Owing to the fact that Z1-6 travelcard holders will be able to use the
Heathrow Express tomorrow, at no extra cost, I have decided to take a
trip on this service.
I read in the media earlier in the week, that trials of a scanner
system, similar to the system used in scairports started this week, with
people randomly selected to be scanned.
If I happen to be the "unlucky" one, can I request that I am not
scanned, or can they deny me the right to travel?

Thanks
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Owing to the fact that Z1-6 travelcard holders will be able to use the
Heathrow Express tomorrow, at no extra cost, I have decided to take a trip
on this service.
I read in the media earlier in the week, that trials of a scanner system,
similar to the system used in scairports started this week, with people
randomly selected to be scanned.
If I happen to be the "unlucky" one, can I request that I am not scanned,
or can they deny me the right to travel?

Thanks
Yesterday (12th) people passing along the platform were invited to take part
in trials, there was no problem refusing, and the invites were few and far
between- although a 'sniffer ' spaniel sat strategically placed between gaps
in BTP, well within sniffing distance.

But, why would you want to object if you have nothing to hide?


"Joe Patrick" wrote in message
.uk...
Owing to the fact that Z1-6 travelcard holders will be able to use the
Heathrow Express tomorrow, at no extra cost, I have decided to take a
trip on this service.
I read in the media earlier in the week, that trials of a scanner
system, similar to the system used in scairports started this week, with
people randomly selected to be scanned.
If I happen to be the "unlucky" one, can I request that I am not
scanned, or can they deny me the right to travel?

Thanks

"Steve" wrote in message
...
But, why would you want to object if you have nothing to hide?


"Joe Patrick" wrote in message
.uk...
Owing to the fact that Z1-6 travelcard holders will be able to use the
Heathrow Express tomorrow, at no extra cost, I have decided to take a
trip on this service.
I read in the media earlier in the week, that trials of a scanner
system, similar to the system used in scairports started this week, with
people randomly selected to be scanned.
If I happen to be the "unlucky" one, can I request that I am not
scanned, or can they deny me the right to travel?

Thanks

Because he has nothing more important in his life to complaining and jump
and down about.

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:14:40 -0000, Steve wrote in
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"Joe Patrick" wrote in message
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Owing to the fact that Z1-6 travelcard holders will be able to use the
Heathrow Express tomorrow, at no extra cost, I have decided to take a
trip on this service.
I read in the media earlier in the week, that trials of a scanner
system, similar to the system used in scairports started this week, with
people randomly selected to be scanned.
If I happen to be the "unlucky" one, can I request that I am not
scanned, or can they deny me the right to travel?

But, why would you want to object if you have nothing to hide?

I'd object on principle.

The principle being that I want to see real security improvements on
the railway I work on, rather than highly visible "playing at
security" games. [1]

The Paddington scanner is an example of Being Seen To Do Something
whilst not actually doing anything worth speaking of, and I want
nothing to do with that sort of official stupidity.


[1] The money being wasted on the Paddington scheme could usefully pay
for a number of BT Police officers for Cornwall [2], where ISTR there
is only 1 (yes, one) officer allocated full-time. That would be a
*real* improvement, IMO.
[2] I don't work in Cornwall, so I'm not demanding benefits for "my"
part of the railway at the expense of other areas.
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"Ross" wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:14:40 -0000, Steve wrote in
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"Joe Patrick" wrote in message
.uk...

Owing to the fact that Z1-6 travelcard holders will be able to use the
Heathrow Express tomorrow, at no extra cost, I have decided to take a
trip on this service.
I read in the media earlier in the week, that trials of a scanner
system, similar to the system used in scairports started this week,
with
people randomly selected to be scanned.
If I happen to be the "unlucky" one, can I request that I am not
scanned, or can they deny me the right to travel?

But, why would you want to object if you have nothing to hide?

I'd object on principle.

The principle being that I want to see real security improvements on
the railway I work on, rather than highly visible "playing at
security" games. [1]

The Paddington scanner is an example of Being Seen To Do Something
whilst not actually doing anything worth speaking of, and I want
nothing to do with that sort of official stupidity.


[1] The money being wasted on the Paddington scheme could usefully pay
for a number of BT Police officers for Cornwall [2], where ISTR there
is only 1 (yes, one) officer allocated full-time. That would be a
*real* improvement, IMO.
[2] I don't work in Cornwall, so I'm not demanding benefits for "my"
part of the railway at the expense of other areas.
--
Ross, in Lincoln, being cynical or sarcastic, as ever.
Reply-to will bounce. Replace the junk-trap with my name to e-mail me.

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How typical Ross , typical U.K attitude to pretty much everything......IMHO
, from a fellow U.K citizen

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:13:29 GMT, "Just Wondering" Best place 2 put
it @stinkingfinger.com wrote in
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"Ross" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:14:40 -0000, Steve wrote in
, seen in uk.railway:
"Joe Patrick" wrote in message
.uk...

Owing to the fact that Z1-6 travelcard holders will be able to use the
Heathrow Express tomorrow, at no extra cost, I have decided to take a
trip on this service.
I read in the media earlier in the week, that trials of a scanner
system, similar to the system used in scairports started this week,
with people randomly selected to be scanned.
If I happen to be the "unlucky" one, can I request that I am not
scanned, or can they deny me the right to travel?

But, why would you want to object if you have nothing to hide?

I'd object on principle.

The principle being that I want to see real security improvements on
the railway I work on, rather than highly visible "playing at
security" games. [1]

The Paddington scanner is an example of Being Seen To Do Something
whilst not actually doing anything worth speaking of, and I want
nothing to do with that sort of official stupidity.


[1] The money being wasted on the Paddington scheme could usefully pay
for a number of BT Police officers for Cornwall [2], where ISTR there
is only 1 (yes, one) officer allocated full-time. That would be a
*real* improvement, IMO.
[2] I don't work in Cornwall, so I'm not demanding benefits for "my"
part of the railway at the expense of other areas.
[...]
How typical Ross , typical U.K attitude to pretty much everything......IMHO
, from a fellow U.K citizen

So what "typical UK attitude" is that, then?

I'm not really sure which bit of my post you're referring to, given
that you've quoted all of it rather than simply the bit you're
commenting on.
--
Ross, in Lincoln, being cynical or sarcastic, as ever.
Reply-to will bounce. Replace the junk-trap with my name to e-mail me.

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The Paddington scanner is an example of Being Seen To Do Something
whilst not actually doing anything worth speaking of, and I want
nothing to do with that sort of official stupidity.

Sure is... Access to the same platforms via the bridge area was entirely
un-monitored- not even a 'security ' bod showing a presence, but seven BTP
+dog standing around near the 'scanner'.
The invite to a passing body I witnessed was along the lines of 'would you
like to help us', and could have been an invite to sample a glass of wine..
Lets face it , if every entrance had one of those thingies and it became
obligatory to pass thru, then if a terrorist really want access , he would
catch a train at Acton Mailnline or somewhere- or an underground
station....that's without even considering the merits of whether terrorists
see this as a potential target.

"Ross" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:13:29 GMT, "Just Wondering" Best place 2 put
it @stinkingfinger.com wrote in
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"Ross" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:14:40 -0000, Steve wrote in
, seen in uk.railway:
"Joe Patrick" wrote in message
.uk...

Owing to the fact that Z1-6 travelcard holders will be able to use
the
Heathrow Express tomorrow, at no extra cost, I have decided to take
a
trip on this service.
I read in the media earlier in the week, that trials of a scanner
system, similar to the system used in scairports started this week,
with people randomly selected to be scanned.
If I happen to be the "unlucky" one, can I request that I am not
scanned, or can they deny me the right to travel?

But, why would you want to object if you have nothing to hide?

I'd object on principle.

The principle being that I want to see real security improvements on
the railway I work on, rather than highly visible "playing at
security" games. [1]

The Paddington scanner is an example of Being Seen To Do Something
whilst not actually doing anything worth speaking of, and I want
nothing to do with that sort of official stupidity.


[1] The money being wasted on the Paddington scheme could usefully pay
for a number of BT Police officers for Cornwall [2], where ISTR there
is only 1 (yes, one) officer allocated full-time. That would be a
*real* improvement, IMO.
[2] I don't work in Cornwall, so I'm not demanding benefits for "my"
part of the railway at the expense of other areas.
[...]
How typical Ross , typical U.K attitude to pretty much
everything......IMHO
, from a fellow U.K citizen

So what "typical UK attitude" is that, then?

I'm not really sure which bit of my post you're referring to, given
that you've quoted all of it rather than simply the bit you're
commenting on.
--
Ross, in Lincoln, being cynical or sarcastic, as ever.
Reply-to will bounce. Replace the junk-trap with my name to e-mail me.

Demonstration of poor photography at http://ross.photobook.org.uk
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If they had done nothing , you would complain , know they have done
something you complain , how typical.

I guesss you'll be the poor fellow the police will be dragging away and
scaring members of the public , due to your unwillness to cooperate and help
make the station a safer place , Ross the Rebel.

Your a real Man., in fact your the sort of man that complains about his tax
bills , but would be willing to waster tax payers money by not just doing
your bit .Tut Tut.

Steve wrote:
But, why would you want to object if you have nothing to hide?

I'm not usually the person to say things about things like this. I'm all
for ID cards and the like, but the fact remains that train travel should
always remain an "open" thing, not to mention the embarassment of being
the one chosen amongst a group of friends.

IMO, if this was rolled out full time, surely it would pose a greater
safety risk, whereas before, everyone was dispersed around the station
and trains, HEx travellers will be more concentrated.
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