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More HEX Shenanigans - ripoff Britain?
"John Rowland" wrote in message
... "Ian F." wrote in message ... "d" wrote in message . .. I think you've completely misunderstood what tfl and HEX were doing that day. No wonder the ticket agents laughed at you :) it's very funny. He's just so typical of anyone who loves to yell 'rip-off' at every possible opportunity. He's right! HEX is not a philanthropic society - it's there to make money for its shareholders and to pay its staff. HEx were presumably paid for all of the passengers who would use travelcards on that day, but then chose to lie to passengers in order to get more money from them. Business is business Obtaining money by deception is not called "business", it's called "fraud". They weren't deceiving anyone. The use of travelcards was permitted on the service - travelcards didn't replace the HEX tickets. I don't see why people are complaining they were allowed to travel on an fast, expensive train for the cost of an underground ticket. No-one was ripped off, no-one was defrauded. Some people just got a really good value ticket, while others paid the correct fare. No-one was charged over the fare - I don't get what the problem is. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
More HEX Shenanigans - ripoff Britain?
"d" wrote in message
. .. I don't see why people are complaining they were allowed to travel on an fast, expensive train for the cost of an underground ticket. No-one was ripped off, no-one was defrauded. Some people just got a really good value ticket, while others paid the correct fare. No-one was charged over the fare - I don't get what the problem is. You'll never get them to understand. Some people think businesses exist solely to do them favours. I'd like to see how *they'd* run a business! ;-) Ian |
More HEX Shenanigans - ripoff Britain?
"d" wrote in message
. .. "John Rowland" wrote in message ... "Ian F." wrote in message ... "d" wrote in message . .. I think you've completely misunderstood what tfl and HEX were doing that day. No wonder the ticket agents laughed at you :) it's very funny. He's just so typical of anyone who loves to yell 'rip-off' at every possible opportunity. He's right! HEX is not a philanthropic society - it's there to make money for its shareholders and to pay its staff. HEx were presumably paid for all of the passengers who would use travelcards on that day, but then chose to lie to passengers in order to get more money from them. Business is business Obtaining money by deception is not called "business", it's called "fraud". They weren't deceiving anyone. The use of travelcards was permitted on the service - travelcards didn't replace the HEX tickets. I don't see why people are complaining they were allowed to travel on an fast, expensive train for the cost of an underground ticket. No-one was ripped off, no-one was defrauded. Some people just got a really good value ticket, while others paid the correct fare. No-one was charged over the fare - I don't get what the problem is. Can't you? The first choice cheaper route was closed. so there was no alternative. All these rail services are operated with a subsidy from the tax payer, so they should be a public service. Public services should be operated in the interests of the public. Having private companies run a service without competition is a farce. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
More HEX Shenanigans - ripoff Britain?
"John Band" wrote in message
oups.com... CJB wrote: snip Then we saw a HEX train arriving at Paddington and it was unsurprisingly full. We wondered how many tourists, visitors to rip-off Britain, had also been conned into paying for full fare tickets into London? Probably most of them. /snip Good. They don't contribute to TfL from their taxes, so why should they benefit from a subsidy programme designed to reduce the financial expense to Londoners of the Picc closure? What a load of tosh. Tourists may not pay income tax, but they will be paying VAT on everything they consume whilst in the UK, and they are also one of the main forms of inward trade in the UK, so everything should be done to treat them well. -- John Band e: john at johnband dot org w: www.johnband.org |
More HEX Shenanigans - ripoff Britain?
Mikael Armstrong wrote:
"d" wrote in message . .. "John Rowland" wrote in message ... "Ian F." wrote in message ... "d" wrote in message . .. I think you've completely misunderstood what tfl and HEX were doing that day. No wonder the ticket agents laughed at you :) it's very funny. He's just so typical of anyone who loves to yell 'rip-off' at every possible opportunity. He's right! HEX is not a philanthropic society - it's there to make money for its shareholders and to pay its staff. HEx were presumably paid for all of the passengers who would use travelcards on that day, but then chose to lie to passengers in order to get more money from them. Business is business Obtaining money by deception is not called "business", it's called "fraud". They weren't deceiving anyone. The use of travelcards was permitted on the service - travelcards didn't replace the HEX tickets. I don't see why people are complaining they were allowed to travel on an fast, expensive train for the cost of an underground ticket. No-one was ripped off, no-one was defrauded. Some people just got a really good value ticket, while others paid the correct fare. No-one was charged over the fare - I don't get what the problem is. Can't you? The first choice cheaper route was closed. so there was no alternative. All these rail services are operated with a subsidy from the tax payer, so they should be a public service. Public services should be operated in the interests of the public. Having private companies run a service without competition is a farce. Actually, I don't think HEx receives any subsidy from the tax payer - its construction and running costs were/are entirely funded by BAA, as it's an "open access" operator. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
More HEX Shenanigans - ripoff Britain?
d wrote:
I don't see why people are complaining they were allowed to travel on an fast, expensive train for the cost of an underground ticket. They aren't. They are complaining that the information that may have enabled people to do so was not available at all ticket outlets. No-one was ripped off, no-one was defrauded. Some people just got a really good value ticket, while others paid the correct fare. No-one was charged over the fare - I don't get what the problem is. There *may have been* some people charged over the correct fare. They would have been the people who had intended to travel by Tube, turned up at the Tube, found it closed, and went to HEx where they paid the full HEx fare without being told that there was a cheaper fare available. Having arrived at Paddington, they may even have bought a ODTC to continue their journey, thus being overcharged by the entire amount of the (unnecessary in their circumstances) HEx ticket. -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p14104763.html (37 689, 37 668, 37 712 and 37 710 at Warrington Arpley, 21 Apr 2005) |
More HEX Shenanigans - ripoff Britain?
"Mikael Armstrong" wrote in message ... "d" wrote in message . .. "John Rowland" wrote in message ... "Ian F." wrote in message ... "d" wrote in message . .. I think you've completely misunderstood what tfl and HEX were doing that day. No wonder the ticket agents laughed at you :) it's very funny. He's just so typical of anyone who loves to yell 'rip-off' at every possible opportunity. He's right! HEX is not a philanthropic society - it's there to make money for its shareholders and to pay its staff. HEx were presumably paid for all of the passengers who would use travelcards on that day, but then chose to lie to passengers in order to get more money from them. Business is business Obtaining money by deception is not called "business", it's called "fraud". They weren't deceiving anyone. The use of travelcards was permitted on the service - travelcards didn't replace the HEX tickets. I don't see why people are complaining they were allowed to travel on an fast, expensive train for the cost of an underground ticket. No-one was ripped off, no-one was defrauded. Some people just got a really good value ticket, while others paid the correct fare. No-one was charged over the fare - I don't get what the problem is. Can't you? The first choice cheaper route was closed. so there was no alternative. All these rail services are operated with a subsidy from the tax payer, so they should be a public service. Public services should be operated in the interests of the public. Having private companies run a service without competition is a farce. Really? How much subsidy did/do HEX receive? |
More HEX Shenanigans - ripoff Britain?
"Chris Tolley" wrote in message
... d wrote: I don't see why people are complaining they were allowed to travel on an fast, expensive train for the cost of an underground ticket. They aren't. They are complaining that the information that may have enabled people to do so was not available at all ticket outlets. No-one was ripped off, no-one was defrauded. Some people just got a really good value ticket, while others paid the correct fare. No-one was charged over the fare - I don't get what the problem is. There *may have been* some people charged over the correct fare. They would have been the people who had intended to travel by Tube, turned up at the Tube, found it closed, and went to HEx where they paid the full HEx fare without being told that there was a cheaper fare available. Having arrived at Paddington, they may even have bought a ODTC to continue their journey, thus being overcharged by the entire amount of the (unnecessary in their circumstances) HEx ticket. And they can fill in a compensation form, submit it to TfL, and wait for some money to be sent to them :) -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p14104763.html (37 689, 37 668, 37 712 and 37 710 at Warrington Arpley, 21 Apr 2005) |
More HEX Shenanigans - ripoff Britain?
Chris Tolley wrote:
No-one was ripped off, no-one was defrauded. Some people just got a really good value ticket, while others paid the correct fare. No-one was charged over the fare - I don't get what the problem is. There *may have been* some people charged over the correct fare. They would have been the people who had intended to travel by Tube, turned up at the Tube, found it closed, and went to HEx where they paid the full HEx fare without being told that there was a cheaper fare available. People who had intended to travel by Tube would have found the Tube station *open* (for the service to Acton Town), but there would have been lots of staff at the entrance to advise those who wanted to go to central London that if they bought a Travelcard from LU, it would be valid on HEx. At least, that's what happened last year. I wasn't there this time, and it seems you weren't either. If you want BAA to offer the concession to their passengers as well, who do you propose should foot the bill and why? -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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