A railway should know where its trains are.

spotter wrote:
A railway should know where its trains are.

You seem to be confusing what happened and what was reported.

spotter wrote:
Not just the media.

Please quote enough of the previous post to provide a context for
remarks such as "Not just ... ". We don't all use Google Groups.

TfL issued a press released on 7/7 saying the
Piccadilly Line train was 311. I wrote to TfL asking if it was a
typo, 311 for 331. They replied saying that it was due to incorrect
information received and that they had corrected their records when
advised.

On 7/7 Transport for London were saying:


snip

Yeah, yeah, so TfL's press office (as well as the media) got some
details wrong in the aftermath of a very complex set of incidents. So
what?

The question arises: was 311 in the vicinity, eastbound

Who cares? If 311 was a typo for 331, it's completely irrelevant where
311 was.

Just to recap the Blue Watch article:
[snip]
This is so odd it can hardly be explained by sloppy journalism. Spot
the deliberate mistakes.

In my experience, sloppy journalism is endemic. Stop dreaming up
conspiracy theories.

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Richard J. wrote: In my experience, sloppy journalism is endemic. Stop
dreaming up
conspiracy theories.

Agreed there is plenty of sloppy journalism, but this piece was
carefully crafted.

I have not put forward any theory, conspiracy or otherwise.

The time when the 48th train carrying passengers went through Kings's
Cross is a matter of fact. The whereabouts of train 311 is also a
matter of fact. I'd like to know. I am not called spotter for
nothing. TfL could have said it was a typo but they didn't. It could
have someone else's typo. Knowing the where 311 was at the time would
resolve the issue.

spotter wrote:
Richard J. wrote: In my experience, sloppy journalism is endemic. Stop
dreaming up
conspiracy theories.

Agreed there is plenty of sloppy journalism, but this piece was
carefully crafted.

I have not put forward any theory, conspiracy or otherwise.

The time when the 48th train carrying passengers went through Kings's
Cross is a matter of fact. The whereabouts of train 311 is also a
matter of fact. I'd like to know.

Why?

I am not called spotter for
nothing.

Presumably a name you chose for youself.

TfL could have said it was a typo but they didn't. It could
have someone else's typo. Knowing the where 311 was at the time would
resolve the issue.

What issue?

spotter wrote:
The time when the 48th train carrying passengers went through Kings's
Cross is a matter of fact. The whereabouts of train 311 is also a
matter of fact. I'd like to know.

Brimstone wrote:
Why?

There is not going to be an inquiry, so it's a case of DIY. The more I
look into it the more complex the story of what happened down there
becomes.

spotter wrote:
I am not called spotter for
nothing.

brimstone wrote:
Presumably a name you chose for youself.

My real name is S. P. Otter. I had no choice in the matter.


spotter wrote:
TfL could have said it was a typo but they didn't. It could
have been someone else's typo. Knowing where 311 was at the time would
resolve the issue.

Brimstone wrote:
What issue?

The issue of whether 311 was a typo or a confusion. A confusion might
arise if, say, 311 had pulled up in King's Cross having been slightly
damaged by the blast in the westbound coming through the boltholes. I
am not saying that this happened, only that 311 could have been
peripherally involved in some way if it was in the vicinity.

Brimstone wrote:
What issue?

The issue of whether 311 was a typo or a confusion. A confusion might
arise if, say, 311 had pulled up in King's Cross having been slightly
damaged by the blast in the westbound coming through the boltholes. I
am not saying that this happened, only that 311 could have been
peripherally involved in some way if it was in the vicinity.


Why does it matter ?

Brimstone said:
Why does it matter ?

I fear, Brimstone, that the Fire of Truth does not burn in your veins.
It matters. It is the big one.

"spotter" wrote in message
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Brimstone said:
Why does it matter ?

I fear, Brimstone, that the Fire of Truth does not burn in your veins.
It matters. It is the big one.


The "Fire of Truth" as you so eloquently describe it, does matter to me. I'm
simply having a struggle understanding what you are driving at in this quest
for the car/train numbers concerned.

I'm quite certain that the relevant authorities (LU/police/fire and
ambulance services et al) have all the necessary information to hand. Where
the press is concerned I would accept that there was an explosion, many
people were killed and injured.

The aspect I find less than inspiring with regard to press reports is that
there has been much about the emergency services personnel who attended, but
relatively little about the LU staff who were on the scene long before the
fire, police and ambulance staff arrived.

Brimstone,
I withdraw my remark. I will work on a post that sets out why the
pettyfogging details on how many cancellations there were is important.
It might take a while but a slowdown in posting rate seems overdue.

I have no criticism of LU staff. Just to pick out one example. A T/Op
on his way to work at Acton Town went in the cab because the train was
so crowded. The driver led some of the passengers off to Russell
Square. The T/Op stayed with the badly injured. No need to say more.