy theories.

Agreed there is plenty of sloppy journalism, but this piece was
carefully crafted.

I have not put forward any theory, conspiracy or otherwise.

The time when the 48th train carrying passengers went through Kings's
Cross is a matter of fact. The whereabouts of train 311 is also a
matter of fact. I'd like to know. I am not called spotter for
nothing. TfL could have said it was a typo but they didn't. It could
have someone else's typo. Knowing the where 311 was at the time would
resolve the issue.


Brimstone December 29th 05 05:15 PM

Car 346A
 


spotter wrote:
Richard J. wrote: In my experience, sloppy journalism is endemic. Stop
dreaming up
conspiracy theories.

Agreed there is plenty of sloppy journalism, but this piece was
carefully crafted.

I have not put forward any theory, conspiracy or otherwise.

The time when the 48th train carrying passengers went through Kings's
Cross is a matter of fact. The whereabouts of train 311 is also a
matter of fact. I'd like to know.


Why?

I am not called spotter for
nothing.


Presumably a name you chose for youself.

TfL could have said it was a typo but they didn't. It could
have someone else's typo. Knowing the where 311 was at the time would
resolve the issue.


What issue?



spotter December 29th 05 07:58 PM

Car 346A
 
spotter wrote:
The time when the 48th train carrying passengers went through Kings's
Cross is a matter of fact. The whereabouts of train 311 is also a
matter of fact. I'd like to know.


Brimstone wrote:
Why?


There is not going to be an inquiry, so it's a case of DIY. The more I
look into it the more complex the story of what happened down there
becomes.

spotter wrote:
I am not called spotter for
nothing.


brimstone wrote:
Presumably a name you chose for youself.


My real name is S. P. Otter. I had no choice in the matter.


spotter wrote:
TfL could have said it was a typo but they didn't. It could
have been someone else's typo. Knowing where 311 was at the time would
resolve the issue.


Brimstone wrote:
What issue?


The issue of whether 311 was a typo or a confusion. A confusion might
arise if, say, 311 had pulled up in King's Cross having been slightly
damaged by the blast in the westbound coming through the boltholes. I
am not saying that this happened, only that 311 could have been
peripherally involved in some way if it was in the vicinity.


Brimstone December 29th 05 08:20 PM

Car 346A
 

Brimstone wrote:
What issue?


The issue of whether 311 was a typo or a confusion. A confusion might
arise if, say, 311 had pulled up in King's Cross having been slightly
damaged by the blast in the westbound coming through the boltholes. I
am not saying that this happened, only that 311 could have been
peripherally involved in some way if it was in the vicinity.


Why does it matter ?



spotter December 29th 05 09:01 PM

Car 346A
 
Brimstone said:
Why does it matter ?


I fear, Brimstone, that the Fire of Truth does not burn in your veins.
It matters. It is the big one.


Brimstone December 29th 05 09:25 PM

Car 346A
 

"spotter" wrote in message
ups.com...
Brimstone said:
Why does it matter ?


I fear, Brimstone, that the Fire of Truth does not burn in your veins.
It matters. It is the big one.


The "Fire of Truth" as you so eloquently describe it, does matter to me. I'm
simply having a struggle understanding what you are driving at in this quest
for the car/train numbers concerned.

I'm quite certain that the relevant authorities (LU/police/fire and
ambulance services et al) have all the necessary information to hand. Where
the press is concerned I would accept that there was an explosion, many
people were killed and injured.

The aspect I find less than inspiring with regard to press reports is that
there has been much about the emergency services personnel who attended, but
relatively little about the LU staff who were on the scene long before the
fire, police and ambulance staff arrived.



spotter December 29th 05 09:48 PM

Car 346A
 
Brimstone,
I withdraw my remark. I will work on a post that sets out why the
pettyfogging details on how many cancellations there were is important.
It might take a while but a slowdown in posting rate seems overdue.

I have no criticism of LU staff. Just to pick out one example. A T/Op
on his way to work at Acton Town went in the cab because the train was
so crowded. The driver led some of the passengers off to Russell
Square. The T/Op stayed with the badly injured. No need to say more.


Steve Fitzgerald December 30th 05 12:24 PM

Car 346A
 
In message .com,
spotter writes
Did all 57 run? Could 9 or so have been cancelled?

Could 311 have been turned around short of Uxbridge?


Both could well have happened, although from my recollection before the
incident, 311 would almost certainly have run through as I was also an
Uxbridge train and I don't remember any problems up till then.
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Steve Fitzgerald December 30th 05 12:26 PM

Car 346A
 
In message .com,
spotter writes

What a great article! What were the train numbers before and after the
bombed train?


Nah, I'm getting bored with this game now, and I like to think I have
what is laughingly considered a life!
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Clive D. W. Feather January 3rd 06 05:52 AM

Car 346A
 
In article .com,
spotter writes
This is so odd it can hardly be explained by sloppy journalism. Spot
the deliberate mistakes.


Since the Observer consists of a pile of lying ****s who wouldn't know
truth if it came up and ate them, why are you surprised?

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Clive D. W. Feather January 3rd 06 05:54 AM

Car 346A
 
In article .com,
spotter writes
The issue of whether 311 was a typo or a confusion.


LU said, long ago, that it was a mistake. I don't think they've said
what, but it would be easy enough for someone to mishear or to write
down the wrong duplicated digit.

A confusion might
arise if, say, 311 had pulled up in King's Cross having been slightly
damaged by the blast in the westbound coming through the boltholes.


What boltholes? AFAIK there are no links between the two running tunnels
between Russell Square and the crossover south of KX.

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Adrian January 3rd 06 08:24 AM

Car 346A
 
Clive D. W. Feather ) gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying :

Since the


insert newspaper of preferred dislike

consists of a pile of lying ****s who wouldn't know truth if it came up
and ate them, why are you surprised?



spotter January 4th 06 06:27 AM

Car 346A
 
Hi Clive

I suspect you are right and the Observer article may have been disinfo.
The Observer does a lot of that. It was a great ride though. What I
have learnt is that unless I get hold of genuine working timetables
deductions are unlikely to be reliable.

The Mirror is a bit dodgy also, but on boltholes:

Daily Mirror 11 July 2005
EXCLUSIVE: MY LEG.. WHERE'S MY LEG?
Joe, 19, tells of horror on bombed Tube
By Paul Gallagher

TEENAGER Joe Orr was travelling on the Piccadilly Line on a weekly
college visit when the second bomb ripped his train apart.

Joe, 19, a maintenance engineer from Enfield, Herts, had been sitting
halfway down the first carriage of the Tube as it pulled out of King's
Cross at 8.56am.

Moments later the bomb exploded claiming the lives of up to 41
commuters.

Here is his diary of that horrific day.

7.45am: Leave my house in Enfield at my usual time and drive to Arnos
Grove where I work with Tube Lines.

8.10am: Today is my weekly visit to Newham College in Stratford, East
London, where I'm studying for a diploma - so leave the car at work and
get on the Piccadilly Line to Holborn.

8.15am: Tube arrives. Arnos Grove is one of the first stops on the
Piccadilly so I always get a seat.

8.22am: End up waiting for several minutes at each Tube stop as there
has been a fire alert at Caledonian Road. Our train is packed because
of the delays holding people up.

8.50am: Finally get into King's Cross where the platform is heaving.
Only a few more people can fit into our carriage.

8.56am: Leave King's Cross. We never make it to the next stop.

About 10 seconds after leaving the station the bomb goes off at the end
of the carriage I'm in.

There's a very bright light to my left followed by a huge noise.

The next thing I remember is looking up. All the lights were off.
People were screaming.

I glanced down to see I was alive. Perhaps I was in shock.

I knew my earphones for my iPod had fallen out. When I actually
realised what had happened I didn't know what to do at first.

A panel from the carriage that had been blasted away hit me on the
head, cutting me. I can feel blood on my face.

8.58am: It takes a couple of minutes to realise the full impact of what
has happened. All the windows are blown out.

The panel was right on top me so I grab it and throw it out one of the
broken windows. Look to my right where most people are well enough to
stand up, dust themselves off and try to take in what's happened.

Turn my head and look to my left... there was hardly anyone there. The
bomb must have just wiped most of them out.

The carriage had been ripped apart. There was blood everywhere, and
limbs blown away from bodies.

Nobody travelling on that side of the carriage stood much of a chance
of getting out of there alive.

A few moments later I realised a bloke had fallen on me. I couldn't get
him off. He was out cold. Try to wake him up, gently slapping him to
rouse him, but he won't move.

9.00am: The emergency lights came on. Doing the job I do, I knew the
driver must have got out of the train and connected a cable to a power
supply along the tunnel.

I managed to get out from under the guy who had fallen on me and get to
the nearest double doors on my right. A lady was lying on the floor
close by not moving.

I heard voices saying she was dead. She looked like she was in her 20s.
People were screaming again, louder this time, saying again, "She's
dead, she's dead". Someone else screamed "My leg, where's my leg?"

It is just chaos. Everyone is really scared. I calm down and try to do
something. Start asking people to get out their phones so I could get
some light in the carriage and see what's happening. Pick the woman up
and push her into a seat on the carriage. Persuade a woman next to me
to talk to the bloodied woman to try to make sure she is okay.

9.05am: The driver sets an emergency ladder up which people use to
clamber out of the carriage and start walking towards Russell Square
tube stop - the next one along.

I'm still in the carriage. Turn round again now that we had some light.
I can't believe what I'm seeing. There's a man covered in blood and
soot lying on the floor.

He was looking down his body. I follow his gaze and see his leg is
blown off. Try to help him up on to a seat but he slips and falls,
screaming in agony. I can't take that sound any more. There is so much
screaming. I shout for people to calm down but it's too much. I get off
the train.

9.08am: Look up and see another lady being helped off the train through
a window. Her foot is missing. She looks back at me and simply says "My
foot's missing".

I reply "oh yeah" and walk off. It seemed a natural reaction at the
time. One woman has been blown through the glass panel you have either
side of the double doors on the Tube. She mumbles something and someone
comes to help her up.

There's thick smoke in the tunnel and the smell is horrendous, really
disgusting. I don't want to taste it or smell it, but you have to.

Walk to the driver's cabin and put the emergency phone to my ear but
there's nothing. I can't speak to anyone.

9.13am: Run down the tunnel at breakneck speed and find a bolt hole to
climb through to the eastbound tunnel. Connect the driver's emergency
phone to a cable in the wall.

Then all the lights in the tunnel suddenly come on. I hear the phone
connect when I try it again so think someone must have picked up the
other end. Shout "hello" but there's still no one there.

9.16am: Run back to the train to tell the driver I can't get anyone on
the phone so ask him what he wants me to do. I turn again, noticing the
guy with the missing leg has somehow managed to prop himself up, drag
himself along the carriage and clamber halfway down the ladder.

I grab him but can't support him. Sit him down again and start running
towards Russell Square down the left hand side of the track to try to
get help. I look at the 100metre measurements along the track to see
how far it is to Russell Square - about 380 metres.

9.19am: Get to Russell Square and ring my girlfriend Katie to let her
know I'm okay and tell her about the bomb. Just as I arrived the first
people from our Tube who had left the end of the train had got to the
station - they had gone down the right hand side.

9.23am: Want people to come back with me to help the people in my
carriage, but am told to get out of there and up to the ticket office
up the lifts at Russell Square.

[www.mirror.co.uk]

He says he got through one to the eastbound.

On 311. This is now officially a non-train and its driver Tom Nairn is
officially a non-person:

Not wishing to denigrate any of the actions of police on the day, not
ONE WORD has been said about the driver of Train 311, Tom Nairn. I
joined Tom's train at Kings Cross,travelling in the cab with him on my
way to work as a fellow driver, based at Acton Town. I took the first
couple of batches of walking wounded to Russell Square and was probably
the first member of staff to meet any collegue at the station. Tom
stayed behind in the first car, doing what we as drivers are paid to
do, looking after his train and his passengers on it. He helped some by
applying tourniques and reassurring others. He saw things that even
trained police officers found themselves unable to cope with, but most
importantly had to face it on his own before help arrived probably 40
minutes later, a scene of utter devastation in almost total darkness.
He has never been mentioned or praised, he has remained dignified and
quiet, and has never returned to drive a train. Recently he applied for
some compensation through his union. The response from the Met Police
was "We have no knowledge of this person having been involved in this
incident and therefore will not be processing his claim further."
Rather odd because Tom and I were interviewed by police for around
three hours after the incident. The press coverage of the other
'heroes' has left him feeling completely empty and devalued. Pity when
the the reaction of Police and certain members of station staff are
lauded he has been completely forgotten.

Ray Wright
Train Operator
Acton Town Depot
http://www.rachelnorthlondon.blogspot.com/

Scroll down to "Hero of the Year now an M.B.E" and look at the
comments. Be quick. Rachel is a whizz with the delete button.


spotter January 5th 06 05:07 AM

Car 346A
 
According to the official story Lindsey Germaine blew up train 331. I
do not know the name of the driver of 331. The train Tom Nairn was
driving, according to Ray Wright, was 311. Drivers tend to know the
service numbers of the trains they are driving. Are they used as a
radio call sign?

What was the name of the suicide bomber who blew up 311?

Fifth suicide bomber urgently required. Please apply within.

Tom Nairn should get his compo.


Clive D. W. Feather January 6th 06 02:12 PM

Car 346A
 
In article .com,
spotter writes
Drivers tend to know the
service numbers of the trains they are driving. Are they used as a
radio call sign?


Yes, they are.

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