One Day Travelcards on Oyster?
 

What's the reason these aren't available? Points for PR reason(s) and
real reason(s), since oystercard.com doesn't even deign to give me one
of the former. Since the system works for 7 day travelcards I bet the
real reason isn't a technical one. 3 dayers don't work either - I
suppose because these descended from the weekend travelcard, which is
more like a odtc than a season ticket.

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One Day Travelcards on Oyster?
 

On Sat, 30 Dec 2005, Larry Lard wrote:

What's the reason these aren't available? Points for PR reason(s) and
real reason(s), since oystercard.com doesn't even deign to give me one
of the former.

Could it be that since we've got capping, we don't really need 1DTCs?

Since the system works for 7 day travelcards I bet the real reason isn't
a technical one.

Makes sense.

tom

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One Day Travelcards on Oyster?
 

Tom Anderson wrote in
h.li:

On Sat, 30 Dec 2005, Larry Lard wrote:

What's the reason these aren't available? Points for PR reason(s) and
real reason(s), since oystercard.com doesn't even deign to give me
one of the former.

Could it be that since we've got capping, we don't really need 1DTCs?

Not totally true - prepay doesnt work on National Rail which is the main
reason I buy 1 day travelcards.

One Day Travelcards on Oyster?
 

Since the system works for 7 day travelcards I bet the
real reason isn't a technical one.

TfL wants us to buy our tickets online or by telephone and for us
to do it in fewer transactions. i.e. by holding a pay as you go balance.

Selling one day travelcards on Oyster would involve more transactions
than using prepay+capping. Also tickets cannot be purchased online
for same-day use (you have to do it the day before). Assuming most
people would continue to buy travelcards on day of use, they would
have to buy them at the station and the TfL business plan (and use of
technology) is about getting sales out of stations.

One Day Travelcards on Oyster?
 

In message , TKD
writes

Assuming most people would continue to buy travelcards on day of use,
they would have to buy them at the station and the TfL business plan
(and use of technology) is about getting sales out of stations.

Quite a few of us buy our one-day travelcards in the newsagents next to
the bus stop.

--
Paul Terry

One Day Travelcards on Oyster?
 

On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, Andrew Black (delete obvious bit) wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote in
h.li:

On Sat, 30 Dec 2005, Larry Lard wrote:

What's the reason these aren't available? Points for PR reason(s) and
real reason(s), since oystercard.com doesn't even deign to give me
one of the former.

Could it be that since we've got capping, we don't really need 1DTCs?

Not totally true - prepay doesnt work on National Rail which is the main
reason I buy 1 day travelcards.

I know - and capping also loses in the crucial midnight-to-0430 window,
too, and there are probably other issues which don't leap immediately to
mind. That's why i qualified 'need' with 'really' - these aren't huge
issues, although i admit that the NR issue is pretty big.

tom

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One Day Travelcards on Oyster?
 

Assuming most people would continue to buy travelcards on day of use, they would have to buy them
at the station and the TfL business plan (and use of technology) is about getting sales out of
stations.

Quite a few of us buy our one-day travelcards in the newsagents next to the bus stop.

I doubt they would make it a "from newsagents only" product.

One Day Travelcards on Oyster?
 

On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:44:47 +0000, Tom Anderson
wrote:


I know - and capping also loses in the crucial midnight-to-0430 window,
too, and there are probably other issues which don't leap immediately to
mind. That's why i qualified 'need' with 'really' - these aren't huge
issues, although i admit that the NR issue is pretty big.

Capping is supposed to work from 0430 to 0430. Also, with the new
fares, you get a 50p discount if you choose to sacrifice National
Rail, although that could be argued to undermine the integrated manner
of the One Day Travelcard.

One Day Travelcards on Oyster?
 

I know - and capping also loses in the crucial midnight-to-0430 window,
too, and there are probably other issues which don't leap immediately to
mind. That's why i qualified 'need' with 'really' - these aren't huge
issues, although i admit that the NR issue is pretty big.

Capping is supposed to work from 0430 to 0430. Also, with the new
fares, you get a 50p discount if you choose to sacrifice National
Rail, although that could be argued to undermine the integrated manner
of the One Day Travelcard.

Yes it does. In fact on the statement you get from Oyster detailing all
transactions for the last 3 months 1am is 25:00 and 2.15am is 26:15.
i.e. part of the previous day.

One Day Travelcards on Oyster?
 

On Sun, 1 Jan 2006, TKD wrote:

I know - and capping also loses in the crucial midnight-to-0430
window, too, and there are probably other issues which don't leap
immediately to mind. That's why i qualified 'need' with 'really' -
these aren't huge issues, although i admit that the NR issue is pretty
big.

Capping is supposed to work from 0430 to 0430.

Yes it does. In fact on the statement you get from Oyster detailing all
transactions for the last 3 months 1am is 25:00 and 2.15am is 26:15.
i.e. part of the previous day.

Ah, sorry, my mistake.

Also, with the new fares, you get a 50p discount if you choose to
sacrifice National Rail, although that could be argued to undermine the
integrated manner of the One Day Travelcard.

Hmm. It's really that you get a 50p discount if you get your 1DTC through
Oyster pre-pay capping rather than on paper, with the sacrifice of NR
being a consequence of NR not supporting pre-pay, but it comes to much the
same thing. I don't think i buy the argument that this undermines
integration - everything that worked before works now, it's just that some
lucky punters (those sensible enough to live north of the river, mostly!)
will get a 50p bonus.

tom

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truth. -- Friedrich Kekule

One Day Travelcards on Oyster?
 

On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:55:50 +0000, Tom Anderson
wrote:

What's the reason these aren't available? Points for PR reason(s) and
real reason(s), since oystercard.com doesn't even deign to give me one
of the former.

Could it be that since we've got capping, we don't really need 1DTCs?

Don't forget the National Rail stations that are included in a ODTC
but don't take pre-pay Oyster.

One Day Travelcards on Oyster?
 

On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:44:47 +0000, Tom Anderson
wrote:

I know - and capping also loses in the crucial midnight-to-0430 window,

Eh?

One Day Travelcards on Oyster?
 

In message , TKD
writes

Assuming most people would continue to buy travelcards on day of use,
they would have to buy them at the station and the TfL business plan
(and use of technology) is about getting sales out of stations.

Quite a few of us buy our one-day travelcards in the newsagents next
to the bus stop.

I doubt they would make it a "from newsagents only" product.

I'm sure they wouldn't, but I don't understand your point.

I was responding to your statement that most people would have to buy
ODTCs at the station. Huge numbers of ODTCs are sold (either on the day
or in advance) from newsagents - the station is not the only option.

--
Paul Terry

One Day Travelcards on Oyster?
 

In ,
Laurence Payne typed:

On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:55:50 +0000, Tom Anderson
wrote:

What's the reason these aren't available? Points for PR reason(s)
and real reason(s), since oystercard.com doesn't even deign to give
me one of the former.

Could it be that since we've got capping, we don't really need 1DTCs?

Don't forget the National Rail stations that are included in a ODTC
but don't take pre-pay Oyster.

But if an Oyster was carrying a ODTC it wouldn't be a Pre-Pay Oyster.



--
Bob

One Day Travelcards on Oyster?
 

JRS: In article , dated Sun, 1
Jan 2006 11:40:39 local, seen in news:uk.transport.london, TKD
posted :

Yes it does. In fact on the statement you get from Oyster detailing all
transactions for the last 3 months 1am is 25:00 and 2.15am is 26:15.
i.e. part of the previous day.


So you're saying that Oyster take the day as being 04:30 to 28:29+ ?

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One Day Travelcards on Oyster?
 

On Mon, 2 Jan 2006, Dr John Stockton wrote:

JRS: In article , dated Sun, 1
Jan 2006 11:40:39 local, seen in news:uk.transport.london, TKD
posted :

Yes it does. In fact on the statement you get from Oyster detailing all
transactions for the last 3 months 1am is 25:00 and 2.15am is 26:15.
i.e. part of the previous day.


So you're saying that Oyster take the day as being 04:30 to 28:29+ ?

For it to correctly capture the 1DTC behaviour, it would have to take it
as being 0000 to 2830 - with the last four and a half hours also being in
the next day (how does that work? nobody knows!). I believe it does act
like a real 1DTC, and therefore this is what it does. I don't really have
any evidence for this, though.

tom

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